fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

THANK YOU GUNS. Im reading this and thinking the problem is DWill? He's been terrible. What he can do and what he does do are not the same.

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

Lopez lost his man to go cover lin ... not sure why this keeps getting ignored. Lin was left wide open on 2 consecutive plays.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

THANK YOU GUNS. Im reading this and thinking the problem is DWill? He's been terrible. What he can do and what he does do are not the same.

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

Lopez lost his man to go cover lin ... not sure why this keeps getting ignored. Lin was left wide open on 2 consecutive plays.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

THANK YOU GUNS. Im reading this and thinking the problem is DWill? He's been terrible. What he can do and what he does do are not the same.

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

Lopez lost his man to go cover lin ... not sure why this keeps getting ignored. Lin was left wide open on 2 consecutive plays.

I didnt see it that way. Looked like Lopez just got turned around. He was right next to Zeltner when he scored, just not in a position to do anything useful

I wish I could see the replay. Pretty sure Lin getting loose was the issue.

Freeze it at 1:30. Lin def had a layup. Gallo (he had a terrible game defensively) lost him twice in a row. Rolo perhaps could have recovered faster but it was bang bacg.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

THANK YOU GUNS. Im reading this and thinking the problem is DWill? He's been terrible. What he can do and what he does do are not the same.

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

Lopez lost his man to go cover lin ... not sure why this keeps getting ignored. Lin was left wide open on 2 consecutive plays.

I didnt see it that way. Looked like Lopez just got turned around. He was right next to Zeltner when he scored, just not in a position to do anything useful

I wish I could see the replay. Pretty sure Lin getting loose was the issue.

I DVR all the games, Ill check it. Rolo was right next to him though, he just got turned around. Possibly looking for Lin? I hope not...

I just dont get why Melo was pressuring the inbound. When its a catch and shoot why dont you have the 7'6 guy out there?

I posted the clip (above). I def agree about KP on the inbounds. Fisher was probably wary because he almost lost the toronto game by putting KP in for the rebound of the foul shot.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams

Why are you so sure DWill would've been the difference in this game? The Knicks had many opps to win this game and I don't think it really came down to playing DWill or not. I like DWill and I expect he'll get his chances this long season. It was Fisher's decision to see what others could give him. That's his right and is understandable this early with a new roster. It's not a lock that they if Fish plays DWill.

He would have definitely been a difference, because in previous games, that unit always move the ball effectively and don't turn the ball over like what happened last night. For 4 minutes, we were very disorganized. With Lou on the floor, we were lacking fire power on the perimeter, as well as another slasher/shooter

Hey, Fisher is learning on the job just as much as the young'uns are. No need for panic yet, this ain't a veteran squad competing for a 1st or 2nd seed. Sometimes you drop a few eggs on the floor making an omelette. This is all a part of Jax plan.

Kemet wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:fisher another experiment, another loss lead, fishers rotation took everyone out of rhythm

Experiment .. how many more games will Fisher experiment?

who cares ... the whole season if he needs to

mreinman wrote:

Kemet wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:fisher another experiment, another loss lead, fishers rotation took everyone out of rhythm

Experiment .. how many more games will Fisher experiment?

who cares ... the whole season if he needs to

You must be a NETS fan????

I have been formulating possible rotations in my head after the game and this is what I've come up with:

First Unit

1 - Gallo
2 - AA
3 - CA
4 - KoQ
5 - ROLO

Seeing the first quarter of last game, I noticed that the Gallo + AA back court provided more stability both in offense and defense so this should be able to hold against majority of opening line ups except maybe the most explosive and skilled back courts like OKC and GSW.

The majority of the offense will come from, you guessed it, Carmelo and to a minor extent AA. As much as Carmelo's preference for ISO is a feast or famine it cannot be denied he is still one of the best scoring machines in the league if he gets going. So give him what he wants and if he gets focused on D by double teams, or his shot is off we have 3 able shooters he can pass to, or he can set RoLo down low.

RoLo would be the main anchor for the paint and KoQ can help. Now you may wonder why KoQ over KP and the main reason is to preserve KP's energy for offense on the 2nd unit. Manytimes i see KP wasting energy running on the court and seldom get touches since the offense is focused on CA. In addition, KoQ is also a very gritty player and has decent shooting (can hit a three) and passing abilities.

Second Unit

1 - Grant
2 - Jose (Sasha/Early)
3 - Dwill (Early/LT)
4 - LT (Lou/KP)
5 - KP (Seraph)

The second unit's main task would be either maintaining enough momentum to sustain the lead established by the first unit, or if behind, provide enough offense to reduce the deficit to manageable levels as the first unit tries to rest.

The offense would focus on two players Dwill and KP.

There will be more emphasis on ball movement and Grant's drive and kick ability would be crucial here. Jose would provide shooting to space the floor but he can also be swapped with sasha depending on who is in the groove. Another interesting variation is using Early for a more up tempo game.

Lou is there just for rebounds and grit interchangeable with thomas who can provide much better offense.

Seraph can play the 5 but only if KP plays the 4, there should never be an instance where you have Seraph and Lou on the floor at the same time.

Putting KP, grant and to some extent Dwill on the 2nd unit would give them more freedom to play and boost their confidence.

Of course the strongest rotation of having melo, KP, rolo, AA and any guard can be used to close games or when to get a critical run.