I want to see if the backcourt if Grant & Affalo will help defensively. If everyone covers their defensive assignments we might get buy but Like in 2012-13 I see us getting destroyed on the boards by elite physical teams if we make the playoffs.

Phil wanted a big brusing rebound magnet like David West at PF. He wanted big butts. Instead we have a tail thin front court with 2 players with 15yr old high school girl bodies trying to out muscle grown freightrains

gunsnewing wrote:Those are good points. Maybe Monroe is not worth the trouble. I just don't understand why we drastically overpaid for Lopez. I'd love Lopez next to Towns, David West etc $8-9mil per but $14mil to hold the Center spot for KP? We have no flexibility now. Lopez would be great off the bench. He can give you the same defensive presence and leadership for 20mins off the bench. I would t mind if he retired a Knick in that role. I don't understand why we kvervalued him when he was very good in his role in Portland playing next to Aldridge. We don't have a player like Aldridge. I just couldn't see a team going out of their way to sign a 20min role player for $14mil per. I don't know why the Knicks always bid against themselves. Now we're are stuck for 4yrs. There's not way you bench KP for KOQ when Lopez is making 14 times KOQ salary.

I want to see if the backcourt if Grant & Affalo will help defensively. If everyone covers their defensive assignments we might get buy but Like in 2012-13 I see us getting destroyed on the boards by elite physical teams if we make the playoffs.

Phil wanted a big brusing rebound magnet like David West at PF. He wanted big butts. Instead we have a tail thin front court with 2 players with 15yr old high school girl bodies trying to out muscle grown freightrains

Melo is better than aldridge .... c'mon man

Also if this was 2 years ago then yea... we probably overpaid giving him Tyson money and then some. But in a year where Carroll got $15mm, Shump got $10mm and countless other insane contracts were handed out to reflect the new cap Lopez'z deal is very friendly. Defensive bigs are always tradable. Lopez is a nice asset to boot.

Im not a Monroe hater, he's got his uses. But he's useless if he's not scoring and your running the offense through him. I would rather put a lunch pale guy there and let those shots come from KP in the post. Lopez fits with this groups new identity, as they try to establish size and physical play.

blkexec wrote:BRIGGS...you are the best fire starter I know. Make up a thread out of left field, get everybody's juices flowing, then you disappear....Sit back in your PJ's and just watch the UK boys have at it. It's like putting a steak in a cage full of lions.

I'm just glad we have some folks that are not afraid to challenge you, and bring up some of the contradictions your made in the past.

No need to entertain this subject. All I would do is repeat what others have said already.

But I did say that OK4 would be a terrible 5 for this team and KP has the same defensive potential as WCS, but with guard like offense.

I still think KP should come off the bench, while Galloway starts. After mid season or next year, KP and Gallo should start, while Rolo comes off the bench. Eitherway, I'm enjoying the development of KP so far, regardless of Fishers inability to put the right combination of players on the court. This is a flaw that may take a few years to correct, and by then, he may be looking towards the Lakers head coaching spot, if not sooner.

7 3 guys should never display any guard skill. Slow the phuck down big guy.

blkexec wrote:BRIGGS...you are the best fire starter I know. Make up a thread out of left field, get everybody's juices flowing, then you disappear....Sit back in your PJ's and just watch the UK boys have at it. It's like putting a steak in a cage full of lions.

I'm just glad we have some folks that are not afraid to challenge you, and bring up some of the contradictions your made in the past.

No need to entertain this subject. All I would do is repeat what others have said already.

But I did say that OK4 would be a terrible 5 for this team and KP has the same defensive potential as WCS, but with guard like offense.

I still think KP should come off the bench, while Galloway starts. After mid season or next year, KP and Gallo should start, while Rolo comes off the bench. Eitherway, I'm enjoying the development of KP so far, regardless of Fishers inability to put the right combination of players on the court. This is a flaw that may take a few years to correct, and by then, he may be looking towards the Lakers head coaching spot, if not sooner.

7 3 guys should never display any guard skill. Slow the phuck down big guy no fancy pancy offense for you!

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:Guns... Lopez is a load. Nobody in the NBA is pushing Lopez around. He's a excellent defender and one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. There is nothing small or skiny about Lopez, and he's a legit rim protector. Honestly I love the prospect of he and KP side by side. He's also a bit nasty, and thats something this team has really lacked. Kinda reminds me of when Clemens signed with the Yanks. Before he came he was dirty. Once we signed him he was gritty. Melo before the signing: "Lopez sets a dirty screen." Melo after the signing "Lopez is a great guy to have on your team."

Also if this was 2 years ago then yea... we probably overpaid giving him Tyson money and then some. But in a year where Carroll got $15mm, Shump got $10mm and countless other insane contracts were handed out to reflect the new cap Lopez'z deal is very friendly. Defensive bigs are always tradable. Lopez is a nice asset to boot.

Im not a Monroe hater, he's got his uses. But he's useless if he's not scoring and your running the offense through him. I would rather put a lunch pale guy there and let those shots come from KP in the post. Lopez fits with this groups new identity, as they try to establish size and physical play.

Lopez is a big that enjoys his role as a defensive player. He's a willing passer and also has a post up game. Thats better than some of the past defensive centers, who had zero offensive game. Lopez causes missed layups, which is a stat thats not tracked. He also sets great picks and he's a locker room leader.

spot on again!

Not everyone has the eyes to appreciate this. Some people just look at stats.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:Guns... Lopez is a load. Nobody in the NBA is pushing Lopez around. He's a excellent defender and one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. There is nothing small or skiny about Lopez, and he's a legit rim protector. Honestly I love the prospect of he and KP side by side. He's also a bit nasty, and thats something this team has really lacked. Kinda reminds me of when Clemens signed with the Yanks. Before he came he was dirty. Once we signed him he was gritty. Melo before the signing: "Lopez sets a dirty screen." Melo after the signing "Lopez is a great guy to have on your team."

Also if this was 2 years ago then yea... we probably overpaid giving him Tyson money and then some. But in a year where Carroll got $15mm, Shump got $10mm and countless other insane contracts were handed out to reflect the new cap Lopez'z deal is very friendly. Defensive bigs are always tradable. Lopez is a nice asset to boot.

Im not a Monroe hater, he's got his uses. But he's useless if he's not scoring and your running the offense through him. I would rather put a lunch pale guy there and let those shots come from KP in the post. Lopez fits with this groups new identity, as they try to establish size and physical play.

Lopez is a big that enjoys his role as a defensive player. He's a willing passer and also has a post up game. Thats better than some of the past defensive centers, who had zero offensive game. Lopez causes missed layups, which is a stat thats not tracked. He also sets great picks and he's a locker room leader.

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:BRIGGS...you are the best fire starter I know. Make up a thread out of left field, get everybody's juices flowing, then you disappear....Sit back in your PJ's and just watch the UK boys have at it. It's like putting a steak in a cage full of lions.

I'm just glad we have some folks that are not afraid to challenge you, and bring up some of the contradictions your made in the past.

No need to entertain this subject. All I would do is repeat what others have said already.

But I did say that OK4 would be a terrible 5 for this team and KP has the same defensive potential as WCS, but with guard like offense.

I still think KP should come off the bench, while Galloway starts. After mid season or next year, KP and Gallo should start, while Rolo comes off the bench. Eitherway, I'm enjoying the development of KP so far, regardless of Fishers inability to put the right combination of players on the court. This is a flaw that may take a few years to correct, and by then, he may be looking towards the Lakers head coaching spot, if not sooner.

7 3 guys should never display any guard skill. Slow the phuck down big guy no fancy pancy offense for you!

What? Nobody cares what you and I think a 7'3 guy should do. So how about you slow the phuck down. KP is going to be KP, regardless what you think when sitting on your coach potatoe pushing the remote.

You guys kill me.....You have no control over nobody but yourself. KP is a 7'3 big with a jumper like a guard. If you don't like it, move on to another team. Nobody wants to hear anybody cry over something they can't change. All I did is state the obvious. If you want to change KP by removing his guard like skills, then go ahead. But you are wasting time talking about it to me! Turn on the TV, and you will see your words mean nothing to what KP is or going to be.

KP's potential on both sides of the ball is off the charts. He can shoot that jumper over everyone. He missed a banker last night but not by much. When you consider his length, and his ability to drive, attack the rim, hit jumpers, floaters, bankers and the 3 if he's open this can really be a KG type player. As Ive said before... just stay healthy baby!

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:Guns... Lopez is a load. Nobody in the NBA is pushing Lopez around. He's a excellent defender and one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. There is nothing small or skiny about Lopez, and he's a legit rim protector. Honestly I love the prospect of he and KP side by side. He's also a bit nasty, and thats something this team has really lacked. Kinda reminds me of when Clemens signed with the Yanks. Before he came he was dirty. Once we signed him he was gritty. Melo before the signing: "Lopez sets a dirty screen." Melo after the signing "Lopez is a great guy to have on your team."

Also if this was 2 years ago then yea... we probably overpaid giving him Tyson money and then some. But in a year where Carroll got $15mm, Shump got $10mm and countless other insane contracts were handed out to reflect the new cap Lopez'z deal is very friendly. Defensive bigs are always tradable. Lopez is a nice asset to boot.

Im not a Monroe hater, he's got his uses. But he's useless if he's not scoring and your running the offense through him. I would rather put a lunch pale guy there and let those shots come from KP in the post. Lopez fits with this groups new identity, as they try to establish size and physical play.

Lopez is a big that enjoys his role as a defensive player. He's a willing passer and also has a post up game. Thats better than some of the past defensive centers, who had zero offensive game. Lopez causes missed layups, which is a stat thats not tracked. He also sets great picks and he's a locker room leader.

Also, we should think of it as Lopez/KOQ vs. Monroe. We got two legitimate NBA bigs for the price of Monroe. Yes, we needed talent. But this team also needed depth in the interior.

This. Not paying Monroe, enabled us to have basically 2 quality lineups(Hoze-Zay not included). Having depth is a luxury, which Fisher unfortunately decided to go against lately.

Just need Afflalo back to balance the roster out, and you'll see Lopez good post passing skills finally. He can't dish to cutters when they don't cut (freakin' Hose-Zay).

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I was going to create a Lopez is a dud thread but I will just use this.

He isn't cutting it. Maybe he can do some nice things here and there but he isn't productive enough and produces at the rate of a 18min bench player. We need an upgrade at the starting center position. KP is going to have to basically become KG/Dirk/Gasol PF/C.

Dieng from the Wolves is now being underused since they have Towns and they want to space the floor with a stretch 4 rather then go big with Towns and Dieng.

We need to get him before Dallas Mavericks do what they do and make a trade for him. His skill set is perfect for the triangle.

Lopez was the upgrade.
Not sure what some were expecting other than some think for the money we should be getting more.
The kid is no star and never will be. He is an average center who plays a lot of games, rebounds and defends the rim.
Might not like the price tag he got, but that's market rate in this time and place.

He is an upgrade over what we had last yr. But he still isnt anything to write home about. Im not going to complain about the price tag. Or expect him to turn into something he isn't. Instead we should look for a high caliber starting center. He can be a quality guy to have off the bench.