Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.
PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation. I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.
You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.
Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.
Yes but it's not something that can be done as quickly as some on here are expecting. Phil will be a busy man around the trade deadline. We have a team full of players that are assets and players that other teams would trade for which we didn't have at all the last couple of years. Building a team is a process and Phil is the first GM/President that had the balls to come in here and do it the right way while knowing he was gonna take a bunch of heat from impatient fans. New York Knicks fans should be happy that we're finally on the right path to rebuild this team the right way which many have been saying it needed to be done for years but every GM we had didn't want to rebuild this team the right way and just kept spending stupid money every year on horrible contracts. Things are moving in the right direction with Phil.
new york--I think most fans want to be optimistic and look for upside in their own team. I want us to win now--I didnt like the way Robin Lopez played last night. I didnt like the fact that he was beat down court so badly as a veteran a number of times and then just doesnt have it on the offensive end. I know hes a rim protector but so far Cole Aldrich at 1mm per looks just as good(or better) He's got to play better than that.
We have some guys like Galloway Williams Early Affalo Grant--I wonder if we are better off going smaller and playing Melo at 4. You know KP might be better on unit 2 as a C/pf for 15 minutes year 1. I think I can see us with more cohesion going smaller. I think we can be a very decent team in fact. Win first develop second.
We are definitely a bettersmall ball team. Our centers and PFs are old school half court slow bigs. When Fisher continurs to play them together throughout the game.....we will lose. Most teams have quicker forwards.....Even Tim Duncan is quick for his size. The problem we have is our deepest position are slow PFs. So this is why i think Fisher is the key to success. Will he sit most of the slow forwards and play more uptempo players? Seraphin, KP, OQuinn are PFs with speed of a center. When you pair these guys with Rolo....team speed just got even slower.
Melo or Dwill at PF makes the team faster. Melo and Dwill together with Rolo or KP at center makes since to me. Fisher has to decide which bigs have to bea DNP. Amundson is another slow forward that lacks athleticism. ....same with Lance Thomas. All these slow forwards need to sit. Below is an example of using what we have and making it more balanced with speed and rim protection....KP leads the second unit. Next yr KP and Rolo switch.....but I dont know if I like them playing together.
I'm hoping that Anthony plays himself into SF shape for this season and next...you just don't recover from surgery as quickly when you are an older player.
Don't feel good opening up a can of worms so I hate to bring this up, because guys have beat me down over this and made light of it during the off season...but are we looking at a situation where getting his injury operated on later rather than earlier might have made a difference for this season...at least the early part?
Anthony was diligent during his recovery period, but could he have used another 2 months of rehab and weight training?
Just a thought
Walt I would absolutely think about doing that--Ive thought about that.
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Of course he could've. He would've had over 2 extra months to recover. We have no idea how durable Melo will be or how his life knees will react after grinding it for 82 games this year. Players come back after Knee surgery but it usually take some time to get back to their old self without being in and out of the lineup needing recovery days after games. He would've been 2 1/2 months closer to being 100% back to his old self.
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our bigs are slow but if you're good at what you do then it doesn't matter. Memphis is always in the mix because they have tons of size. The Knicks are starting to get more size. I understand speedball is en vogue but already tried that here and I'm not really interested in trying that again
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SupremeCommander wrote:our bigs are slow but if you're good at what you do then it doesn't matter. Memphis is always in the mix because they have tons of size. The Knicks are starting to get more size. I understand speedball is en vogue but already tried that here and I'm not really interested in trying that again
Come on Sc we dont have Zach Randolph Or Mark Gasol there:))
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SupremeCommander wrote:our bigs are slow but if you're good at what you do then it doesn't matter. Memphis is always in the mix because they have tons of size. The Knicks are starting to get more size. I understand speedball is en vogue but already tried that here and I'm not really interested in trying that again
Come on Sc we dont have Zach Randolph Or Mark Gasol there:))
to be clear I think the Knicks will struggle to make the playoffs... all I'm suggesting is being bigger than the other team still works
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I'm not in panic mode about how the team looks this early. We have a few starters nursing injuries and thus it skews the way they've looked so far. As usual we have to evaluate after the 1st 20 games. IMO it's all about having good health! They need more time to fully heal and also to gel. This is still a brand new team. I believe they should get better with time.
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nixluva wrote:I'm not in panic mode about how the team looks this early. We have a few starters nursing injuries and thus it skews the way they've looked so far. As usual we have to evaluate after the 1st 20 games. IMO it's all about having good health! They need more time to fully heal and also to gel. This is still a brand new team. I believe they should get better with time.
All teams will get better over time, especially these guys, because they seem to like being around each other. The question is how much better? That depends on health and Fisher. Fisher has to find the right balance in the starting lineup and off the bench. He can't be afraid (like most rookie coaches) to make critical moves like bringing Lopez off the bench, or sending KP to the bench. What about calling Melo out, whenever he goes into ISO mode. Thats a lot for a rookie coach to handle.
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nixluva wrote:I'm not in panic mode about how the team looks this early. We have a few starters nursing injuries and thus it skews the way they've looked so far. As usual we have to evaluate after the 1st 20 games. IMO it's all about having good health! They need more time to fully heal and also to gel. This is still a brand new team. I believe they should get better with time.
All teams will get better over time, especially these guys, because they seem to like being around each other. The question is how much better? That depends on health and Fisher. Fisher has to find the right balance in the starting lineup and off the bench. He can't be afraid (like most rookie coaches) to make critical moves like bringing Lopez off the bench, or sending KP to the bench. What about calling Melo out, whenever he goes into ISO mode. Thats a lot for a rookie coach to handle.
Maybe Rambis or Cleammons helps out Fisher with Melo.
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Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.
PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation. I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.
You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.
Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.
Yes but it's not something that can be done as quickly as some on here are expecting. Phil will be a busy man around the trade deadline. We have a team full of players that are assets and players that other teams would trade for which we didn't have at all the last couple of years. Building a team is a process and Phil is the first GM/President that had the balls to come in here and do it the right way while knowing he was gonna take a bunch of heat from impatient fans. New York Knicks fans should be happy that we're finally on the right path to rebuild this team the right way which many have been saying it needed to be done for years but every GM we had didn't want to rebuild this team the right way and just kept spending stupid money every year on horrible contracts. Things are moving in the right direction with Phil.
new york--I think most fans want to be optimistic and look for upside in their own team. I want us to win now--I didnt like the way Robin Lopez played last night. I didnt like the fact that he was beat down court so badly as a veteran a number of times and then just doesnt have it on the offensive end. I know hes a rim protector but so far Cole Aldrich at 1mm per looks just as good(or better) He's got to play better than that.
We have some guys like Galloway Williams Early Affalo Grant--I wonder if we are better off going smaller and playing Melo at 4. You know KP might be better on unit 2 as a C/pf for 15 minutes year 1. I think I can see us with more cohesion going smaller. I think we can be a very decent team in fact. Win first develop second.
I think me and Nix are the most optimistic guys on here and i do think we're gonna be a decent team and even think we can get that 8th seed if everything comes together the way we hope but people act like this is it and like this is the team that Phil has been wanting to build and this isn't his finished product but it's the best he could do with what he had. Did you really just compare Rolo to C.Aldrich because Rolo had one bad game? You do realize that Rolo along with every other player will have multiple bad games each year right? I'm optimistic about our future and i'm 100% behind what Phil has done and what Phil will do to get this team to where it needs to be to where we're not only competing for the playoffs but hopefully competing for a championship but i also understand that it will take time. I'm excited to watch this team play this year even though i think we'll have some rough times that we'll have to go through.
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BRIGGS wrote:Three things I would look at very seriously
A. Ill start the season with Robin Lopez at C but Im not tied to it
B Id rather have Admundson play then Seraphin. He knows the triangle and he plays with higher energy.
C Im not sure that Carmelo shouldnt be our starting PF(im ok with slowly developing KP on unit 2--I dont think thats a put down)
C'mon Briggs. Lopez is one of the top two interior defenders in the league, also one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. But you want to start those marginal players over him? Season hasn't started yet Briggs, why hit the panic button now?
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Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.
PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation. I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.
You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.
Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.
Yes but it's not something that can be done as quickly as some on here are expecting. Phil will be a busy man around the trade deadline. We have a team full of players that are assets and players that other teams would trade for which we didn't have at all the last couple of years. Building a team is a process and Phil is the first GM/President that had the balls to come in here and do it the right way while knowing he was gonna take a bunch of heat from impatient fans. New York Knicks fans should be happy that we're finally on the right path to rebuild this team the right way which many have been saying it needed to be done for years but every GM we had didn't want to rebuild this team the right way and just kept spending stupid money every year on horrible contracts. Things are moving in the right direction with Phil.
new york--I think most fans want to be optimistic and look for upside in their own team. I want us to win now--I didnt like the way Robin Lopez played last night. I didnt like the fact that he was beat down court so badly as a veteran a number of times and then just doesnt have it on the offensive end. I know hes a rim protector but so far Cole Aldrich at 1mm per looks just as good(or better) He's got to play better than that.
We have some guys like Galloway Williams Early Affalo Grant--I wonder if we are better off going smaller and playing Melo at 4. You know KP might be better on unit 2 as a C/pf for 15 minutes year 1. I think I can see us with more cohesion going smaller. I think we can be a very decent team in fact. Win first develop second.
The starting unit has not had much playing time together, none of them seemed in rhythm, Especially melo. He played like it was a preseason game.
The bench is our biggest/depth weapon, I didn't think KP would start and be lights out in his first week.
I was taken back by the lack of cohesion in unit 1. I think they used the words adjustment in attitude coming out of the half. I agree with that but it was much more than that also. What got me optimistic early was what seemed to be an upgrade in defense and last night not only was the defense porous but the starting unit looked like it did not fit together well.
So a team full of players that have never played together lacked cohesion hah? Well i'm just shocked. Of course they don't have cohesion. This is a brand new team learning a brand new system and learning how everyone else plays with each other so it's gonna take time. There's gonna be games where they look like they've played a full season together and there's gonna be games where they look lost with each other. It takes time.
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SupremeCommander wrote:our bigs are slow but if you're good at what you do then it doesn't matter. Memphis is always in the mix because they have tons of size. The Knicks are starting to get more size. I understand speedball is en vogue but already tried that here and I'm not really interested in trying that again
Come on Sc we dont have Zach Randolph Or Mark Gasol there:))
He didn't say we do. All he said was Memphis is really good and they play with big guys who are slow.
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nixluva wrote:I'm not in panic mode about how the team looks this early. We have a few starters nursing injuries and thus it skews the way they've looked so far. As usual we have to evaluate after the 1st 20 games. IMO it's all about having good health! They need more time to fully heal and also to gel. This is still a brand new team. I believe they should get better with time.
All teams will get better over time, especially these guys, because they seem to like being around each other. The question is how much better? That depends on health and Fisher. Fisher has to find the right balance in the starting lineup and off the bench. He can't be afraid (like most rookie coaches) to make critical moves like bringing Lopez off the bench, or sending KP to the bench. What about calling Melo out, whenever he goes into ISO mode. Thats a lot for a rookie coach to handle.
No matter if Melo was starting at the 4 or Melo was startng at the 3 and if Rolo was starting at the 5 or Amundson was starting at the 5 or if KP was starting at the 4 or O'Quinn was starting at the 4 or whoever starts wherever there will still be growing pains and there will still be games where they look horrible on the floor and games where they'll look good on the floor. Are there really some of you that don't think that it will take time for these guys to become a cohesive unit??
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BRIGGS wrote:Three things I would look at very seriously
A. Ill start the season with Robin Lopez at C but Im not tied to it
B Id rather have Admundson play then Seraphin. He knows the triangle and he plays with higher energy.
C Im not sure that Carmelo shouldnt be our starting PF(im ok with slowly developing KP on unit 2--I dont think thats a put down)
C'mon Briggs. Lopez is one of the top two interior defenders in the league, also one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. But you want to start those marginal players over him? Season hasn't started yet Briggs, why hit the panic button now?
I think what's happening is certain people are setting things up to come on here with i told you so threads.
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Article on the Home page about Lopez having an unidentified injury...you don't even find out the part of the body.
Robin Lopez acknowledged to the Daily News that he has been dealing with an undisclosed injury. The starting center didn't want to go into details except to characterize the issue as minor and nearly cleared.
WaltLongmire wrote:Article on the Home page about Lopez having an unidentified injury...you don't even find out the part of the body.
Robin Lopez acknowledged to the Daily News that he has been dealing with an undisclosed injury. The starting center didn't want to go into details except to characterize the issue as minor and nearly cleared.
Something to consider when judging him, I would think.
That's interesting. I'd watched quite a few Portland games in the past couple of years, and when I watched RoLo during the pre-season games, especially the more recent ones, I was getting the sense that something was bugging him. He just didn't look very comfortable. Hopefully it's true that it's just minor and will be cleared up soon, hopefully during the next week.
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nixluva wrote:I'm not in panic mode about how the team looks this early. We have a few starters nursing injuries and thus it skews the way they've looked so far. As usual we have to evaluate after the 1st 20 games. IMO it's all about having good health! They need more time to fully heal and also to gel. This is still a brand new team. I believe they should get better with time.
All teams will get better over time, especially these guys, because they seem to like being around each other. The question is how much better? That depends on health and Fisher. Fisher has to find the right balance in the starting lineup and off the bench. He can't be afraid (like most rookie coaches) to make critical moves like bringing Lopez off the bench, or sending KP to the bench. What about calling Melo out, whenever he goes into ISO mode. Thats a lot for a rookie coach to handle.
No matter if Melo was starting at the 4 or Melo was startng at the 3 and if Rolo was starting at the 5 or Amundson was starting at the 5 or if KP was starting at the 4 or O'Quinn was starting at the 4 or whoever starts wherever there will still be growing pains and there will still be games where they look horrible on the floor and games where they'll look good on the floor. Are there really some of you that don't think that it will take time for these guys to become a cohesive unit??
Yeah, I have to agree with this. There are going to be growing pains no matter what. I believe and am fully confident that this squad will handle them a lot better than last year's squad did.
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already tried that here and I'm not really interested in trying that again