holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:After the Knicks win vs the Wiz, there were no Carmelo Anthony threads after his quality performance. Chuckbuck was nowhere to be seen or heard from. The only person consistent in there critique or praise of Melo is Mreinman.

Melo post up some poor shooting fg%s so far which are all career lows at the moment. He does hold a 206win share per 48 though, and is tied for 12 in the NBA in win shares. He is shooting 7.8ft attempts per game at 90ft%, has only 1.5 Tos per game and 3.5ast. 6.8rebs and 1.3stls. If he upped his FG and 3pt % by finding his stoke, I would take those numbers all day.

I understand the frustration as Melo is frustrating to watch sometimes. Yea the offense got stagnant and Melo tried to take over and put the team on his back the only way he thinks he knows how. We need ball handler that can take that pressure off of him. Grant isn't ready for that, Calderon looks cooked. This is all a process though. Phil has improved the team drastically from last season and may have found a future franchise player, the front courts looks solid. Now the next step is we need to upgrade our guard play.

Hey I let the homers and Melo dik suckers have their 1 (out of 4 games) day in the sun.

No need to piss in the kool aid, if it leads to a Knick win, amirite?

Listen, I am all for the Knicks success. That said, I am a realist at the same time. The way this team is currently constructed is contrarian to what Melo's MO is. Melo's personal goals and team goals are: A)Shoot the rock. B)Win the championship without sacrificing shooting the rock. C)If championship eludes you with the Knicks, be a hired gun for a future team willing to take on your salary.

Knicks are sooooo far from competing for a championship during Melo's remaining tenure, it's safe to see where this is headed. Could be sooner rather than later.

I have to wonder about this phony outrage you have suddenly come to embrace...You remind me a lot of those republican congressman who gets arrested in the bathroom stall of an airport trying to pick up men...The same ones who draft the most anti-gay legislation imaginable...

No need to tell us about your weekend activities holfresh!

No phony outrage. If the $124m man isn't up to snuff, I will call him out. Every. Single. Time.

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:After the Knicks win vs the Wiz, there were no Carmelo Anthony threads after his quality performance. Chuckbuck was nowhere to be seen or heard from. The only person consistent in there critique or praise of Melo is Mreinman.

Melo post up some poor shooting fg%s so far which are all career lows at the moment. He does hold a 206win share per 48 though, and is tied for 12 in the NBA in win shares. He is shooting 7.8ft attempts per game at 90ft%, has only 1.5 Tos per game and 3.5ast. 6.8rebs and 1.3stls. If he upped his FG and 3pt % by finding his stoke, I would take those numbers all day.

I understand the frustration as Melo is frustrating to watch sometimes. Yea the offense got stagnant and Melo tried to take over and put the team on his back the only way he thinks he knows how. We need ball handler that can take that pressure off of him. Grant isn't ready for that, Calderon looks cooked. This is all a process though. Phil has improved the team drastically from last season and may have found a future franchise player, the front courts looks solid. Now the next step is we need to upgrade our guard play.

Hey I let the homers and Melo dik suckers have their 1 (out of 4 games) day in the sun.

No need to piss in the kool aid, if it leads to a Knick win, amirite?

Listen, I am all for the Knicks success. That said, I am a realist at the same time. The way this team is currently constructed is contrarian to what Melo's MO is. Melo's personal goals and team goals are: A)Shoot the rock. B)Win the championship without sacrificing shooting the rock. C)If championship eludes you with the Knicks, be a hired gun for a future team willing to take on your salary.

Knicks are sooooo far from competing for a championship during Melo's remaining tenure, it's safe to see where this is headed. Could be sooner rather than later.

I have to wonder about this phony outrage you have suddenly come to embrace...You remind me a lot of those republican congressman who gets arrested in the bathroom stall of an airport trying to pick up men...The same ones who draft the most anti-gay legislation imaginable...

No need to tell us about your weekend activities holfresh!

No phony outrage. If the $124m man isn't up to snuff, I will call him out. Every. Single. Time.

Big Melo supporter suddenly turn Melo hater over the top extraordinaire in his resurgence...Hmmmmmmmm...tkf and guns are believable, you my friend, not...

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:After the Knicks win vs the Wiz, there were no Carmelo Anthony threads after his quality performance. Chuckbuck was nowhere to be seen or heard from. The only person consistent in there critique or praise of Melo is Mreinman.

Melo post up some poor shooting fg%s so far which are all career lows at the moment. He does hold a 206win share per 48 though, and is tied for 12 in the NBA in win shares. He is shooting 7.8ft attempts per game at 90ft%, has only 1.5 Tos per game and 3.5ast. 6.8rebs and 1.3stls. If he upped his FG and 3pt % by finding his stoke, I would take those numbers all day.

I understand the frustration as Melo is frustrating to watch sometimes. Yea the offense got stagnant and Melo tried to take over and put the team on his back the only way he thinks he knows how. We need ball handler that can take that pressure off of him. Grant isn't ready for that, Calderon looks cooked. This is all a process though. Phil has improved the team drastically from last season and may have found a future franchise player, the front courts looks solid. Now the next step is we need to upgrade our guard play.

Hey I let the homers and Melo dik suckers have their 1 (out of 4 games) day in the sun.

No need to piss in the kool aid, if it leads to a Knick win, amirite?

Listen, I am all for the Knicks success. That said, I am a realist at the same time. The way this team is currently constructed is contrarian to what Melo's MO is. Melo's personal goals and team goals are: A)Shoot the rock. B)Win the championship without sacrificing shooting the rock. C)If championship eludes you with the Knicks, be a hired gun for a future team willing to take on your salary.

Knicks are sooooo far from competing for a championship during Melo's remaining tenure, it's safe to see where this is headed. Could be sooner rather than later.

I have to wonder about this phony outrage you have suddenly come to embrace...You remind me a lot of those republican congressman who gets arrested in the bathroom stall of an airport trying to pick up men...The same ones who draft the most anti-gay legislation imaginable...

No need to tell us about your weekend activities holfresh!

No phony outrage. If the $124m man isn't up to snuff, I will call him out. Every. Single. Time.

Big Melo supporter suddenly turn Melo hater over the top extraordinaire in his resurgence...Hmmmmmmmm...tkf and guns are believable, you my friend, not...

I'm born again, what can I say! Took me a couple seasons to see the light.

From the creator of the Youtube Melo thread with blind homerism, to finally seeing a player for what they truly are.

It's truly a breath of fresh air, taking off the rose colored glasses finally...Hallelujah!!!

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:After the Knicks win vs the Wiz, there were no Carmelo Anthony threads after his quality performance. Chuckbuck was nowhere to be seen or heard from. The only person consistent in there critique or praise of Melo is Mreinman.

Melo post up some poor shooting fg%s so far which are all career lows at the moment. He does hold a 206win share per 48 though, and is tied for 12 in the NBA in win shares. He is shooting 7.8ft attempts per game at 90ft%, has only 1.5 Tos per game and 3.5ast. 6.8rebs and 1.3stls. If he upped his FG and 3pt % by finding his stoke, I would take those numbers all day.

I understand the frustration as Melo is frustrating to watch sometimes. Yea the offense got stagnant and Melo tried to take over and put the team on his back the only way he thinks he knows how. We need ball handler that can take that pressure off of him. Grant isn't ready for that, Calderon looks cooked. This is all a process though. Phil has improved the team drastically from last season and may have found a future franchise player, the front courts looks solid. Now the next step is we need to upgrade our guard play.

Hey I let the homers and Melo dik suckers have their 1 (out of 4 games) day in the sun.

No need to piss in the kool aid, if it leads to a Knick win, amirite?

Listen, I am all for the Knicks success. That said, I am a realist at the same time. The way this team is currently constructed is contrarian to what Melo's MO is. Melo's personal goals and team goals are: A)Shoot the rock. B)Win the championship without sacrificing shooting the rock. C)If championship eludes you with the Knicks, be a hired gun for a future team willing to take on your salary.

Knicks are sooooo far from competing for a championship during Melo's remaining tenure, it's safe to see where this is headed. Could be sooner rather than later.

Y would you piss in the kool aid over a win in which Melo played well if you are a Knicks fan? The fact that you can't even celebrate a Knicks win if Melo plays well is very telling and pretty sad.

Like I said before nobody created a Melo love thread after the game vs Washington. Melo lovers and Dik riders included. There clearly isn't as much a need for Melo Dik riders to praise Melo as there seems to be a need for Melo haters to bash him.

What interesting is that most fans who tend to be the Melo lovers and Dik riders are the fans who have been on these boards yrs and yrs and yrs before Melo ever became a Knick. While a guy like you only seemed to have joined these boards after Melo became a Knick. I can't even think of any interest you have shown the Knicks outside of Melo.

LOL, I used to be Melo's biggest fan then this happened:

I'll root for the Knicks under any circumstances, even if involves a Melo game winner or overall good game. I just don't see him in the long term plans is all.

You a Knicks fan or a Melo(er)?

I'm just messing with you brah.

Its a process, you don't have to believe in Melo, you just got to believe in Phil. He fixed the frontcourt and got a potential stud in KP. Next will be the guard play.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:After the Knicks win vs the Wiz, there were no Carmelo Anthony threads after his quality performance. Chuckbuck was nowhere to be seen or heard from. The only person consistent in there critique or praise of Melo is Mreinman.

Melo post up some poor shooting fg%s so far which are all career lows at the moment. He does hold a 206win share per 48 though, and is tied for 12 in the NBA in win shares. He is shooting 7.8ft attempts per game at 90ft%, has only 1.5 Tos per game and 3.5ast. 6.8rebs and 1.3stls. If he upped his FG and 3pt % by finding his stoke, I would take those numbers all day.

I understand the frustration as Melo is frustrating to watch sometimes. Yea the offense got stagnant and Melo tried to take over and put the team on his back the only way he thinks he knows how. We need ball handler that can take that pressure off of him. Grant isn't ready for that, Calderon looks cooked. This is all a process though. Phil has improved the team drastically from last season and may have found a future franchise player, the front courts looks solid. Now the next step is we need to upgrade our guard play.

Hey I let the homers and Melo dik suckers have their 1 (out of 4 games) day in the sun.

No need to piss in the kool aid, if it leads to a Knick win, amirite?

Listen, I am all for the Knicks success. That said, I am a realist at the same time. The way this team is currently constructed is contrarian to what Melo's MO is. Melo's personal goals and team goals are: A)Shoot the rock. B)Win the championship without sacrificing shooting the rock. C)If championship eludes you with the Knicks, be a hired gun for a future team willing to take on your salary.

Knicks are sooooo far from competing for a championship during Melo's remaining tenure, it's safe to see where this is headed. Could be sooner rather than later.

Y would you piss in the kool aid over a win in which Melo played well if you are a Knicks fan? The fact that you can't even celebrate a Knicks win if Melo plays well is very telling and pretty sad.

Like I said before nobody created a Melo love thread after the game vs Washington. Melo lovers and Dik riders included. There clearly isn't as much a need for Melo Dik riders to praise Melo as there seems to be a need for Melo haters to bash him.

What interesting is that most fans who tend to be the Melo lovers and Dik riders are the fans who have been on these boards yrs and yrs and yrs before Melo ever became a Knick. While a guy like you only seemed to have joined these boards after Melo became a Knick. I can't even think of any interest you have shown the Knicks outside of Melo.

LOL, I used to be Melo's biggest fan then this happened:

I'll root for the Knicks under any circumstances, even if involves a Melo game winner or overall good game. I just don't see him in the long term plans is all.

You a Knicks fan or a Melo(er)?

I'm just messing with you brah.

Its a process, you don't have to believe in Melo, you just got to believe in Phil. He fixed the frontcourt and got a potential stud in KP. Next will be the guard play.

Pretty much. I like most of the picks and acquisitions so far. Hate Calderon, Sasha getting close to hate level. Seraphim needs to get on nutrisystem or biggest loser diet. Love KP6, Grant, Galloway, KOQ, RoLo. Afflalo needs to rub some dirt or icy hot on that hammy and get in there soon, or he gets to hate level. Early, no feelings for or against. DWill when he's in instinctive attack mode, he's good, when he overthinks, he's bad.

You already know how I feel about the other guy...but yes I do believe in Phil's plan.

I like that, you should go Bill Parcells and start referring to him as "the player".

wargames wrote:You guys need to chill. Melo is needed and honestly the best chance the knicks have to win in the immediate future is for Melo to still be in the last part of his prime while KP begins to get into his. The knicks would then be just 1 high level player away from legit having a chance at a championship.

Yep if Lebron comes here we certainly can win.

gunsnewing wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He takes 20 shots a game and hes a feast or famine player. He winces every game --its just not going to be a fit where we are and where he is. Hed be better off on a team he can form into that is ahead of the Knicks--this Knick team is a team that needs to build an independent identity with play that does not focus on coming down and getting Melo the ball 2 out of 3 plays. And some of that is not Melo's fault he just came to a team 5 years ago that desperately needed a player to take command--its just not going to work big here. If you cant win with it you change it --if you can.

Would love to send Melo to Wiz for B-Beal package-- maybe with Nene included but don't see Wiz being dumb enough to do that. Beal would be great fit in triangle and next to KP6 for next8 years or so.

That is my hope

My hope is we poach Batum away from Charlotte in the offseason to be the starting SG.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

At this moment, in critical situations, who can we trust as a ball handler to create and make the right reads. Its clearly not Melo's strength on a night in and night out basis. We might need to sink or swim with Grant and let him fail yet learn and grow.

Melo and the Knicks will continue to struggle with ball movement for as long as Calderon is starting. Start Grant. Get the ball in his hands and allow him to make all the decisions. Like a PG should. Get the ball out of Melo's hands. He will be better for it. Melo only knows one way and that is to shot it. Almost 5yrs and we are still complaining about the same exact things

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

At this moment, in critical situations, who can we trust as a ball handler to create and make the right reads. Its clearly not Melo's strength on a night in and night out basis. We might need to sink or swim with Grant and let him fail yet learn and grow.

Melo and the Knicks will continue to struggle with ball movement for as long as Calderon is starting. Start Grant. Get the ball in his hands and allow him to make all the decisions. Like a PG should. Get the ball out of Melo's hands. He will be better for it. Melo only knows one way and that is to shot it. Almost 5yrs and we are still complaining about the same exact things

Amen! I wish we could hold out longer in this young season, but at least with Grant starting, it'll take the rock out of Melo's hands.

And we'll be vastly improved with defense. Won't see Tony Parker score 8 straight points on us like Hose-Zay done did.

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:You guys need to chill. Melo is needed and honestly the best chance the knicks have to win in the immediate future is for Melo to still be in the last part of his prime while KP begins to get into his. The knicks would then be just 1 high level player away from legit having a chance at a championship.

This is right. What people don't realize is there is no real benefit to trading Melo. We don't have our draft pick next year, we won't get a ton of value in return for him, and let me say again, we don't have our draft pick next year! Melo is not hurting the development of our young guys, in fact, he takes pressure off of them. KP is playing well next to Melo, much better than Amare ever did. He is learning without the pressure of taking a lot of tough shots, but still getting his touches. In fact, Melo seems to be helping his confidence and overall feel on the floor. Trading Melo will not only hurt us in the short term without long-term gain, but it will put more pressure on KP by forcing the ball into his hands more and the Knicks faithful will naturally get frustrated over time. Considering Melo has bought into this group, i would say trading him would be a disaster considering the lack of potential return.

I would have to agree. Unless the package for him is really good, trading him would be a bad move.

Also, KP seems to really like playing with him and vice versa. they seem to really like each other.

Melo is an excellent player and can help in so many ways. I hope that phil can maximize his talents and get the most out of him as well as make him a much better decision maker.

If you want to set an example for a young stud like KP, you will not earn his respect by arguing calls instead of getting back on defense.

Again, I have seen positives from him this season so far but he still has a lot of work to do. Its up to him.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:You guys need to chill. Melo is needed and honestly the best chance the knicks have to win in the immediate future is for Melo to still be in the last part of his prime while KP begins to get into his. The knicks would then be just 1 high level player away from legit having a chance at a championship.

This is right. What people don't realize is there is no real benefit to trading Melo. We don't have our draft pick next year, we won't get a ton of value in return for him, and let me say again, we don't have our draft pick next year! Melo is not hurting the development of our young guys, in fact, he takes pressure off of them. KP is playing well next to Melo, much better than Amare ever did. He is learning without the pressure of taking a lot of tough shots, but still getting his touches. In fact, Melo seems to be helping his confidence and overall feel on the floor. Trading Melo will not only hurt us in the short term without long-term gain, but it will put more pressure on KP by forcing the ball into his hands more and the Knicks faithful will naturally get frustrated over time. Considering Melo has bought into this group, i would say trading him would be a disaster considering the lack of potential return.

We do have our draft pick this year. It's called Phil draft and stashing Willie Hernangomez from the Spanish league aka Kristaps homeboy. By the time he comes to the Knicks, he'll be a 22 year old rookie ready to ball.

After 2016, we own all our picks. We'll have about $19m to throw at some nice role players that fit the teamball system to further the renovation. So yea....go ahead and trade Melo, our future is bright with or without him.

You have just proven my point. Our future is bright with or without him, so trading him does absolutely nothing. The only real reasoning those who want to trade him have given is they just want to "move on" and salvage a condition draft pick to make up for the one we have lost for 2016. Those who want to trade him can't use chemistry, fit, preventing development of our young guys, or anything related to those in their defense. In fact, i believe we have seen so far that those things would be affected negativity if he is traded. So yes, the future is bright with or without him, but for the sake of our own pride, i still want to win as many games as possible this season and not do Toronto any more favors this upcoming draft, which would be exactly what we would be doing if we trade him for spare parts just to "move on" and "focus on the future."