GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.

His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.

Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.

Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.

what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.

I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.

Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.

if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.

Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.

He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.

Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.

Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.

Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.

I watched pretty much every knick game back then as I do now.

Wilkens was a great defender but with the new rules, it changed the league and now teams (like the knicks of the 90's) can't win that way. You need to be able to score and at guard you need to stretch the floor.

Interesting (and rightfully so) not one of those highlights are an outside shot. If he played today, he would be quite exposed.

He had a good work ethic and was a good guy but I really did not like him as a player. Even Johnny Newman got me more excited.

So did I. Wilkins played by the rules at the time like Early is today. Wilikns had great lateral movement, he also could start and stop on a dime. Im guessing he had the athleticism to play by these new rules if they had been applied back then. He was very athletic.

Like I said, he wasnt a great shooter, but he did play well enough for me to have good memories of his time here.

his shot was so bad that every team today would play 20 feet off him.

Also, perhaps because of the way the game is played today, he would sit in the gym and shoot 2000 shots a day ... who knows.

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.

His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.

Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.

Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.

what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.

I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.

Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.

if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.

Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.

He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.

Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.

Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.

Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.

wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.

You forgot defense, you forgot transition offense. Im not suggesting Wilkins was a great player but he was better than medicore.

I did not forget defense. I said that he was a good defender, perhaps very good, but even Tony Allen may no longer be good enough to hide is offensive ineptitude. Wilkins is not Tony Allen.

With his defense and transition / slashing, he may be borderline mediocre today.

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.

His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.

Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.

Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.

what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.

I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.

Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.

if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.

Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.

He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.

Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.

Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.

Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.

wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.

You forgot defense, you forgot transition offense. Im not suggesting Wilkins was a great player but he was better than medicore.

They are crazy..If Early turns into Wilkins, drop to your knees and thank the heavens....Wilkins was a solid role player...Great in the open court and played defense...Closest guy to Wilkins I think in today's game is Afaflo...Afaflo was a better shooter but Wilkins was better overall...

chances are that Early will not succeed just like all young guys so if he has a successful career, even a mediocre one, that is a success.

Early and Wilkins have very little in common and Aflalo does not either have much in common with him.

There are very few players like wilkens today since we no longer build such type of players. That is not a recipe for success with todays game.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.

His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.

Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.

Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.

what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.

I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.

Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.

if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.

Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.

He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.

Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.

Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.

Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.

wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.

You forgot defense, you forgot transition offense. Im not suggesting Wilkins was a great player but he was better than medicore.

They are crazy..If Early turns into Wilkins, drop to your knees and thank the heavens....Wilkins was a solid role player...Great in the open court and played defense...Closest guy to Wilkins I think in today's game is Afaflo...Afaflo was a better shooter but Wilkins was better overall...

chances are that Early will not succeed just like all young guys so if he has a successful career, even a mediocre one, that is a success.

Early and Wilkins have very little in common and Aflalo does not either have much in common with him.

There are very few players like wilkens today since we no longer build such type of players. That is not a recipe for success with todays game.

Wade, DeRozan, Oladipo, Butler..Who are more polished players and better shooters. Fact is not many guys have that kind of athleticism..

Those guys are of course again, terrible comparisons.

Do you even think that Wilkens was considered an above average player then?

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.

His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.

Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.

Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.

what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.

I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.

Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.

if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.

Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.

He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.

Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.

Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.

Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.

wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.

You forgot defense, you forgot transition offense. Im not suggesting Wilkins was a great player but he was better than medicore.

They are crazy..If Early turns into Wilkins, drop to your knees and thank the heavens....Wilkins was a solid role player...Great in the open court and played defense...Closest guy to Wilkins I think in today's game is Afaflo...Afaflo was a better shooter but Wilkins was better overall...

chances are that Early will not succeed just like all young guys so if he has a successful career, even a mediocre one, that is a success.

Early and Wilkins have very little in common and Aflalo does not either have much in common with him.

There are very few players like wilkens today since we no longer build such type of players. That is not a recipe for success with todays game.

Wade, DeRozan, Oladipo, Butler..Who are more polished players and better shooters. Fact is not many guys have that kind of athleticism..

Those guys are of course again, terrible comparisons.

Do you even think that Wilkens was considered an above average player then?

He has had above average years but that was the golden era of 2 guards...He averaged 19 and 17 shooting 46-48%..Gallinari is thought of as above now and has never shot close to those numbers...

just checked his WS48 as a knick. A whopping .066 LOL!!!

his eFg as a knicks was 47.5, is that good? Could not shoot 3's, really bad FT shooter for a guard.

Gerald Wilkens was the types of players that the knicks had behind ewing which is why they had such a hard time winning.

Do you honestly think that wilkens was a better player than Gallo?

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.

His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.

Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.

Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.

what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.

I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.

Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.

if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.

Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.

He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.

Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.

Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.

Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.

wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.

You forgot defense, you forgot transition offense. Im not suggesting Wilkins was a great player but he was better than medicore.

They are crazy..If Early turns into Wilkins, drop to your knees and thank the heavens....Wilkins was a solid role player...Great in the open court and played defense...Closest guy to Wilkins I think in today's game is Afaflo...Afaflo was a better shooter but Wilkins was better overall...

chances are that Early will not succeed just like all young guys so if he has a successful career, even a mediocre one, that is a success.

Early and Wilkins have very little in common and Aflalo does not either have much in common with him.

There are very few players like wilkens today since we no longer build such type of players. That is not a recipe for success with todays game.

Wade, DeRozan, Oladipo, Butler..Who are more polished players and better shooters. Fact is not many guys have that kind of athleticism..

Those guys are of course again, terrible comparisons.

Do you even think that Wilkens was considered an above average player then?

He has had above average years but that was the golden era of 2 guards...He averaged 19 and 17 shooting 46-48%..Gallinari is thought of as above now and has never shot close to those numbers...

just checked his WS48 as a knick. A whopping .066 LOL!!!

his eFg as a knicks was 47.5, is that good? Could not shoot 3's, really bad FT shooter for a guard.

Gerald Wilkens was the types of players that the knicks had behind ewing which is why they had such a hard time winning.

Do you honestly think that wilkens was a better player than Gallo?

Yes, Wilkens is a better all around player...

holfresh wrote:

Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!

Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?

it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!

Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?

it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.

The eras are different..Obviously there is more focus today on the three point shot..Gallo compares statically to JR Smith..Their stats are identical..Wilkens put up better stats and were more consistent than both players..Wilkens best year was better than Gallo's best..

if you use stat gurus from the 80's.