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12/1/2015  7:12 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Pass. If Phil wanted to take a long shot on a short shoot first pg then Knicks could have picked up Bryce Cotton who is younger, quicker, athletic and diversified than Jimmer. I actually wish Fredette would be on another NBDL team because he offers little help to development of others besides being an attraction

I'll go further and say that he will hurt the development of guys like Trice and Saunders, who I have much more of a rooting interest in because they were with us in pre-season.

You have to think that his value to the Westchester team is tied more to local fan support than it is to him being a player the Knicks hope to "develop."

We will see.

I think I agree. I only saw 10 minutes of yesterdays game but he definitely dominates the ball. Also, there was some speculation that the drafting of Jimmer was to fill seats because he is a local kid.
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12/1/2015  7:44 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:
mreinman wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:The fact that he's 20 years younger than Hose-A is an automatic upgrade. Probably shoots the same from 3 too.

I'd have to say I want Jose gone just as much or more then most... Jose would be a nice back up putting up the numbers he has of late... Jimmer has always been able to score.. He probably is a upgrade over Jose just based on age and overall talent... But on the d league Knicks he has what he's been waiting for since he's been in this league... He's finally The number one option jimmer is going to tear up the d league... It's weird it had to come to the d league for jimmer to finally get the ball..

This kid has supreme skill but in the NBA sac town wanted him to be a spot up shooter 4th option. Three point specialists. Jimmer is a scorer who needs the ball in his hands to be effective... It's like telling Steph curry we don't want you to bring the ball up and set up the offense, curry like other pg's with supior scoring ability need the ball in there hands to be effective...

Jimmer is no different ... Let's bring this kid along and get his confidence up to where it should be... This kid can do it all, pass,shoot,score,get to the line,and the hoop.. The kid got funked being drafted by arguably the worst franchise in NBA history. And sac town like most, like to stereotype they thought little white boy must play Kerr Paxton role, when he is nothing like Paxton or Kerr...

Jimmer is a ball dominate pg just like curry can do it all, he just never got his chance to be the number one guy or just a pg who has the ball in his hands...

I see jimmer having a huge impact on the Knicks in the future if given a chance to be who he was always supposed to be, the man with the ball in his hands to make himself better as well as all of his teammates

wow wow wow! Jimmer over steph perhaps?

No lol one can hope! But he plays the same style and I think has been waiting the whole time to get the ball and be a ball dominate guard. Something he was great at,at byu .. I wouldn't be surprised if the dleague boosts his confidance to become the player he was supposed to be... Imagine if he was drafted by the Warriors like Steph curry and was given the rains to run wild from day one like curry.. I think If that were the case in jimmer's career I think he would not be playing on the d league.. He might be a star in the making.. And the Knicks might have struck gold again in the d league

how are your boys doing? Ya know ... jeremy tyler and lil timmy?

Again how can jimmer be justified as mediocre or bust, when teams have just asked him to be a spot up shooter when that is clearly what he is not. It's like if the Warriors asked Steph curry to be just a spot shooter when that's clearly what he is not....

Jimmer got screwed because he got drafted by the worst franchise in NBA history. Who said we want you to be like a Steve Kerr or a Jim Paxton... When Jimmer is way way way more talented of a scorer then ether Kerr or Paxton could dream about... Always thought jimmer was missed used in the NBA. He's a pure scorer not just from the three point line, he can get to the hoop at will and get to the free throw line.. People forget at byu the kid had crazy handle, and could score from anywhere on the court...

That's why I said could you imagine if sac town just gave this kid the ball from day one like Steph got in golden state... I think jimmer would still be in sac town and we would be dreaming of this kid on our squad.

Just wait this is just the beginning of jimmer destroying the dleague and guys like Lorenzo Brown and Ebanks he blew right by...

Jimmer will be on the Knicks at some point this season.

He is the perfect example of teams mismanaging a player and labeling him something he is not.

Give the kid his ball and let him do what he dose best score and distribute to open teamates..
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12/1/2015  7:48 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Jimmer is 26, Calderon, 34...there is not even a double digit difference between their ages. Folks are making it seem that Jimmer is an undrafted discovery. Guy has a track record of mediocrity so far.

Find it hard to believe that a Knicks team with Anthony, KP, and now Aflalo, is going to want to play with a 6ft tall ball dominant guard who is not known for making his teammates better or playing D.

I might be wrong, but I think there's a reason why he's been on 3 teams in the 5 years he's been in the league and the fact that he was not even on an NBA team's roster at the start of this year might be another red flag.

If he could do what he did in his first Westchester game in shorter minutes on the parent team, you could see his value as a change of pace guy, but he's yet to do such things in the NBA so far, so why should we believe he can do it with the Knicks.

I watched the second half of the W Knicks, and was surprised that they let him play the way he did- he seemed to be putting on a show for the fans who probably came out to see him, not Allan Houston, or the Knicks' assistant coach who was watching the game.

I can't believe that Phil, Mills, and Fisher are huddled together discussing how Jimmer will revitalize the Triangle and the Knicks' offense.

See that's just it sac town labeled him a spot up shooter who dose not bring the ball up the court or play defense... This is the first time in his career he's able to get the ball like he was supposed to from day one.
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12/1/2015  8:27 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Jimmer is 26, Calderon, 34...there is not even a double digit difference between their ages. Folks are making it seem that Jimmer is an undrafted discovery. Guy has a track record of mediocrity so far.

Find it hard to believe that a Knicks team with Anthony, KP, and now Aflalo, is going to want to play with a 6ft tall ball dominant guard who is not known for making his teammates better or playing D.

I might be wrong, but I think there's a reason why he's been on 3 teams in the 5 years he's been in the league and the fact that he was not even on an NBA team's roster at the start of this year might be another red flag.

If he could do what he did in his first Westchester game in shorter minutes on the parent team, you could see his value as a change of pace guy, but he's yet to do such things in the NBA so far, so why should we believe he can do it with the Knicks.

I watched the second half of the W Knicks, and was surprised that they let him play the way he did- he seemed to be putting on a show for the fans who probably came out to see him, not Allan Houston, or the Knicks' assistant coach who was watching the game.

I can't believe that Phil, Mills, and Fisher are huddled together discussing how Jimmer will revitalize the Triangle and the Knicks' offense.

See that's just it sac town labeled him a spot up shooter who dose not bring the ball up the court or play defense... This is the first time in his career he's able to get the ball like he was supposed to from day one.

I'll give you a shout out if you are right...I really hope you are right and I am totally wrong because I benefit as a fan of the team.

Been wrong before.

I will pray to the BB gods to help Jimmer see the Triangular light.

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12/1/2015  8:35 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Jimmer is 26, Calderon, 34...there is not even a double digit difference between their ages. Folks are making it seem that Jimmer is an undrafted discovery. Guy has a track record of mediocrity so far.

Find it hard to believe that a Knicks team with Anthony, KP, and now Aflalo, is going to want to play with a 6ft tall ball dominant guard who is not known for making his teammates better or playing D.

I might be wrong, but I think there's a reason why he's been on 3 teams in the 5 years he's been in the league and the fact that he was not even on an NBA team's roster at the start of this year might be another red flag.

If he could do what he did in his first Westchester game in shorter minutes on the parent team, you could see his value as a change of pace guy, but he's yet to do such things in the NBA so far, so why should we believe he can do it with the Knicks.

I watched the second half of the W Knicks, and was surprised that they let him play the way he did- he seemed to be putting on a show for the fans who probably came out to see him, not Allan Houston, or the Knicks' assistant coach who was watching the game.

I can't believe that Phil, Mills, and Fisher are huddled together discussing how Jimmer will revitalize the Triangle and the Knicks' offense.

See that's just it sac town labeled him a spot up shooter who dose not bring the ball up the court or play defense... This is the first time in his career he's able to get the ball like he was supposed to from day one.

I'll give you a shout out if you are right...I really hope you are right and I am totally wrong because I benefit as a fan of the team.

Been wrong before.

I will pray to the BB gods to help Jimmer see the Triangular light.

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12/1/2015  8:57 PM
Not interested at all. There is a reason he has been some ass in the NBA. No different to Calderon at all.
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12/1/2015  9:35 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Jimmer is 26, Calderon, 34...there is not even a double digit difference between their ages. Folks are making it seem that Jimmer is an undrafted discovery. Guy has a track record of mediocrity so far.

Find it hard to believe that a Knicks team with Anthony, KP, and now Aflalo, is going to want to play with a 6ft tall ball dominant guard who is not known for making his teammates better or playing D.

I might be wrong, but I think there's a reason why he's been on 3 teams in the 5 years he's been in the league and the fact that he was not even on an NBA team's roster at the start of this year might be another red flag.

If he could do what he did in his first Westchester game in shorter minutes on the parent team, you could see his value as a change of pace guy, but he's yet to do such things in the NBA so far, so why should we believe he can do it with the Knicks.

I watched the second half of the W Knicks, and was surprised that they let him play the way he did- he seemed to be putting on a show for the fans who probably came out to see him, not Allan Houston, or the Knicks' assistant coach who was watching the game.

I can't believe that Phil, Mills, and Fisher are huddled together discussing how Jimmer will revitalize the Triangle and the Knicks' offense.

See that's just it sac town labeled him a spot up shooter who dose not bring the ball up the court or play defense... This is the first time in his career he's able to get the ball like he was supposed to from day one.

I'll give you a shout out if you are right...I really hope you are right and I am totally wrong because I benefit as a fan of the team.

Been wrong before.

I will pray to the BB gods to help Jimmer see the Triangular light.

Yes me too ... I've been pulling for him hopefully the d league is exactly what the doctor ordered for this kid.... He is just too talented watched him a lot when he played at byu... One of those players who just hasn't been in the right place at the right time . We all know the Knicks need a upgrade at pg. maybe it's just waiting in the d league...

We'll have to see how he dose
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12/1/2015  10:07 PM
Wish we would stop with this, Fredette cant stay in front of pgs and is too small to cover 2's. Makes Calderon look like a defensive stopper.This aint college or NBDL , he can hit a wide open three but that is about all he can do in the NBA .
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12/1/2015  10:07 PM
Jimmer is the Teebow of the NBA. Only difference is he penetrates.

Jimmer can't do what he did last nite in the NBA. I think he can be a good bench player if he refines his game to be a Triangle master.
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12/1/2015  10:23 PM
Another player who is mismanaged and might be down the same road is D'anglo Russell... The guy is actually the opposite of jimmer he's a great spot up shooter and someone who can pass but is not a point guard what so ever... The lakers should be playing him at the 2 his natural position. And let him score and shoot and pass out on the wing.. Russell can pass when he is passed to in offensive position. There forcing him to play pg and you can see how uncomfortable he looks ... A confidence destroyer at 20 years old
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12/1/2015  11:12 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Jimmer is 26, Calderon, 34...there is not even a double digit difference between their ages. Folks are making it seem that Jimmer is an undrafted discovery. Guy has a track record of mediocrity so far.

Find it hard to believe that a Knicks team with Anthony, KP, and now Aflalo, is going to want to play with a 6ft tall ball dominant guard who is not known for making his teammates better or playing D.

I might be wrong, but I think there's a reason why he's been on 3 teams in the 5 years he's been in the league and the fact that he was not even on an NBA team's roster at the start of this year might be another red flag.

If he could do what he did in his first Westchester game in shorter minutes on the parent team, you could see his value as a change of pace guy, but he's yet to do such things in the NBA so far, so why should we believe he can do it with the Knicks.

I watched the second half of the W Knicks, and was surprised that they let him play the way he did- he seemed to be putting on a show for the fans who probably came out to see him, not Allan Houston, or the Knicks' assistant coach who was watching the game.

I can't believe that Phil, Mills, and Fisher are huddled together discussing how Jimmer will revitalize the Triangle and the Knicks' offense.

See that's just it sac town labeled him a spot up shooter who dose not bring the ball up the court or play defense... This is the first time in his career he's able to get the ball like he was supposed to from day one.

I'll give you a shout out if you are right...I really hope you are right and I am totally wrong because I benefit as a fan of the team.

Been wrong before.

I will pray to the BB gods to help Jimmer see the Triangular light.

and I am gonna bump the sh1t out of this thread when he is wrong LMFAO

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/2/2015  12:58 AM
I saw Jimmer make an alley oop to Early that was great. He penetrated, drew the defense to him and then passed to Cleo for a slam dunk. I could see him doing that about a thousand times to Porzingis. He really penetrates at will and draws loads of fouls, sort of what other teams are doing to us.

As someone else mentioned he scored his 37 points against Lorenzo Brown who had the reputation of being the Timberwolves' best defensive point guard last year.

I was very impressed with what I saw!
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12/2/2015  8:47 AM
There's no question what Jimmer can do offensively. The question is can he make his teammates better and play defense. He's first d league game proved nothing. The guy has to open his mind and see the opportunity. Learn the team game. Knicks have a spot for him either starting our off the bench.
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12/2/2015  12:41 PM
I understand however there are times when our offense is totally stagnant and it might be nice to have a guy come in off the bench and take over for a while. You know, change things. Get fouled penetrating. Shoot the crazy 3. Throw the alley oop pass. Think of him hopefully replacing Jose after he's moved off of the bench, sort of a new Jeremy Lin type.
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12/2/2015  12:48 PM
EnySpree wrote:There's no question what Jimmer can do offensively. The question is can he make his teammates better and play defense. He's first d league game proved nothing. The guy has to open his mind and see the opportunity. Learn the team game. Knicks have a spot for him either starting our off the bench.

He's been getting a few nice drive and dishes today. Had a few nice assists to Cleanthony and Thanasis. 7 assists overall, through 3 quarters.

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12/2/2015  1:12 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Pass. If Phil wanted to take a long shot on a short shoot first pg then Knicks could have picked up Bryce Cotton who is younger, quicker, athletic and diversified than Jimmer. I actually wish Fredette would be on another NBDL team because he offers little help to development of others besides being an attraction

I'll go further and say that he will hurt the development of guys like Trice and Saunders, who I have much more of a rooting interest in because they were with us in pre-season.

You have to think that his value to the Westchester team is tied more to local fan support than it is to him being a player the Knicks hope to "develop."

We will see.

I think I agree. I only saw 10 minutes of yesterdays game but he definitely dominates the ball. Also, there was some speculation that the drafting of Jimmer was to fill seats because he is a local kid.

Totally ball dominating pg, the reason the spurs told him to kick rocks. He needs a MDA type system to really shine. He did have 8 assist so that kind if cloud's your judgement on him

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12/2/2015  1:28 PM
I don't get this thread at all. The kid is driving untouched to the basket in the NBDL, which is only slightly akin to waiting for people (with the exception of 7'3" first rounders) to play defense in summer league. The NBDL is an exercise in offensive stat loading.

That jumper is the ugliest thing I've seen since... it's just ugly. That extra little hitch he's giving is not going to transfer well to the big time.

Oh Jerian Grant, one stupid highlight D-League game and we've moved on to we barely knew ye...
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12/2/2015  1:30 PM
jrodmc wrote:I don't get this thread at all. The kid is driving untouched to the basket in the NBDL, which is only slightly akin to waiting for people (with the exception of 7'3" first rounders) to play defense in summer league. The NBDL is an exercise in offensive stat loading.

That jumper is the ugliest thing I've seen since... it's just ugly. That extra little hitch he's giving is not going to transfer well to the big time.

Oh Jerian Grant, one stupid highlight D-League game and we've moved on to we barely knew ye...

I would never have Jimmer replace Jerian's minutes. I'd be curious to give him a look in Sasha's role though.

I think he's an undersized SG, not a PG.

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12/2/2015  1:41 PM
crzymdups wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I don't get this thread at all. The kid is driving untouched to the basket in the NBDL, which is only slightly akin to waiting for people (with the exception of 7'3" first rounders) to play defense in summer league. The NBDL is an exercise in offensive stat loading.

That jumper is the ugliest thing I've seen since... it's just ugly. That extra little hitch he's giving is not going to transfer well to the big time.

Oh Jerian Grant, one stupid highlight D-League game and we've moved on to we barely knew ye...

I would never have Jimmer replace Jerian's minutes. I'd be curious to give him a look in Sasha's role though.

I think he's an undersized SG, not a PG.

Yeah, that might work, given Sasha's current role is DNP-CD.
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12/2/2015  1:50 PM
Jimmer's shot looks broken. Athletically, he makes Calderon look like a speedster and he is completely out of control driving to the basket. The kid is no NBA player, Trice looks better as a PG option
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