SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:You guys have zero cred..How do you watch that game and your take away is Melo..The argument is just tiring..U guys are killing the board..It not intelligent anymore..

So you'd rather Melo dribble into a corner for 10 seconds then shoot a desperation fadeaway airball over a taller 6'9 defender, than you know, draw up a play like the Zeller game winner?

That's on Fisher. That was the designed play. Give the ball to Melo and everybody get the hell out of the way and watch.

Yea, especially 14 seconds of clock killing by Hose-A. Playing to lose, not to win. 24 seconds of airball turnover, but it takes Charlotte a little over 1 seconds bounce pass and gather and finish to win the game.

Stupid play call and bad execution by Melo not even looking to draw the foul going hard to the hoop.

The play call was terrible and set it up for a low percentage shot. They gave him the ball with 10 sec so he hadda run a few sec off first 25 ft from the basket, which isn't a strength of Melo's game. The ball got poked away so hard to tell if he was planning to try and go to the basked although I assume he would've taken a stepback from 15-17FT if that hadn't happened. Either way, low percentage play call and low percentage result.

The spacing on the floor was horrendous down the stretch. It started with the false lineup of Grant, Galloway, Lance, Lou, and KO. Carmelo was cooking early on because he did not have to deal with three guys guarding him. The coach is to be blamed for the loss.

dk7th wrote:i missed the first quarter so i don't feel entirely qualified to make a thread. that said: the bench was outplayed this time for the first time this season. lamb and lin just killed us. glad to see afflalo back in there. he is going to be good for us if he stays healthy, and finally we don't have to endure vujacic who is really hard on the eyes. that said, you could have predicted that his return would disrupt fisher's coaching/rotations.

still... this was a "bad loss" in my opinion. i believe in the process of learning how to win and i believe in allowing everyone on the roster to contribute... AND i like fisher as a coach a whole bunch but you CANNOT have calderon out there guarding a slasher like lin-- EVER. lets hope he learns from this and sics galloway on the lins of the world.

melo was hot tonight which is fine-- i guess-- but i'd rather he work the ball as part of a balance between process and results.

stat of the night: porzingis 0 free throw attempts. what's up with that? can we run some plays for this precocious neophyte? also, no free throws and a ****-ton of threes. is this what we want from an ostensible triangle-centric team?

also merely 6 fast break points. this is a definite pattern this season for this team directly traceable to poor or ineffectual perimeter defense. translation: switch galloway and calderon!!!

I disagree, I thought it was a good loss.

I thought Jose played great. Also, most PG cannot keep other PG's in front of them. In fact, Lin's shot was a bit of the circus nature. Kemba played badly, does Jose get some props there?
Teaching moment on defense was a hard one to swallow as they bit for the fake and sprung zeller free. Is that Coaching or execution? I'd say execution. It was great play.

Too bad you did not see the first quarter as there was things of beauty to behold. Guys were getting easy shots and nailing them. Its the NBA and Charlotte is not a bad team at all. WE won a close game in Toronto and fell short this time.

We can focus on the negative which is ok, but as a fan this team is further along than I would have expected. KP is way ahead of what I was thinking!
we saw Affalo and Jose together and it looked darn good!
We saw some glimpse of Melo get hot in the second half.
RoPez I thought played well and KP had some great Moments.........Kp will be inconsistent as are many rookies. Dude was pulling rebounds all nite! Dude was plucking them over others as if he was playing alone at that altitiude.

Im not in dispute over the negative, it was there. But im just adding balance to some good things I saw and perhaps why a culture with patience that stuck with Jose is not so terrible. Fans wanted him benched and maybe the coaches were running out of patience.

Nalod wrote:

dk7th wrote:i missed the first quarter so i don't feel entirely qualified to make a thread. that said: the bench was outplayed this time for the first time this season. lamb and lin just killed us. glad to see afflalo back in there. he is going to be good for us if he stays healthy, and finally we don't have to endure vujacic who is really hard on the eyes. that said, you could have predicted that his return would disrupt fisher's coaching/rotations.

still... this was a "bad loss" in my opinion. i believe in the process of learning how to win and i believe in allowing everyone on the roster to contribute... AND i like fisher as a coach a whole bunch but you CANNOT have calderon out there guarding a slasher like lin-- EVER. lets hope he learns from this and sics galloway on the lins of the world.

melo was hot tonight which is fine-- i guess-- but i'd rather he work the ball as part of a balance between process and results.

stat of the night: porzingis 0 free throw attempts. what's up with that? can we run some plays for this precocious neophyte? also, no free throws and a ****-ton of threes. is this what we want from an ostensible triangle-centric team?

also merely 6 fast break points. this is a definite pattern this season for this team directly traceable to poor or ineffectual perimeter defense. translation: switch galloway and calderon!!!

I disagree, I thought it was a good loss.

I thought Jose played great. Also, most PG cannot keep other PG's in front of them. In fact, Lin's shot was a bit of the circus nature. Kemba played badly, does Jose get some props there?
Teaching moment on defense was a hard one to swallow as they bit for the fake and sprung zeller free. Is that Coaching or execution? I'd say execution. It was great play.

Too bad you did not see the first quarter as there was things of beauty to behold. Guys were getting easy shots and nailing them. Its the NBA and Charlotte is not a bad team at all. WE won a close game in Toronto and fell short this time.

We can focus on the negative which is ok, but as a fan this team is further along than I would have expected. KP is way ahead of what I was thinking!
we saw Affalo and Jose together and it looked darn good!
We saw some glimpse of Melo get hot in the second half.
RoPez I thought played well and KP had some great Moments.........Kp will be inconsistent as are many rookies. Dude was pulling rebounds all nite! Dude was plucking them over others as if he was playing alone at that altitiude.

Im not in dispute over the negative, it was there. But im just adding balance to some good things I saw and perhaps why a culture with patience that stuck with Jose is not so terrible. Fans wanted him benched and maybe the coaches were running out of patience.

+1
Last year, we aren't even in this game, and Kemba would be killing us, not sitting on the bench for the fourth quarter watching JesusLin throw prayers at the basket and watch them fall through. His circus shots are what caused Rolo to overcover on the game winner.

So we stole one thanks to the refs in Toronto, and they took this one back from us last night. The clock settings and the deranged calls for legally fighting through screens were puzzling even to the ESPN radio commentators.

I really do enjoy the Melohate that bases everything on the bad play at the end, and makes little or no mention of Melo keeping us in the game all night. Yes, listening to him lose the handle and bank one off the side of the backboard is painful, but with the disappearance of DWill (whether it's Fish's fault or not) leaves us with one consistent scoring option. Hopefully Affalo can build on this game and we get to see the product Phil actually envisioned and paid for.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

dk7th wrote:i missed the first quarter so i don't feel entirely qualified to make a thread. that said: the bench was outplayed this time for the first time this season. lamb and lin just killed us. glad to see afflalo back in there. he is going to be good for us if he stays healthy, and finally we don't have to endure vujacic who is really hard on the eyes. that said, you could have predicted that his return would disrupt fisher's coaching/rotations.

still... this was a "bad loss" in my opinion. i believe in the process of learning how to win and i believe in allowing everyone on the roster to contribute... AND i like fisher as a coach a whole bunch but you CANNOT have calderon out there guarding a slasher like lin-- EVER. lets hope he learns from this and sics galloway on the lins of the world.

melo was hot tonight which is fine-- i guess-- but i'd rather he work the ball as part of a balance between process and results.

stat of the night: porzingis 0 free throw attempts. what's up with that? can we run some plays for this precocious neophyte? also, no free throws and a ****-ton of threes. is this what we want from an ostensible triangle-centric team?

also merely 6 fast break points. this is a definite pattern this season for this team directly traceable to poor or ineffectual perimeter defense. translation: switch galloway and calderon!!!

I disagree, I thought it was a good loss.

I thought Jose played great. Also, most PG cannot keep other PG's in front of them. In fact, Lin's shot was a bit of the circus nature. Kemba played badly, does Jose get some props there?
Teaching moment on defense was a hard one to swallow as they bit for the fake and sprung zeller free. Is that Coaching or execution? I'd say execution. It was great play.

Too bad you did not see the first quarter as there was things of beauty to behold. Guys were getting easy shots and nailing them. Its the NBA and Charlotte is not a bad team at all. WE won a close game in Toronto and fell short this time.

We can focus on the negative which is ok, but as a fan this team is further along than I would have expected. KP is way ahead of what I was thinking!
we saw Affalo and Jose together and it looked darn good!
We saw some glimpse of Melo get hot in the second half.
RoPez I thought played well and KP had some great Moments.........Kp will be inconsistent as are many rookies. Dude was pulling rebounds all nite! Dude was plucking them over others as if he was playing alone at that altitiude.

Im not in dispute over the negative, it was there. But im just adding balance to some good things I saw and perhaps why a culture with patience that stuck with Jose is not so terrible. Fans wanted him benched and maybe the coaches were running out of patience.

+1
Last year, we aren't even in this game, and Kemba would be killing us, not sitting on the bench for the fourth quarter watching JesusLin throw prayers at the basket and watch them fall through. His circus shots are what caused Rolo to overcover on the game winner.

So we stole one thanks to the refs in Toronto, and they took this one back from us last night. The clock settings and the deranged calls for legally fighting through screens were puzzling even to the ESPN radio commentators.

I really do enjoy the Melohate that bases everything on the bad play at the end, and makes little or no mention of Melo keeping us in the game all night. Yes, listening to him lose the handle and bank one off the side of the backboard is painful, but with the disappearance of DWill (whether it's Fish's fault or not) leaves us with one consistent scoring option. Hopefully Affalo can build on this game and we get to see the product Phil actually envisioned and paid for.

Nobody plays good defense against Melo, he only misses because he is over paid, over weight, over publicized and over utilized!

Last play I think he could not draw a double and he went to the corner. Part of not playing is getting rusty shot but the instincts are not there.
This guy needs to play into his game then start to see the court in the "Triangle Vision" to seek who is open. Any good offense is about options. Iso players, and Melo is top iso player in the league look to shoot first. Even the great Black Mamba career wise hit on only 33% game winning shots. KP almost started batting 1 for 1!!!!!

Regarding Melo, Seems like he is making progress as is the team as a whole.

Better options elsewhere. KP was perfect from mid to close range in the 1st, then they strayed away before he went ice cold.

Afflalo was hitting at a near 50% clip from the field.

Galloway has been a 62% 3pt shooter this season and overall clutch player.

Melo is not a top ISO player, he just gets used like one. Curry or Harden or Durant or Westbrook are top ISO players.

Melo isn't clutch either. Hasn't hit a game winner probably since the 1st year with the Knicks.

Just a terrible play call with no option to pass.

Knicks1969 wrote:If Westbrook or Durant was here, he would have been vilified as well. The same you who are criticizing Carmelo were the same dudes who hated Ewing. Now KP is the darling, let's see how long that lasts:::))))

If Pat Riley was our coaching you would be telling him who should be getting minutes.

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:If Westbrook or Durant was here, he would have been vilified as well. The same you who are criticizing Carmelo were the same dudes who hated Ewing. Now KP is the darling, let's see how long that lasts:::))))

If Pat Riley was our coaching you would be telling him who should be getting minutes.

So would BRIGGS and half the people on this board. OK...maybe not half, but you get the point. It's easy to be a coach from your livingroom, drinking a beer, typing on the keyboard.

I think that you should create 24-26 posts a day

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:If Westbrook or Durant was here, he would have been vilified as well. The same you who are criticizing Carmelo were the same dudes who hated Ewing. Now KP is the darling, let's see how long that lasts:::))))

If Pat Riley was our coaching you would be telling him who should be getting minutes.

Pat was by far the smartest to ever coach the Knicks. I would have never questioned his decision. I am ver sure you are not trying to compare Fisher to Riley, are you???

newyorker4ever wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Melo ISO Ball in the 4th killed us again, this time costing us with a 24 second violation.

For the love of God Fisher, draw up a different play!

You must have not watched the game! What lost us the game is the five minutes Fisher decided to play the subs with Lou at PF. That was a bad decision, because we really had no one on the floor we could have dumped the ball and ask to create. The second unit is much better when Williams is part of it. His athleticism and slashing ability are valuable and need to be put to better use. I notice that Fisher does not really trust him; as such, he has not used him as he should

I said on game thread, it's on Fish subs and Melo Hero ISO Ball. 50/50 blame.

Fish waited until it was too close to sub, and Melo only had 5 points in the 4th and a crucial 24 second violation airball. Forget the 29 points, it's when you score that counts.

Both blew chunks.

If you watched that last play Melo lost control of the ball and ended up putting himself in a bad position to put up a shot with time running out so it was just a mistake. I have zero problem with Melo taking the last shot cause he's proven. There's also a couple other guys i wouldn't m ind taking the last shot but Melo is at the top of the list.

Just a bad play and worst execution. There are better options:

Throw the ball to KP, let him shoot it, hit a cutter, or let him drive to the hoop facing up, to try and draw a foul.

Melo ISO hasn't hit a game winner in years. Last game winners was JR when he hit 2 game winners during the 54 win season.

I agree and said that there's other guys i wouldn't mind taking the last shot but i'll never have a problem with Melo having the ball in his hands with time running out.

Have you watched the last couple games..
Or last couple of seasons for that matter??