Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Okafor better than Porzingis? NOPE.

Rk               Player From   To  G  MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS DWS   WS  WS/48  OBPM DBPM  BPM VORP
1         Jahlil Okafor 2016 2016 10 338 15.7 .496 .000 .240  7.6 15.6 11.5  9.0  0.3  3.8 13.0 28.9  -0.1 0.1 -0.1 -0.008  -2.5 -1.2 -3.7 -0.1
2    Kristaps Porzingis 2016 2016 11 273 15.6 .459 .260 .244 13.2 23.3 18.2  4.3  1.8  3.4 11.7 24.5   0.1 0.4  0.5   .087  -2.2  0.1 -2.1  0.0

Stats seem to indicate a near landslide for Porzingis.

Yeah KP has been better. Okafor needs to prove he can do more than score, but hopefully he will over time.

OK4 has put up the best overall stats over the last 5 games of all rookies..Points, Rebounds, Shot Blocks...

BRIGGS wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:...and Okafor is younger

One can only imagine the extra development time those 4 months will favor Okafor.

Has anyone actually watched ok4? He doesnt need developmental time and he plays with horrible teammates. If we swapped in KP for OK4 NO way could he do what Ok4 has done. I love KP--Im not trading him--but there is a reason why Ok4 went 3rd and hes proving it.

Not saying what KP would do in OK4's place...or what OK4 would be doing on the Knicks, but the team you're playing on and the expectations for that team make a big difference, IMO.

Got to have some perspective, Briggs. Sixers are under no obligation to win, and you figure that they guy in power would be fine with another top 3 lottery finish.

The age comment makes not sense, by the way...there is no official "schedule for development" that applies to all human beings in the exact same way. People mature at different rates- 4 months would not be a statistically significant number.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:...and Okafor is younger

One can only imagine the extra development time those 4 months will favor Okafor.

Has anyone actually watched ok4? He doesnt need developmental time and he plays with horrible teammates. If we swapped in KP for OK4 NO way could he do what Ok4 has done. I love KP--Im not trading him--but there is a reason why Ok4 went 3rd and hes proving it.

Different situation for a young player when nothing is being expected from a team. Does anyone feel that Stanley Johnson, Miles Turner, Russell, or Winslow would not be putting up different numbers than they are now if they were on this year's Philly team??? Same goes for Kaminsky...and you figure Hezonja would be putting up 20 shots a night for that team.

Not saying what KP would do in OK4's place...or what OK4 would be doing on the Knicks, but the team you're playing on and the expectations for that team make a big difference, IMO.

Got to have some perspective, Briggs. Sixers are under no obligation to win, and you figure that they guy in power would be fine with another top 3 lottery finish.

The age comment makes not sense, by the way...there is no official "schedule for development" that applies to all human beings in the exact same way. People mature at different rates- 4 months would not be a statistically significant number.

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Okafor better than Porzingis? NOPE.

Rk               Player From   To  G  MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS DWS   WS  WS/48  OBPM DBPM  BPM VORP
1         Jahlil Okafor 2016 2016 10 338 15.7 .496 .000 .240  7.6 15.6 11.5  9.0  0.3  3.8 13.0 28.9  -0.1 0.1 -0.1 -0.008  -2.5 -1.2 -3.7 -0.1
2    Kristaps Porzingis 2016 2016 11 273 15.6 .459 .260 .244 13.2 23.3 18.2  4.3  1.8  3.4 11.7 24.5   0.1 0.4  0.5   .087  -2.2  0.1 -2.1  0.0

Stats seem to indicate a near landslide for Porzingis.

Yeah KP has been better. Okafor needs to prove he can do more than score, but hopefully he will over time.

OK4 has put up the best overall stats over the last 5 games of all rookies..Points, Rebounds, Shot Blocks...

Not according to win shares, the win column, or the eye test...

Most non-impactful 20-8 player maybe ever.

They haven't won any games which factors into win shares...Trying to diss OK4 doesn't make KP better..

Yea, KP does that on his own. Historical start for KP so far in his career. Can't say the same for Okafor's mediocre beginning.

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https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/664812525813374976

Wonder when Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Dwayne Casey, and Anthony Davis will chime on Okafor...

holfresh wrote:This is a stupid thread, it's like going to France, Italy or North Korea and ask them whats the best country in the world...

its really stupid if you chose Mudiay and are still too proud to admit that as of today, it looks like you were wrong.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is a stupid thread, it's like going to France, Italy or North Korea and ask them whats the best country in the world...

its really stupid if you chose Mudiay and are still too proud to admit that as of today, it looks like you were wrong.

I'm not stupid enough to make career assessments after 10 games...You don't even watch the other teams or other players yet it doesn't give you pause making such assessments...OK4 has adjusted his game to where he has put up 19 and 10 the last 5 games...Mudiay has Denver tied for the 8th playoff spot in the West...Mudiay will be putting up effortless triple doubles in a year..Watch the games and you won't embarrass yourself...

I do watch the games and I would feel like a putz too if I were you ... though perhaps you are too much of a putz to feel like a putz.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is a stupid thread, it's like going to France, Italy or North Korea and ask them whats the best country in the world...

its really stupid if you chose Mudiay and are still too proud to admit that as of today, it looks like you were wrong.

I'm not stupid enough to make career assessments after 10 games...You don't even watch the other teams or other players yet it doesn't give you pause making such assessments...OK4 has adjusted his game to where he has put up 19 and 10 the last 5 games...Mudiay has Denver tied for the 8th playoff spot in the West...Mudiay will be putting up effortless triple doubles in a year..Watch the games and you won't embarrass yourself...

I do watch the games and I would feel like a putz too if I were you ... though perhaps you are too much of a putz to feel like a putz.

Speaking of putz, it's comical watching you prop up the 0-11 Sixers in one thread and attempt to tear down it's best player in another thread...

yeah nice catch on the context there ...

so I assume that if the draft were today, you take Ok4 and Mudiay over KP, right?

I am assuming that you will avoid the question ...

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is a stupid thread, it's like going to France, Italy or North Korea and ask them whats the best country in the world...

its really stupid if you chose Mudiay and are still too proud to admit that as of today, it looks like you were wrong.

I'm not stupid enough to make career assessments after 10 games...You don't even watch the other teams or other players yet it doesn't give you pause making such assessments...OK4 has adjusted his game to where he has put up 19 and 10 the last 5 games...Mudiay has Denver tied for the 8th playoff spot in the West...Mudiay will be putting up effortless triple doubles in a year..Watch the games and you won't embarrass yourself...

I do watch the games and I would feel like a putz too if I were you ... though perhaps you are too much of a putz to feel like a putz.

Speaking of putz, it's comical watching you prop up the 0-11 Sixers in one thread and attempt to tear down it's best player in another thread...

yeah nice catch on the context there ...

so I assume that if the draft were today, you take Ok4 and Mudiay over KP, right?

I am assuming that you will avoid the question ...

I have already stated who my pick at 4 would be and that was Mudiay...It's now silly to assess who you would pick at the 2 given that players and the league is starting to adjust to each other...Look at all the players last five games and see whose games are changing...There will be guys who hit the wall come January and that will garner another set of assessments...Let's see who is standing at the end of the year...

you think that 10 games + summer league as well as countless practices would not help a GM make or adjust their decision?

do you really think that GM's today would pick Mudiay over KP?

NOT ONE WOULD

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is a stupid thread, it's like going to France, Italy or North Korea and ask them whats the best country in the world...

its really stupid if you chose Mudiay and are still too proud to admit that as of today, it looks like you were wrong.

I'm not stupid enough to make career assessments after 10 games...You don't even watch the other teams or other players yet it doesn't give you pause making such assessments...OK4 has adjusted his game to where he has put up 19 and 10 the last 5 games...Mudiay has Denver tied for the 8th playoff spot in the West...Mudiay will be putting up effortless triple doubles in a year..Watch the games and you won't embarrass yourself...

I do watch the games and I would feel like a putz too if I were you ... though perhaps you are too much of a putz to feel like a putz.

enough with the name calling? Seem to be doing it more these days.

Martin you are on it brother.....I have to give it to you. Continue to make this the best Knick fan site ever.