Since we're posting facts.....

here's some more...facts.....

Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.

http://www.massachusettsinjurylawyerblog.com/2013/10/medical-mistakes-boston-injury-lawyers.html

knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.

Since we're posting facts.....

here's some more...facts.....

Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.

http://www.massachusettsinjurylawyerblog.com/2013/10/medical-mistakes-boston-injury-lawyers.html

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.

Since we're posting facts.....

here's some more...facts.....

Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.

http://www.massachusettsinjurylawyerblog.com/2013/10/medical-mistakes-boston-injury-lawyers.html

People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..

people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.

Since we're posting facts.....

here's some more...facts.....

Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.

http://www.massachusettsinjurylawyerblog.com/2013/10/medical-mistakes-boston-injury-lawyers.html

People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..

people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.

Even if it's lower than 1%, it still represents the single most used item for intentional deaths..And if it's most used in suicides, then isn't that even more reason for gun control?

Thats the issue I have. What method would YOU employ to prevent a killer from killing? Isnt the goal to lower the number of deaths?

Moonangie wrote:The Aussies figured this out, why can't we?

Buy back as many guns as possible to get them off the streets while ALSO passing draconian gun laws. Update the 2nd amendment to make it unambiguously NOT about guns.

Watch violent crime and mass killings go way down.

Close but no cigar. Vote the goddamn thing into oblivion. Need politicians to grow a set and stand up to the NRA. - A guy can dream.

Cartman718 wrote:

izybx wrote:I'm sure lebron doesn't have armed security

lebron is a celebrity with a lot of money which makes him an automatic target. why are you or i so important?

My life and my personal safety is much more important to me than lebron. Who is he to decide that he deserves armed security and I dont? He's just another silver spoon millionaire pontificating about things that only apply to us. I think lebron should set the example and make it known that he will only hire unarmed security and will not allow firearms in his house.

Meanwhile my wife and kids will sleep soundly under my roof, in a household where we respect the second amendment.

izybx wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.

Since we're posting facts.....

here's some more...facts.....

Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.

http://www.massachusettsinjurylawyerblog.com/2013/10/medical-mistakes-boston-injury-lawyers.html

This right wing horse**** is so tiring. Errors and accidental deaths will happen no matter what. The idea that the fact that they happen should be used as reasoning to continue to make guns available for people who INTENTIONALLY go out a shoot a bunch of other people is just beyond retarded. No you don't ban cars, because there are no reported incidents of people driving cars into malls with the intent of killing other people. But you and the NRA may not be smart enough to tell the difference.

Those facts really make you mad huh

No facts don't make me mad. People intentionally avoiding the issue and throwing out numbers to confuse the subject makes me mad. The issue with guns is they are in the hands of people intending to kill a lot of people quickly. The idea that you can do that with a car is laughable. So the "facts" have no relevance. But the right wing brings them up so they can deflect the main discussion. The number of death by automobiles and cancer have as much relevance to the discussion on gun control as the sun signs of the victims.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.

Since we're posting facts.....

here's some more...facts.....

Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.

http://www.massachusettsinjurylawyerblog.com/2013/10/medical-mistakes-boston-injury-lawyers.html

People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..

people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.

Even if it's lower than 1%, it still represents the single most used item for intentional deaths..And if it's most used in suicides, then isn't that even more reason for gun control?

It is a legit reason. I have no issue with gun control, but the only control that will come out of it is the limits to law abiding citizens who have such right to bear. A person uses a gun more for suicide because it's quicker. 2nd place is strangling, which naturally would rise without a gun available. So you arent preventing the death...only the method.

Thats the issue I have. What method would YOU employ to prevent a killer from killing? Isnt the goal to lower the number of deaths?

I don't think you can prevent a killer from killing..But you can limit the options he has..The US is currently trying to limit nation states from acquiring nuclear weapons..The idea is the more states that have a nuclear weapon the likelihood some one will use them..Or the more the likihood it will fall into criminal hands..I see guns the same way..

Funny thing is, the same guys leading the charge against gun control are the same guys who thinks its a bad idea for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon and don't want to see the correlation...Isn't it the same thing conceptually..Doesn't the pro nuclear weapon nations and pro gun people say it's to protect my family or nation and its acts as a deterrent..Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people, right?

This is like punishing all the children in the house because you, the parent, cant figure out who spilled the milk on the kitchen floor. The issue is why these folks feel the need to kill.....address that first.

And no I dont think banning nuclear weapons are the same as gun control. There is no way to responsibly use nuclear weapons, and your typical handgun which is the primary weapon of choice has no mass destruction effect. The main reason the US is a key component in pushing this is because they know other countries can wipe their ass clean off the globe with push of a button, yet they still spend billions in research.....go figure.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:What gun was used to bring down the Germanwings Flight that was intentionally crashed into the French Alps that killed 150 people? Y'all really need to be informed...killers will always kills. thats what they want to do and will do it.

Men kill from the beginning of time without the use of guns..Its not the point..The point is to prevent them from having acces to weapons that can kill a larger number of people quickly and efficiently..If you can't see that's the issue then conversation is pointless..

The New World settlers won against the Indians because of the guns..This isn't rocket science..

I'll say it again, I dont care what reform is in place as long as law abiding citizens are not hindered in their right to bear arms.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:
Facts:

1. There's roughly one gun for every person in America
2. Gun crime is more prevalent in the US than in other rich countries
3. Gun homicides (like all homicides) are declining
4. Places with more guns have more homicides
5. There are more gun suicides than gun homicides in America
6. Suicide is more common in places with more guns
7. Living in a house with a gun increases your odds of death
8. Guns contribute to domestic violence
9. Mass shootings aren't getting more common — and are a tiny share of all shootings
10. A tiny fraction of gun violence is committed by the mentally ill

Would you be able to back up points 4, 6 and 8 with sources and stats? Somehow does not seem right.

Also, I wonder why in point 2 we are comparing US with only "rich" countries? What makes a country "rich"?

And for point 7, it means deaths by what? Having a swimming pool in one's home also increases the odds of drowning, doesn't it?

Personally, I believe that an armed population is necessary to prevent rights abuses by the state. But the state has to regulate guns at least as rigorously as automobiles.

U have to be kidding if you remotely don't know these stats are legit..19k people commit suicides annually via gun..33k die by guns annually..U can google 4,6,8..around 95 people drown in pools while 33k by guns..Google 7..Google 9..lots of poor countries are war torn in Afica and Middle East which is why u compare against rich countries...Jeez..If u want to know answers to the list just google..