mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:the only 3 I would like to see him shoot is in transition. Doesnt even have to be fast break. I am just talking about when the offense is coming down the floor. Often the defense is setting up and whoever has KP will position at the top of the paint as most defenders do when they guard a big. Simply have KP stop at the top of the arc. If his guy isnt coming out he should take that straight away 3 every time. Spread that defense.

I do not want him taking set shots from 3. That is NOT a better shot than from 12-15 feet where KP seems automatic.

Like the other day when Horford took those 3s againt the Knicks. Where they set shots? No... just a case of him standing on the 3 point line as the offense and defense were getting set up. They passed him the ball, nobody guarded him, he took the shot. Like that.

If you want to call 3's for KP then you have a 7'3 guy standing 25+ feet from the hoop. That is pure basketball retardation. Like those putback dunks? Thats not happening when he's 25 feet away. He should be around the paint.

Nothing wrong with using him to spread the floor, but his primary role should always have him in the paint area or close to it.

credibility killer ... sorry

please tell me what percentage (automatic) that you expect him to hit from 12-15.

please tell me that if he can shoot 35 percent from 3 that you don't think that he should take them of picks and slips if he is open and if his slow defender won't come out.

please tell me if you think that any good GM or coach agrees with this silliness. Of course not unless they are old and stupid.

Even old school phil does not see this your way.

Take the highest percentage shot based on matchups and shot charting. Why is this so complicated?

please tell me when you shoot from 25 feet away you are in the same position on the floor as when you shoot 12-15 feet away.

Why have a guy who is 7'3 around the paint to crash the offensive boards?

Time for the eye test. KP is getting to the foul line. KP is dunking. KP is causing problems on the offensive boards. KP is shooting .200 from 3 point range. Should he just shoot his way out of it?

You tell me... lets get some credibility going here. You have seen KP in the NBA for 5 games. How many 3's should he taking? Should the coach be calling plays for him?

Go play coach and tell me. Taking your tallest and longest player away from the paint where those rare attributes have the biggest impact is poor baskeball.

Tell you one thing... as a defense I LOVE seeing Horford shoot from 3. Yes.. please take 3 of those a game instead of attacking the rim where you force defenses to collapse, pressure the defense by drawing contact, give your offensive rebounders a chance to follow you to the basket. Every 3 Horford takes is one that Korver isnt.
Every 3 Horford takes is a shot KP, Rolo or KOQ dont have to defend him on
Every 3 Horford takes is a shot where the Hawk's best big is not in a position to get an offensive rebound
Every 3 Horford takes is a shot where anyone can defend him.

See how this works?

May the silliness continue...

You like #s?
KP is shooting 50% from point blank
KP is shooting 46% from 3-10 feet
KP is shooting 43% from 10-16
KP is shooting 50% from 16-3 (long 2s)
KP is shooting 20% from 3

So all I hear you saying you want our longest tallest player shooting more from where he is 20% and cant impact the game in paint, and calling anyone stupid or silly who fails to see that logic.

Do I have this wrong?

good post. So basically, we have judged him after 5 games and determined that he should take most of his shots right inside the arc where he has proven to be most effective.

Got it! Well done.

Are you smarter than the pros fishmike? Briggs would answer yes but you are too smart to answer yes (i would think).

It was a good post.. I appreciate you recognizing that. So when Melo is cold you want him to stop shooting. But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions... how many 3's a game do you want KP taking? What % seems reasonable?

You have not backed up your arguements at all except to revert to taking jabs.

I have said that I like him taking that open spot up 3, even though he's only hitting .200
I have stated my reasons why I wouldnt want him taking 3's as set plays.
You used Al Horford as an example as of the "new NBA" that Briggs (and I guess myself) cant grasp. Its by far his lowest % shot and removes his size from the equation. Your right... Im dumb and just dont get it. Bad eyes maybe?

Ok ... lets backup here ... no need for either of us to jab

I don't have a number of 3's that I want KP to take, I think that is exactly the thinking that I am trying to avoid. I want him to take as many open 3's as he can get provided that he can't dominate his defender from 0-3 feet. Its all based on matchups.

Please look at stats for shooting areas, I think that it will surprise you. And, this is the reason that the game is changing. You and Briggs don't agree with what Atlanta is doing with Horford? DO YOU SEE HOW THAT SOUNDS? Atlanta knows good and well what they are doing and guess what, its working!

And you keep missing the value of pulling out the clogging defender. Do you think that Cleveland wanted KP sitting in the lane and waiting for the penetrators? Of course not! They wanted to pull him out to chase love behind the arc. Even if Love is not shooting that well, the value of him opening up the floor is something that you are missing. The NBA is no longer missing this huge advantage.

Dirk shot 20% from 3 his first season and we want to judge our silky smooth rookie after 5 games?

What is working is is when he's around the basket he's very good. He's also very good from the long 2. What is also working is he's getting putbacks and is drawing fouls, two things that he doesnt have opportunity for parked 30 feet from the basket.

I 100% see the value of pulling out the defender, and that is why I see he and Melo as a fantastic tandem at the forward. Both can thrive in the post, both force their defenders to follow them out of the paint.

Open 3's take em.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:the only 3 I would like to see him shoot is in transition. Doesnt even have to be fast break. I am just talking about when the offense is coming down the floor. Often the defense is setting up and whoever has KP will position at the top of the paint as most defenders do when they guard a big. Simply have KP stop at the top of the arc. If his guy isnt coming out he should take that straight away 3 every time. Spread that defense.

I do not want him taking set shots from 3. That is NOT a better shot than from 12-15 feet where KP seems automatic.

Like the other day when Horford took those 3s againt the Knicks. Where they set shots? No... just a case of him standing on the 3 point line as the offense and defense were getting set up. They passed him the ball, nobody guarded him, he took the shot. Like that.

If you want to call 3's for KP then you have a 7'3 guy standing 25+ feet from the hoop. That is pure basketball retardation. Like those putback dunks? Thats not happening when he's 25 feet away. He should be around the paint.

Nothing wrong with using him to spread the floor, but his primary role should always have him in the paint area or close to it.

credibility killer ... sorry

please tell me what percentage (automatic) that you expect him to hit from 12-15.

please tell me that if he can shoot 35 percent from 3 that you don't think that he should take them of picks and slips if he is open and if his slow defender won't come out.

please tell me if you think that any good GM or coach agrees with this silliness. Of course not unless they are old and stupid.

Even old school phil does not see this your way.

Take the highest percentage shot based on matchups and shot charting. Why is this so complicated?

please tell me when you shoot from 25 feet away you are in the same position on the floor as when you shoot 12-15 feet away.

Why have a guy who is 7'3 around the paint to crash the offensive boards?

Time for the eye test. KP is getting to the foul line. KP is dunking. KP is causing problems on the offensive boards. KP is shooting .200 from 3 point range. Should he just shoot his way out of it?

You tell me... lets get some credibility going here. You have seen KP in the NBA for 5 games. How many 3's should he taking? Should the coach be calling plays for him?

Go play coach and tell me. Taking your tallest and longest player away from the paint where those rare attributes have the biggest impact is poor baskeball.

Tell you one thing... as a defense I LOVE seeing Horford shoot from 3. Yes.. please take 3 of those a game instead of attacking the rim where you force defenses to collapse, pressure the defense by drawing contact, give your offensive rebounders a chance to follow you to the basket. Every 3 Horford takes is one that Korver isnt.
Every 3 Horford takes is a shot KP, Rolo or KOQ dont have to defend him on
Every 3 Horford takes is a shot where the Hawk's best big is not in a position to get an offensive rebound
Every 3 Horford takes is a shot where anyone can defend him.

See how this works?

May the silliness continue...

You like #s?
KP is shooting 50% from point blank
KP is shooting 46% from 3-10 feet
KP is shooting 43% from 10-16
KP is shooting 50% from 16-3 (long 2s)
KP is shooting 20% from 3

So all I hear you saying you want our longest tallest player shooting more from where he is 20% and cant impact the game in paint, and calling anyone stupid or silly who fails to see that logic.

Do I have this wrong?

good post. So basically, we have judged him after 5 games and determined that he should take most of his shots right inside the arc where he has proven to be most effective.

Got it! Well done.

Are you smarter than the pros fishmike? Briggs would answer yes but you are too smart to answer yes (i would think).

It was a good post.. I appreciate you recognizing that. So when Melo is cold you want him to stop shooting. But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions... how many 3's a game do you want KP taking? What % seems reasonable?

You have not backed up your arguements at all except to revert to taking jabs.

I have said that I like him taking that open spot up 3, even though he's only hitting .200
I have stated my reasons why I wouldnt want him taking 3's as set plays.
You used Al Horford as an example as of the "new NBA" that Briggs (and I guess myself) cant grasp. Its by far his lowest % shot and removes his size from the equation. Your right... Im dumb and just dont get it. Bad eyes maybe?

Ok ... lets backup here ... no need for either of us to jab

I don't have a number of 3's that I want KP to take, I think that is exactly the thinking that I am trying to avoid. I want him to take as many open 3's as he can get provided that he can't dominate his defender from 0-3 feet. Its all based on matchups.

Please look at stats for shooting areas, I think that it will surprise you. And, this is the reason that the game is changing. You and Briggs don't agree with what Atlanta is doing with Horford? DO YOU SEE HOW THAT SOUNDS? Atlanta knows good and well what they are doing and guess what, its working!

And you keep missing the value of pulling out the clogging defender. Do you think that Cleveland wanted KP sitting in the lane and waiting for the penetrators? Of course not! They wanted to pull him out to chase love behind the arc. Even if Love is not shooting that well, the value of him opening up the floor is something that you are missing. The NBA is no longer missing this huge advantage.

Dirk shot 20% from 3 his first season and we want to judge our silky smooth rookie after 5 games?

Im not judging him after 5 games. I am saying go with what works.

What is working is is when he's around the basket he's very good. He's also very good from the long 2. What is also working is he's getting putbacks and is drawing fouls, two things that he doesnt have opportunity for parked 30 feet from the basket.

I 100% see the value of pulling out the defender, and that is why I see he and Melo as a fantastic tandem at the forward. Both can thrive in the post, both force their defenders to follow them out of the paint.

Open 3's take em.

you picked up that 30 feet line from briggs. 30 feet? C'mon!

Open 3. I agree. As many as he gets or whatever the defense gives.

What works? Of course we don't know what works. What I can tell you is that nobody shoots the long 2 at 50 percent. Duncan shot it at 40 percent and that is WAY above average.

Again, the best shots are at the basket and behind the arc. Anything in the middle is settling but of course is gonna happen if thats the best shot that the defense gives you.

You like Aldridges shot selection? Its horrible.

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:One thing thats really amazing about Porzingis is his ability to cover ground in a hurry. Check out how fast he gets from the three point line to the rim. Im not talking about driving to the rim, getting there for a rebound, a pass, you name it.

KP could end up being the most versatile player for his size who ever played the game. Porzingis is a gym rat, he works on everything. As long as that's how he approaches his game, I have no problem with him doing the things that most 7'3 players normally dont do.

Also plays the passing lanes well because of his quickness, length, and, more importantly, his anticipation.

What's makes this all amazing for me is that his body is clearly underdeveloped- less developed than all of the top 10 picks, and perhaps in the entire draft. Everything you are now seeing from him physically at this point will be magnified over the next few years as he works on his body and matures... and all of it will be wrapped up in a 7'3" body, which makes it even more amazing.

Less developed physically, but he's been a pro for the last few years which is helping him learn the NBA game at a nice clip. If Porzingis can develop his shoulders, that will help him take the punishment under the rim, more important than developing guns IMO.

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...

I will.

His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.

His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.

thats not my question…

But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking?

Yes, it was your question.

my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?

I don't have any number in mind.

As for "how many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?"

I can't answer you in games. Better question would be how many SEASONS. As mentioned several times now, Nowitzski shot .206 his rookie SEASON.

He improved each of his first 4 seasons, and then went backwards for 2 … because the NBA. He did not shoot over .400 until his 7th season and did not shoot his career high until his … wait for it… 12th season.

There isn't a single or double digit # of games you, I or anyone else can name that comes off as reasonable to an informed NBA fan.

But "5" is ludicrous.

post game reporter: Coach.... KP is struggling from 3. He took another 5 tonight and hit 1, but he's been scoring well near the basket. Are you trying to get him more shots closer to the rim until he's hitting that 3?
Fisher: Why go with what is working? Its only 5 games. We are going to keep having him shoot it.

Like that?

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...

I will.

His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.

His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.

thats not my question... my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?

How many should Melo take? How many should have dirk taken before he removed that from his repertoire?

You think that he should only that spot up open threes? I agree! And that is for everyone else as well. No stupid heat check macho low percentage / inefficient shots (from anywhere).

Melo is pretty balanced. One thing that jumps out at me from his shot chart that needs to go away is the 16ft-3pt range. We have all seen him hit but thats the one to go away. 25% from 3, 25% from 0-3 (attack the basket) and 50% from the midrange elbow. He's pretty close to that. The long 2 sucks but alot of those are late in the shot clock etc... Regardless its not just the distance, with Melo its the quality but every scorer takes em

Honestly that's the shot that drives me mad- Melo holds the ball, all 4 other players hide at the other side of the court behind the three point line, standing perfectly still. Melo stands still. Other players stand still. Melo stands still. Melo raises his arms... And hoists up a long contested two. Clang. Amare used to do this too. It goes in once every ten games!

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...

I will.

His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.

His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.

thats not my question... my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?

How many should Melo take? How many should have dirk taken before he removed that from his repertoire?

You think that he should only that spot up open threes? I agree! And that is for everyone else as well. No stupid heat check macho low percentage / inefficient shots (from anywhere).

Melo is pretty balanced. One thing that jumps out at me from his shot chart that needs to go away is the 16ft-3pt range. We have all seen him hit but thats the one to go away. 25% from 3, 25% from 0-3 (attack the basket) and 50% from the midrange elbow. He's pretty close to that. The long 2 sucks but alot of those are late in the shot clock etc... Regardless its not just the distance, with Melo its the quality but every scorer takes em

Balance is important but it really should all be dictated by matchups.

Saying that all scorers take the 16-23 footer does not make it ok. Aldridge took a ton of these too but it was still horrible. Todays scorers are shooting far far less of those and it is really not acceptable anymore.

Lebron has been taking more and more of those and its really ugly to see. He has Jose Calderon on him and he chucks a 20 footer? gross.

Telling a scorer to never take bad shots is like telling a power hitter to never swing and miss. It just comes with the territory. Lebron takes em. They all do.

Its more than just numbers. Its flow of the game, and those shots establish position also. If you dont ever shoot from mid range nobody will guard you there. These guys NEED the defense to respect that shot. Its a shot that establishes space, and plenty go in. You cant just take a sample and eliminate the least effective. Its a lot like pitching. A guy's curve might be his worst pitch. So why throw it? Because you need to keep the hitter honest. This is no different. You can chart trends and shots but BB isnt an Xs and Os game, its spontaneous creation and flow. Good habits yield better results... Im with you there. 100%! Open 3's if you have the range are good ones. Contested not so much. I dont want KP taking 3's that *can* be contested. No silly high screens out there. If he's open on a kick out when someone else is posting yes. Fine. Lets get KP some shots... 3s? NO. Post? YES.

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...

I will.

His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.

His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.

thats not my question…

But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking?

Yes, it was your question.

my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?

I don't have any number in mind.

As for "how many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?"

I can't answer you in games. Better question would be how many SEASONS. As mentioned several times now, Nowitzski shot .206 his rookie SEASON.

He improved each of his first 4 seasons, and then went backwards for 2 … because the NBA. He did not shoot over .400 until his 7th season and did not shoot his career high until his … wait for it… 12th season.

There isn't a single or double digit # of games you, I or anyone else can name that comes off as reasonable to an informed NBA fan.

But "5" is ludicrous.

the only thing that is ludicrous is ignoring what is happening right in front of your eyes.

Harden is shooting 9-55 (.164) right in front of our eyes.

So he should stop shooting 3s?

15 shots means NOTHING in the NBA. It's utterly random small sample size.

Until YOU can distinguish the fact YOU'RE making the typical mistake of putting extra weight into those 15 shots because it's his first 15 shots, this will go nowhere.

He could go 4-4 tonight and your entire premise collapses and changes.

Mine would stay exactly the same. 4-4 wouldn't make a damn bit of difference either.

Based on your logic Mudiay should never shoot the damn ball ever again and h should probably only hand it to teammates rather than pass it.

Oh wait… he'll probably get better?

Who knew...

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...

I will.

His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.

His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.

thats not my question…

But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking?

Yes, it was your question.

my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?

I don't have any number in mind.

As for "how many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?"

I can't answer you in games. Better question would be how many SEASONS. As mentioned several times now, Nowitzski shot .206 his rookie SEASON.

He improved each of his first 4 seasons, and then went backwards for 2 … because the NBA. He did not shoot over .400 until his 7th season and did not shoot his career high until his … wait for it… 12th season.

There isn't a single or double digit # of games you, I or anyone else can name that comes off as reasonable to an informed NBA fan.

But "5" is ludicrous.

the only thing that is ludicrous is ignoring what is happening right in front of your eyes.

Harden is shooting 9-55 (.164) right in front of our eyes.

So he should stop shooting 3s?

15 shots means NOTHING in the NBA. It's utterly random small sample size.

Until YOU can distinguish the fact YOU'RE making the typical mistake of putting extra weight into those 15 shots because it's his first 15 shots, this will go nowhere.

He could go 4-4 tonight and your entire premise collapses and changes.

Mine would stay exactly the same. 4-4 wouldn't make a damn bit of difference either.

Based on your logic Mudiay should never shoot the damn ball ever again and h should probably only hand it to teammates rather than pass it.

Oh wait… he'll probably get better?

Who knew...

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...

I will.

His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.

His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.

thats not my question…

But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking?

Yes, it was your question.

my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?

I don't have any number in mind.

As for "how many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?"

I can't answer you in games. Better question would be how many SEASONS. As mentioned several times now, Nowitzski shot .206 his rookie SEASON.

He improved each of his first 4 seasons, and then went backwards for 2 … because the NBA. He did not shoot over .400 until his 7th season and did not shoot his career high until his … wait for it… 12th season.

There isn't a single or double digit # of games you, I or anyone else can name that comes off as reasonable to an informed NBA fan.

But "5" is ludicrous.

the only thing that is ludicrous is ignoring what is happening right in front of your eyes.

Harden is shooting 9-55 (.164) right in front of our eyes.

So he should stop shooting 3s?

15 shots means NOTHING in the NBA. It's utterly random small sample size.

Until YOU can distinguish the fact YOU'RE making the typical mistake of putting extra weight into those 15 shots because it's his first 15 shots, this will go nowhere.

He could go 4-4 tonight and your entire premise collapses and changes.

Mine would stay exactly the same. 4-4 wouldn't make a damn bit of difference either.

Based on your logic Mudiay should never shoot the damn ball ever again and h should probably only hand it to teammates rather than pass it.

Oh wait… he'll probably get better?

Who knew...

Good call... James Harden and KP. Lets compare a 7'3 player with a 7'8 wingspan to a shooting guard. Good call. You win.

Porzingis is rewriting the books, beleeeeve fishmike, beleeeve.

I will entertain this thread in a few sentences. Let KP be KP....

Why do you think Phil and Fisher made him a PF?
Why do you think Phil loaded the team up with rebounding / old school / new school PF's?

Phil understands that KP is not the normal / old school 7'3 center in the past. He's a unique player that doesn't have a definition. KP has the potential to play all 5 positions.

It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 games.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 weeks.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 months.

BRIGGS, it's time that you catchup with the new school. Sounds like old azz Phil is more up to speed than you are. And thats sad. Don't put KP into a box with other centers, thats the worse thing anybody can do. He's not Duncan, and he will never be Duncan. He's not Dirk or KG.....

His game doesn't follow other players, from what I see. So instead of placing mental boundaries around him, let him develop first. Put Melo in a box if you like. Same with Calderon and Rolo.....Those vets have reached their max. Don't waste time with our big 3......Grant, Gallo, KP (THE FUTURE)

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14043466

Couldnt watch it on my ipad but Legler broke the play down.