fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

kp has a higher ceiling but right now towns is better. how many games have you watched towns play?

1. towns is a game changer on defense. kp is still learning to stay out of foul trouble
2. towns has great vision and therefore attempts more passes. passes that his teammates cant handle or arent ready for. dude has better vision than kp
3. dribble drive - we both agree towns
4. i stated lost post AND outside shooting. meaning the combo of the two. kp is a better shooter (no doubt at all) but towns can score in a variety of ways.

both are good players with great potential (and ill even say kp has more). but right now towns is the better player

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

gunsnewing wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Way off base man. It will take 5yrs to determine which of the 2 will be slightly more impactful and dynamic.

thats the bottom line. but if i had to go with who is the better player RIGHT NOW - its towns

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

towns is a better passer ... not sure what you are watching.

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

towns is a better passer ... not sure what you are watching.

Lol just because he's had one post up highlight pass dose not make him a better passer... Also watching the highlights the refs really give this kid everything... KP dose not get that kinda love from the refs whatsoever. KP's numbers would look better too if he got the harden love towns gets.

cause the refs hate KP ... perfect lol

fitzfarm wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

I love KP, but no he doesn't.

He's finding open men that lead to scoring opportunities at a nearly team-low rate.

We are also not running the offense through KP like Minnesota is for towns... If KP touched the ball everytime down he'd be passing more

As I say, forget Towns. KP is one of the least effective (I didn't say willing) passers on the Knicks.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

I love KP, but no he doesn't.

He's finding open men that lead to scoring opportunities at a nearly team-low rate.

We are also not running the offense through KP like Minnesota is for towns... If KP touched the ball everytime down he'd be passing more

As I say, forget Towns. KP is one of the least effective (I didn't say willing) passers on the Knicks.

misleading statement but ok

if KP had many unassisted baskets then I would expect a higher assist rate. If he is catching alley oops every play, of course he will have a terrible usg : assist rate.

One could argue this all day, but KP is not hitting cutters to the basket while drawing double teams in the post. He is not driving in the lane drawing defenders and dishing to an open man. He is not rapidly swinging the ball around on the perimeter for an open 3 like Melo did a couple times the other night.

KP has done NOTHING to distinguish himself as a particularly skilled passer. That isn't to say he never will, he just hasn't yet.

He's been as good as we could reasonably expect as is. There is no reason to give him credit for skills that just aren't there, or haven't been seen yet, is all I'm saying.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

I love KP, but no he doesn't.

He's finding open men that lead to scoring opportunities at a nearly team-low rate.

We are also not running the offense through KP like Minnesota is for towns... If KP touched the ball everytime down he'd be passing more

As I say, forget Towns. KP is one of the least effective (I didn't say willing) passers on the Knicks.

misleading statement but ok

if KP had many unassisted baskets then I would expect a higher assist rate. If he is catching alley oops every play, of course he will have a terrible usg : assist rate.

One could argue this all day, but KP is not hitting cutters to the basket while drawing double teams in the post. He is not driving in the lane drawing defenders and dishing to an open man. He is not rapidly swinging the ball around on the perimeter for an open 3 like Melo did a couple times the other night.

KP has done NOTHING to distinguish himself as a particularly skilled passer. That isn't to say he never will, he just hasn't yet.

He's been as good as we could reasonably expect as is. There is no reason to give him credit for skills that just aren't there, or haven't been seen yet, is all I'm saying.

I haven't given him credit for being a facilitator.

Was mor directed to the other poster, who seems determined to include passing as one of his top skills.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

callmened wrote:im proud that even though this is a knicks site, we're still intelligent to realize who the better player is

towns> kp because:
1. defense
2. passing
3. dribble drive
4. low post and outside shooting

Your so wrong
1.defense KP who can defend the 3 to the 5 or towns limited to centers
2.passing KP is a way better passer he's only averaging 1.6 turnovers to towns 3.6
3.outside shooting please KP all day every day on towns.

Low post and dribble drive maybe towns but that's now... Again KP can pull off the dream shake..towns will never pull off the dream shake.

Point is their both nice pieces KP just has a way way bigger ceiling... Towns is going to be averaging similar stats as of now for most of his career . Which is pretty darn good hopefully he developes a actual back to the basket game.

Towns is averaging 2.3 TOs

Your right 2.4 I was looking at the past 5 games... Still think KP is a better passer . The guy always grabs rebounds and finds open guys or finds melo

I love KP, but no he doesn't.

He's finding open men that lead to scoring opportunities at a nearly team-low rate.

We are also not running the offense through KP like Minnesota is for towns... If KP touched the ball everytime down he'd be passing more

KP actually has a slightly higher usage rate than Towns, though the difference is negligible (25.0 vs. 24.3).

Yes. And towns is assisted more than KP on 2's. 68 to 62.

Towns was a really good passer in college. Kid can pass.