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knickscity wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knickscity wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:The quote where he said they chose not to resign me oissed me off. The Knicks were going to match the original deal offered to Lin but couldn't match the poison pill deal. I really liked Lin as a knick but he needs to take some ownership for chasing the money. He got paid but he owned ny and his career probably would have had a different path had he not put the Knicks in a position where matching his offer was almost financially not possuble. the aw shucks its all good I just want to get back to linsanity isn't cutting it anymore in my opinion.
Firstly, the Knicks had already secured a deal with Felton before the Lin decision. they never intended on bringing him back, and even duped Kidd into signing under pretenses he would be a mentor, when he wound up being a key rotational player and broke down.The underlying fact is Lin did nothing but what the Kniks told him to. The Knicks told Lin to go find a deal and they'll match it. The Knicks could have just offered the 4/24 deal from the start, but THEY did not. Ironically they didnt tell Novak to go find a deal...they gave him his without having to secure one first. Sma situation of both players, and what made the Knicks look so stupid is the NBA players Assoc. fought for them to keep Lin and Novak as they would have lost both for nothing without the EB ruling. So off Lin goes, and the team that wanted him back offered a deal, a poison pill one. Knicks did not match though, but the players currently on the team sure had words to say about another mans money, which I've always felt was a huge no-no.... Melo: “It’s not up to me,” Anthony said laughing. “It’s up to the organization to say that they want to match that ridiculous contract that’s out there. Tyson:“Jeremy was a young point guard who was inexperienced, who brought a great light to the organization,” Chandler said. “But as far as being able to run the offense and putting players in the right position he just wasn't there. We got some veteran point guards that are capable of doing that." JR: "Without a doubt," he said. "I think some guys take it personal, because they've been doing it longer and haven't received any reward for it yet. I think it's a tough subject to touch on for a lot of guys." Novak: “It can be looked at as a ridiculous contract in the sense that it’s a $5 [million], a $5 [million] and a $15 [million over the first three years],” Novak told SNY.tv Wednesday at the Steve Novak Basketball Camp at Sleepy Hollow High School. “It is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable….I wasn’t there when Carmelo said it but ‘ridiculous contract,’ I think probably means more the fact that there’s a max offer being offered in the third year when the first two was a five.”
The Knicks signed Felton after they were presented the poison pill deal. It was during the time period where they could match Lin's deal. Once that happened it seemed obvious that they were moving on but they still had not committed either way in regards to lin.
Lin was done way before the pill was presented. recall the Knicks were in the running for Steve Nash as well. Nash to Felton to Kidd...come on now Lin was done. Things were official obviously during that period as there were moratoriums and things in place, but make no mistake Felton was headed to the Knicks way before. From Dolans BBQ appearance to his agent publicly blurting out $&T scenarios July 5th ....the deal was there.July 5th....“They’ve shown great interest, but there’s stuff they’ve had to get through,’’ Dutt told the Post. “He loved playing in New York. Our choice was to never have left New York. There were no hard feelings. Management handled it the best they could. I don’t think they ever misled us and I never felt they wanted him in that trade.’’ The Knicks have the $3.09 million taxpayer mid-level exception to offer Felton, though Dutt said he hoped a sign-and-trade can be done with Portland to get an increased salary. “I consider them definitely on his high list,’’ Dutt said. “He would love to go back. He loved New York and was playing at an all-star level.’’ I realize we as fans want to diss the ex players and laud the team, but the team made this decision happen. Unless they offered the 4/24 deal they could have just like they gave Novak...this was all on them. ALL indications from the Knicks side was that they were going to match the initial offer. Woodson made the notorious claim we would match up to a billion dollars or something silly like that. If it was so clear that Knicks weren't going to match then Houston wouldn't have upped there offer to poison pill status. They clearly felt the heat that the Knicks were going to match the offer which again ALL indications pointed to. We had Grunwald hiding in a closet avoiding phone calls to buy time for goodness sake. Nash and Kidd were being looked at and brought in because they wanted veteran insurance. Lin had the amazing run but still lacked experience and needed more improvement and seasoning. Its logical to have Lin back those guys up and be instant offense off the bench as he grew into a better player with experience. Felton could have always been an option in case we struck out on Nash & Kidd. Or Felton could have been an option along with Nash or Kidd as well as Lin under the first Houston offer. At 3 mil Felton could have competed with Lin for the backup spot. Since we ran a lot of 2 pg sets one of them would have taken Pablo's spot.
We should know by now what happens during the moratorium is never official, but it was a poison pill the entire time. the first "offer" was 4 years 28 mil, 5 for the first two, 9 per for the next two, that fourth year being a team option, but if the Knicks match there would be no options.http://espn.go.com/newyork/nba/story/_/id/8133715/source-newyork-knicks-jeremy-lin-agrees-sign-offer-sheet-houston-rockets This deal was equally bad tax wise. If the Knicks had gotten Nash, there would be no Lin. Even the Kidd deal was before the last deal.... Jason Kidd, who was set to rejoin the Dallas Mavericks, made a late and stunning reversal and agreed to join the Knicks instead. Negotiations were continuing Thursday night, and it was not yet clear whether the Knicks would sign Kidd outright or acquire him in a sign-and-trade deal. Just as Kidd committed, the Knicks learned that Jeremy Lin, their promising 23-year-old point guard, had agreed to an offer sheet with the Houston Rockets, complicating the picture further. The Rockets’ offer could be worth as much as $28.8 million over four years, with backloaded payments in the final two seasons, according to a person who was briefed on the details. The fourth year is a team option. Because Lin is a restricted free agent, the Knicks have the right to match the deal. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/sports/basketball/kidd-is-heading-to-the-knicks.html Lin was done. Knicks would have matched the initial offer due to it being the market that Lin set for himself. Knicks were able to offer 4 yrs 24mil, but wanted Lin to find the market for himself and then match what that offer was. All was going according the plan until Lin after agreeing in principal to the initial offer from Houston fired his agent. Pulled out of the initial offer once word was set that the Knicks would match(up to 1 billion dollars), and signed for an even more lucrative offer. This is obviously what pissed the Knicks(Dolan) off. As it seemed that Lin was just looking to milk money out of the Knicks once it was clear they were willing to match rather then actually signing a deal that the market set. Not that this is really Lin's fault. Knicks said they would match any offer so he designed a way to get top dollar. But the Knicks were always interested in bringing Lin back until they felt Lin was milking them. He was not done before that. Regardless if they signed Nash or Kidd they were always able to match Lin's offer. One didn't prevent the other from happening. And since this is a business bring Lin back would have been more profitable for the Knicks in terms of sells then not even if it jacked up the cap. Lin made like mimimum yet during Linsanity Knicks made huge profit, and Lin helped the Knicks make playoffs making the Knicks even more profit while again making minimum. He probably already covered the profit necessary for the first 2 yrs of the new contract during his Linsanity run. The only thing that stopped the Knicks from being interested in bringing Lin back was Dolan feeling betrayed.
This is where rumors vs actual reported facts get lost. You cant match what you didnt recieve. Lin has to sign an agreement first. The first offer was never signed as it was the moratorium and once again it was a poison pill as well. Only difference was the first was 18 mil backloaded over two year and the second was backloaded by 15 in one year.Also the report that Lin changed agents was dated in June of 2012...before free agency started.... According to a release sent out by Geisler on Thursday, Tanner will represent Lin in all areas of contractual agreements, marketing endorsements, licensing, personal appearances, media relations, community investments and other business opportunities. In addition, Montgomery will collaborate with Tanner on free agency and other basketball-related matters.
http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork/knicks/post/_/id/21003/jeremy-lin-switches-agents
Also I really do think folks are getting the profit angle very much wrong. The Knicks have to share their profits with the other teams, it doesnt just stay with them. Houston found that out once Lin signed with them. Sure they COULD have kept Lin, but they didnt...never offered a deal. There's two facts we know....Knicks never offered a contract, and they didnt match. Knicks had control over both, not Lin. There would have been no reason for Rockets to change there offer if they didn't feel the Knicks were going to match there initial offer. They clearly felt that what they offered initially wasn't good enough even with the poison pill initially. Knicks also flat out told the public that they were going to match any offer up to 1 billion dollars which they didn't have to say. Grunwald also attempted to avoid the deadline and buy time which is something he wouldn't have to do if there was no interest in resigning Lin from the get go. Even if the Knicks had to share profits, they could have used Lin to open up another audience and market outside of US which could have a lasting effect yrs after Lin left. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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