holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has

Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.

Really? lol!

So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?

Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.

I have never heard more nonsense in my life..He boxes out his own man??..Great rebounders boxes out their man and grab the rebound themselves..It is impossible to box out three guys unless you are holding all of them...Impossible!!..You can't control the rebound to your own teammate..Lopez rebounding numbers also increased when he joined Portland, does Aldridge get the credit for boxing out his guy too??

He needs to give more effort rebounding period and stop making excuses..I have never seen anyone get credit for rebounds they didn't grab like Lopez..And he even promotes the narrative..

you should have a look at this article about the sort of rebounds lopez excels at, as opposed to bitch rebounds.

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robin-lopez-and-rebound-value/

So why can't he just grab those "bitch rebounds" and make us all happy...A seven footer grabbing 4 rebounds in 26 mins a game, same as Melo's assist output per game...

the most physically demanding basketball drill outside of suicides is the rebounding drill where coach puts the mini ring on the basket and you are trained to box out your man to the point of making sure the ball actually hits the ground. boxing out is a basketball skill and if lopez does not possess the hops to actually box out AND snare a board then at least he gives a teammate a better opportunity to get a rebound.

his floor impact is threefold: boxing out his man and getting a contested board, rim protection, and making passes in traffic in the pick and roll.

when he does not have floor impact is when he is falling short in these three functions.

the proof is in comparing last year to this year vis a vis the number of rebounds the knicks have versus the opponents. last season they were outrebounded by around 3 a game while this year the knicks are ahead, small sample size notwithstanding, by about 1 rebound a game.

three rebounds a game in favor of the opponent means either preventing a knicks possession or getting an extra possession. either way when you are outrebounded by even one or two boards it can be a real factor between winning and losing, especially when many games are decided by 5 points or less.

think about it.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has

Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.

Really? lol!

So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?

Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.

I have never heard more nonsense in my life..He boxes out his own man??..Great rebounders boxes out their man and grab the rebound themselves..It is impossible to box out three guys unless you are holding all of them...Impossible!!..You can't control the rebound to your own teammate..Lopez rebounding numbers also increased when he joined Portland, does Aldridge get the credit for boxing out his guy too??

He needs to give more effort rebounding period and stop making excuses..I have never seen anyone get credit for rebounds they didn't grab like Lopez..And he even promotes the narrative..

you should have a look at this article about the sort of rebounds lopez excels at, as opposed to bitch rebounds.

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robin-lopez-and-rebound-value/

So why can't he just grab those "bitch rebounds" and make us all happy...A seven footer grabbing 4 rebounds in 26 mins a game, same as Melo's assist output per game...

the most physically demanding basketball drill outside of suicides is the rebounding drill where coach puts the mini ring on the basket and you are trained to box out your man to the point of making sure the ball actually hits the ground. boxing out is a basketball skill and if lopez does not possess the hops to actually box out AND snare a board then at least he gives a teammate a better opportunity to get a rebound.

his floor impact is threefold: boxing out his man and getting a contested board, rim protection, and making passes in traffic in the pick and roll.

when he does not have floor impact is when he is falling short in these three functions.

the proof is in comparing last year to this year vis a vis the number of rebounds the knicks have versus the opponents. last season they were outrebounded by around 3 a game while this year the knicks are ahead, small sample size notwithstanding, by about 1 rebound a game.

three rebounds a game in favor of the opponent means either preventing a knicks possession or getting an extra possession. either way when you are outrebounded by even one or two boards it can be a real factor between winning and losing, especially when many games are decided by 5 points or less.

think about it.

Compare against last year's team??..There were about 10 guys on that team who didn't belong in the NBA..

U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..

oh it's a talent alright. it's how many earth-bound players manage to be effective. it's called getting your ass on your man. (please spare us the cheap and snide sexual remarks, mmk?) if you can't get the rebound then the next best thing os to make sure your assignment doesn't either. i know these nuances are lost on you but that's your problem... along with not actually interpreting the game properly. this anti-lopez thing goes hand in hand with your "let melo freelance" hoooey....

but i get it now-- just because you weren't coached properly-- if at all-- doesn't mean it isn't a skill. clyde mentions it every game: boxing out is a lost art. you want to argue the point i hear there's a restaurant he owns and maybe you can take the greatest knick of all time to task....

holfresh wrote:He is so great at boxing out that opposing starting centers have out rebounded him 48-25 this season...First game of the year Monroe 14 RoLo 2, second game Monroe 7, RoLo 2..So who is doing the boxing out again?

RoLo had one game this year over 4 rebounds..

you idiot i gave you the numbers already. there are people who get paid money to track these things. you're like a rabid dog chasing his own tail.

holfresh wrote:
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..

You make it sound as if everyone boxes out as a matter of course during a game. If you look at the KP put back that you posted, only 1 Buck out of 5 was actually boxing out, or even looking around to see if there were any Knicks in the area.

If everything had gone right for the Bucks at the end of the sequence the guy boxing out would have been taking out the only Knick in the immediate vicinity of the basket, somebody would have bodied up on KP, and one of the other Bucks would have gotten a gift rebound.

It is not something that comes "natural" to some players, and the inconsistencies account for offensive rebounds. Lopez has a wide base, gets low, and puts his arms out wide, frequently pushing back into whoever is behind him. Want to call it a "skill" instead of a "talent," fine, but it is still something that many players don't do well, or do only on an occasional basis.

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..

Its a fundamental basketball skill that has seemingly been forgotten or never learned by a large number of players in this league.

You make it sound as if everyone boxes out as a matter of course during a game. If you look at the KP put back that you posted, only 1 Buck out of 5 was actually boxing out, or even looking around to see if there were any Knicks in the area.

If everything had gone right for the Bucks at the end of the sequence the guy boxing out would have been taking out the only Knick in the immediate vicinity of the basket, somebody would have bodied up on KP, and one of the other Bucks would have gotten a gift rebound.

It is not something that comes "natural" to some players, and the inconsistencies account for offensive rebounds. Lopez has a wide base, gets low, and puts his arms out wide, frequently pushing back into whoever is behind him. Want to call it a "skill" instead of a "talent," fine, but it is still something that many players don't do well, or do only on an occasional basis.

RoLo is the least of our concerns. He's not a star but he's a good big for this team. Not a lot of guys who LOVE all the banging and fighting in the trenches.

holfresh wrote:I'm just amazed you guys have zero qualms making sheet up..Its a complete joke..

You are so F'n annoying! Perhaps you just are not paying enough attention.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think there is a good possibility that Oquinn is simply better than Lopez.

Or it could be that OQ is being put in the perfect position to be very successful in the minutes he has been given.

He doesn't have another big to protect he's on his own yet his play has been excellent. I'd like to think he's earned a chance to play 30 minutes