holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:well if you guys are saying we win with talent, then give fisher and phil a complete pass last yr for not having talent, wtf is going to happen this yr if we win 15 extra games...we fckn tanked last season, that means we did everything possible to lose.

If we were trying to win, the team may have won 33 games with the squad they had, now were suppose to have a better squad and fans are happy with 33 wins.

Phil doesn't want to talk playoffs, somehow that sounds like "I don't want to hold anyone accountable if we don't make the playoffs"

No phil didn't get that 2nd star to roll with melo, and thats fine, but this team better be top 5 defensively.

you have lost whatever mind you may have ever had.

I would love to hear your 3 yr out look on this team, because you seem like your living in a 90's fantasy. Anyone who thinks 33 wins means we're on our way, is being completely naive.

Last season we lost 20 of the first 25 or so games by less than 5 points, (in some cases blew a 4th quarter lead) it became so deflating, that by december Phil through his hands in the air and quietly announce a fire sale, that's after 7 wks of basketball.

Between 2003 and 20010 we had a few seasons where we ended up winning no more than 30+ wins, we had multiple promising young players like lee, nate, gallo, douglas. Some of those guys played at least 3 season in NY, and got slightly better year after year, but never took a leap, just baby steps. Team never got better, and the future remain cloudy at best. You know what happen next, bye bye young players

DK I'm telling you know, there is enough fkn talent on this team to win 40 to 45 wins, and if they don't, I promise you, patience will run thin faster than you think, and they'll be more drastic changes. It's the nature of losing in a big market, not to mention that you have a top 5 pick that some people call a steal, or possible overall #1. Thats an impact guy, or suppose to be, baby steps are for late 1st rounders, and 2nd rounders. If you get that pick wrong, can you imagine the set back, especially with no pick in the following draft.

Dude 40 wins isn't a option, the bucks did last yr.

Look, I understand the team isn't overly talented, but get your guys to play hard defensively, quicken the pace for easy basket, hit your free throws, share the ball, and you will win your fair share of games. If a Coach can't do that, why do i need you?

I am a bit more optimistic about this team. I think Rolo, Afflalo, and a healthy Melo and Calderon will add a lot. If several of the group of Grant, Porzingis, Seraphin, O'Quinn, Williams, Vujacic, Early, Galloway etc. turn into solid contributing role players the Knicks will be in pretty good shape. I am hoping for 44-46 wins. Hopefully the depth and youth the Knicks have will help limit minutes and keep guys healthy.

And if the win total is between 25/30 games, what will your new assessment be?..Does it depend on how they play?

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:well if you guys are saying we win with talent, then give fisher and phil a complete pass last yr for not having talent, wtf is going to happen this yr if we win 15 extra games...we fckn tanked last season, that means we did everything possible to lose.

If we were trying to win, the team may have won 33 games with the squad they had, now were suppose to have a better squad and fans are happy with 33 wins.

Phil doesn't want to talk playoffs, somehow that sounds like "I don't want to hold anyone accountable if we don't make the playoffs"

No phil didn't get that 2nd star to roll with melo, and thats fine, but this team better be top 5 defensively.

you have lost whatever mind you may have ever had.

I would love to hear your 3 yr out look on this team, because you seem like your living in a 90's fantasy. Anyone who thinks 33 wins means we're on our way, is being completely naive.

Last season we lost 20 of the first 25 or so games by less than 5 points, (in some cases blew a 4th quarter lead) it became so deflating, that by december Phil through his hands in the air and quietly announce a fire sale, that's after 7 wks of basketball.

Between 2003 and 20010 we had a few seasons where we ended up winning no more than 30+ wins, we had multiple promising young players like lee, nate, gallo, douglas. Some of those guys played at least 3 season in NY, and got slightly better year after year, but never took a leap, just baby steps. Team never got better, and the future remain cloudy at best. You know what happen next, bye bye young players

DK I'm telling you know, there is enough fkn talent on this team to win 40 to 45 wins, and if they don't, I promise you, patience will run thin faster than you think, and they'll be more drastic changes. It's the nature of losing in a big market, not to mention that you have a top 5 pick that some people call a steal, or possible overall #1. Thats an impact guy, or suppose to be, baby steps are for late 1st rounders, and 2nd rounders. If you get that pick wrong, can you imagine the set back, especially with no pick in the following draft.

Dude 40 wins isn't a option, the bucks did last yr.

Look, I understand the team isn't overly talented, but get your guys to play hard defensively, quicken the pace for easy basket, hit your free throws, share the ball, and you will win your fair share of games. If a Coach can't do that, why do i need you?

I am a bit more optimistic about this team. I think Rolo, Afflalo, and a healthy Melo and Calderon will add a lot. If several of the group of Grant, Porzingis, Seraphin, O'Quinn, Williams, Vujacic, Early, Galloway etc. turn into solid contributing role players the Knicks will be in pretty good shape. I am hoping for 44-46 wins. Hopefully the depth and youth the Knicks have will help limit minutes and keep guys healthy.

And if the win total is between 25/30 games, what will your new assessment be?..Does it depend on how they play?

First off I would be wrong and really disappointed. It is a new team so for them to only win 25-30 games some of the guys brought in or coming back from injury would either have to get hurt or underachieve tremendously in my opinion. I think you would be looking at another version of resetting. Maybe Fisher gets moved upstairs. I don't see a team with a healthy Melo winning less than 35.

no team is ever "healthy" so the injury excuse will be there for all of you.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:well if you guys are saying we win with talent, then give fisher and phil a complete pass last yr for not having talent, wtf is going to happen this yr if we win 15 extra games...we fckn tanked last season, that means we did everything possible to lose.

If we were trying to win, the team may have won 33 games with the squad they had, now were suppose to have a better squad and fans are happy with 33 wins.

Phil doesn't want to talk playoffs, somehow that sounds like "I don't want to hold anyone accountable if we don't make the playoffs"

No phil didn't get that 2nd star to roll with melo, and thats fine, but this team better be top 5 defensively.

you have lost whatever mind you may have ever had.

I would love to hear your 3 yr out look on this team, because you seem like your living in a 90's fantasy. Anyone who thinks 33 wins means we're on our way, is being completely naive.

Last season we lost 20 of the first 25 or so games by less than 5 points, (in some cases blew a 4th quarter lead) it became so deflating, that by december Phil through his hands in the air and quietly announce a fire sale, that's after 7 wks of basketball.

Between 2003 and 20010 we had a few seasons where we ended up winning no more than 30+ wins, we had multiple promising young players like lee, nate, gallo, douglas. Some of those guys played at least 3 season in NY, and got slightly better year after year, but never took a leap, just baby steps. Team never got better, and the future remain cloudy at best. You know what happen next, bye bye young players

DK I'm telling you know, there is enough fkn talent on this team to win 40 to 45 wins, and if they don't, I promise you, patience will run thin faster than you think, and they'll be more drastic changes. It's the nature of losing in a big market, not to mention that you have a top 5 pick that some people call a steal, or possible overall #1. Thats an impact guy, or suppose to be, baby steps are for late 1st rounders, and 2nd rounders. If you get that pick wrong, can you imagine the set back, especially with no pick in the following draft.

Dude 40 wins isn't a option, the bucks did last yr.

Look, I understand the team isn't overly talented, but get your guys to play hard defensively, quicken the pace for easy basket, hit your free throws, share the ball, and you will win your fair share of games. If a Coach can't do that, why do i need you?

I am a bit more optimistic about this team. I think Rolo, Afflalo, and a healthy Melo and Calderon will add a lot. If several of the group of Grant, Porzingis, Seraphin, O'Quinn, Williams, Vujacic, Early, Galloway etc. turn into solid contributing role players the Knicks will be in pretty good shape. I am hoping for 44-46 wins. Hopefully the depth and youth the Knicks have will help limit minutes and keep guys healthy.

And if the win total is between 25/30 games, what will your new assessment be?..Does it depend on how they play?

First off I would be wrong and really disappointed. It is a new team so for them to only win 25-30 games some of the guys brought in or coming back from injury would either have to get hurt or underachieve tremendously in my opinion. I think you would be looking at another version of resetting. Maybe Fisher gets moved upstairs. I don't see a team with a healthy Melo winning less than 35.

no team is ever "healthy" so the injury excuse will be there for all of you.

Are you expecting 25-30 wins? Also, are you suggesting injuries don't impact a teams success?

33 wins.

of course they do but every team has them. Selfish play is a really big reason for us having a good chance of not being good but that won't be used as a reason by many of you.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:well if you guys are saying we win with talent, then give fisher and phil a complete pass last yr for not having talent, wtf is going to happen this yr if we win 15 extra games...we fckn tanked last season, that means we did everything possible to lose.

If we were trying to win, the team may have won 33 games with the squad they had, now were suppose to have a better squad and fans are happy with 33 wins.

Phil doesn't want to talk playoffs, somehow that sounds like "I don't want to hold anyone accountable if we don't make the playoffs"

No phil didn't get that 2nd star to roll with melo, and thats fine, but this team better be top 5 defensively.

you have lost whatever mind you may have ever had.

I would love to hear your 3 yr out look on this team, because you seem like your living in a 90's fantasy. Anyone who thinks 33 wins means we're on our way, is being completely naive.

Last season we lost 20 of the first 25 or so games by less than 5 points, (in some cases blew a 4th quarter lead) it became so deflating, that by december Phil through his hands in the air and quietly announce a fire sale, that's after 7 wks of basketball.

Between 2003 and 20010 we had a few seasons where we ended up winning no more than 30+ wins, we had multiple promising young players like lee, nate, gallo, douglas. Some of those guys played at least 3 season in NY, and got slightly better year after year, but never took a leap, just baby steps. Team never got better, and the future remain cloudy at best. You know what happen next, bye bye young players

DK I'm telling you know, there is enough fkn talent on this team to win 40 to 45 wins, and if they don't, I promise you, patience will run thin faster than you think, and they'll be more drastic changes. It's the nature of losing in a big market, not to mention that you have a top 5 pick that some people call a steal, or possible overall #1. Thats an impact guy, or suppose to be, baby steps are for late 1st rounders, and 2nd rounders. If you get that pick wrong, can you imagine the set back, especially with no pick in the following draft.

Dude 40 wins isn't a option, the bucks did last yr.

Look, I understand the team isn't overly talented, but get your guys to play hard defensively, quicken the pace for easy basket, hit your free throws, share the ball, and you will win your fair share of games. If a Coach can't do that, why do i need you?

I am a bit more optimistic about this team. I think Rolo, Afflalo, and a healthy Melo and Calderon will add a lot. If several of the group of Grant, Porzingis, Seraphin, O'Quinn, Williams, Vujacic, Early, Galloway etc. turn into solid contributing role players the Knicks will be in pretty good shape. I am hoping for 44-46 wins. Hopefully the depth and youth the Knicks have will help limit minutes and keep guys healthy.

And if the win total is between 25/30 games, what will your new assessment be?..Does it depend on how they play?

First off I would be wrong and really disappointed. It is a new team so for them to only win 25-30 games some of the guys brought in or coming back from injury would either have to get hurt or underachieve tremendously in my opinion. I think you would be looking at another version of resetting. Maybe Fisher gets moved upstairs. I don't see a team with a healthy Melo winning less than 35.

no team is ever "healthy" so the injury excuse will be there for all of you.

Are you expecting 25-30 wins? Also, are you suggesting injuries don't impact a teams success?

33 wins.

of course they do but every team has them. Selfish play is a really big reason for us having a good chance of not being good but that won't be used as a reason by many of you.

Many of you? Do you mean Knick fans?

No.

Melo fans.

Bring in another star to help Melo..Melo shoots 47% the first 17 sec of the clock..When the team looks to him the last 7 sec which usually ends in a rush shots he shoots 38%..You want a better Melo, get him help..

Look at LeBron fg% in Cleveland then Miami then back in Cleveland..Note the improvement as he played with better players and decrease with lessor players..Look at last year's playoff numbers minus Love and Kyre..

nixluva wrote:Only 2 times in Melo's career has he been on a team that was under .500 and that was the last 2 most dysfunctional years in NY. Last year doesn't even make sense to talk about, but 2013-14 they got to 37 wins despite all the dysfunction. I don't believe we can expect that level of dysfunction this year.

I created this thread to talk about the possible improvement on Defense, which if that does happen, could make this team a winner this year. Just using the facts about Melo's career and the defensive efficiency of his teams, relative to their record, you can see that it's highly possible for this team to be a winner this season.

Melo's team records and Defensive Ranking over the years.

Season	                Lg	Team	         W	L	W/L%	Playoffs	        Coaches	                
Def Rank - 28th 2014-15	NBA	New York Knicks	 17	65	.207			        D. Fisher  (17-65)	
Def Rank - 24th 2013-14	NBA	New York Knicks	 37	45	.451			        M. Woodson (37-45)	
Def Rank - 18th 2012-13	NBA	New York Knicks* 54	28	.659	Lost E. Conf. Semis	M. Woodson (54-28)	
Def Rank - 5th  2011-12	NBA	New York Knicks* 36	30	.545	Lost E. Conf. 1st Rnd.	M. D (18-24), M. Woodson (18-6)
Def Rank - 22nd 2010-11	NBA	New York Knicks* 42	40	.512	Lost E. Conf. 1st Rnd.	M. D'Antoni (42-40)	
Def Rank - 16th 2009-10	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 53	29	.646	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (53-29)	
Def Rank - 8th  2008-09	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 54	28	.659	Lost W. Conf. Finals	G. Karl    (54-28)	
Def Rank - 10th 2007-08	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 50	32	.610	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (50-32)	
Def Rank - 11th 2006-07	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 45	37	.549	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (45-37)	
Def Rank - 13th 2005-06	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 44	38	.537	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (44-38)	
Def Rank - 8th  2004-05	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 49	33	.598	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	J. Bzdelik (13-15), M. Cooper (4-10), G. Karl (32-8)
Def Rank - 13th 2003-04	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 43	39	.524	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	J. Bzdelik (43-39)	

Enough with the jaded viewpoints!!! At some point we have to base our analysis on the specifics of this roster and recent historical facts. No one is suggesting this tea is a juggernaut or anything. It is possible for this team to play well enough to be in the playoff hunt. IMO this roster is actually pretty similar to the recent Knicks Playoff teams.

The difference could be in the hustle and effort level of the players on this team, which the media and doubting fans never talk about. We have a few high motor players and effort guys on the roster now. That can be a difference maker this season compared to the last 2 seasons. There's a bit more nastiness on the roster as well. Guys with more fight to them as opposed to the Mr. Softee players we had last year. We've got good BB IQ, length, Girth, Athletic Ability and Skill on this roster.

The disfunction during the 37 win season was Phil taking over..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:well if you guys are saying we win with talent, then give fisher and phil a complete pass last yr for not having talent, wtf is going to happen this yr if we win 15 extra games...we fckn tanked last season, that means we did everything possible to lose.

If we were trying to win, the team may have won 33 games with the squad they had, now were suppose to have a better squad and fans are happy with 33 wins.

Phil doesn't want to talk playoffs, somehow that sounds like "I don't want to hold anyone accountable if we don't make the playoffs"

No phil didn't get that 2nd star to roll with melo, and thats fine, but this team better be top 5 defensively.

you have lost whatever mind you may have ever had.

I would love to hear your 3 yr out look on this team, because you seem like your living in a 90's fantasy. Anyone who thinks 33 wins means we're on our way, is being completely naive.

Last season we lost 20 of the first 25 or so games by less than 5 points, (in some cases blew a 4th quarter lead) it became so deflating, that by december Phil through his hands in the air and quietly announce a fire sale, that's after 7 wks of basketball.

Between 2003 and 20010 we had a few seasons where we ended up winning no more than 30+ wins, we had multiple promising young players like lee, nate, gallo, douglas. Some of those guys played at least 3 season in NY, and got slightly better year after year, but never took a leap, just baby steps. Team never got better, and the future remain cloudy at best. You know what happen next, bye bye young players

DK I'm telling you know, there is enough fkn talent on this team to win 40 to 45 wins, and if they don't, I promise you, patience will run thin faster than you think, and they'll be more drastic changes. It's the nature of losing in a big market, not to mention that you have a top 5 pick that some people call a steal, or possible overall #1. Thats an impact guy, or suppose to be, baby steps are for late 1st rounders, and 2nd rounders. If you get that pick wrong, can you imagine the set back, especially with no pick in the following draft.

Dude 40 wins isn't a option, the bucks did last yr.

Look, I understand the team isn't overly talented, but get your guys to play hard defensively, quicken the pace for easy basket, hit your free throws, share the ball, and you will win your fair share of games. If a Coach can't do that, why do i need you?

I am a bit more optimistic about this team. I think Rolo, Afflalo, and a healthy Melo and Calderon will add a lot. If several of the group of Grant, Porzingis, Seraphin, O'Quinn, Williams, Vujacic, Early, Galloway etc. turn into solid contributing role players the Knicks will be in pretty good shape. I am hoping for 44-46 wins. Hopefully the depth and youth the Knicks have will help limit minutes and keep guys healthy.

And if the win total is between 25/30 games, what will your new assessment be?..Does it depend on how they play?

First off I would be wrong and really disappointed. It is a new team so for them to only win 25-30 games some of the guys brought in or coming back from injury would either have to get hurt or underachieve tremendously in my opinion. I think you would be looking at another version of resetting. Maybe Fisher gets moved upstairs. I don't see a team with a healthy Melo winning less than 35.

no team is ever "healthy" so the injury excuse will be there for all of you.

Are you expecting 25-30 wins? Also, are you suggesting injuries don't impact a teams success?

33 wins.

of course they do but every team has them. Selfish play is a really big reason for us having a good chance of not being good but that won't be used as a reason by many of you.

Many of you? Do you mean Knick fans?

No.

Melo fans.

Bring in another star to help Melo..Melo shoots 47% the first 17 sec of the clock..When the team looks to him the last 7 sec which usually ends in a rush shots he shoots 38%..You want a better Melo, get him help..

Look at LeBron fg% in Cleveland then Miami then back in Cleveland..Note the improvement as he played with better players and decrease with lessor players..Look at last year's playoff numbers minus Love and Kyre..

Melo is a great player who ruin his chances to be NBA winner by forcing himself on teams and getting max $$$ in the process.
He took money and celeb status over greatness.
Every man has his priorities and I respect Melo priorities.
But I would raze have guys who want to win over anything else and understand that greatness takes sacrifices including monetary.
Have no problem with him as a player - one of the NBA best scorers for sure.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:well if you guys are saying we win with talent, then give fisher and phil a complete pass last yr for not having talent, wtf is going to happen this yr if we win 15 extra games...we fckn tanked last season, that means we did everything possible to lose.

If we were trying to win, the team may have won 33 games with the squad they had, now were suppose to have a better squad and fans are happy with 33 wins.

Phil doesn't want to talk playoffs, somehow that sounds like "I don't want to hold anyone accountable if we don't make the playoffs"

No phil didn't get that 2nd star to roll with melo, and thats fine, but this team better be top 5 defensively.

you have lost whatever mind you may have ever had.

I would love to hear your 3 yr out look on this team, because you seem like your living in a 90's fantasy. Anyone who thinks 33 wins means we're on our way, is being completely naive.

Last season we lost 20 of the first 25 or so games by less than 5 points, (in some cases blew a 4th quarter lead) it became so deflating, that by december Phil through his hands in the air and quietly announce a fire sale, that's after 7 wks of basketball.

Between 2003 and 20010 we had a few seasons where we ended up winning no more than 30+ wins, we had multiple promising young players like lee, nate, gallo, douglas. Some of those guys played at least 3 season in NY, and got slightly better year after year, but never took a leap, just baby steps. Team never got better, and the future remain cloudy at best. You know what happen next, bye bye young players

DK I'm telling you know, there is enough fkn talent on this team to win 40 to 45 wins, and if they don't, I promise you, patience will run thin faster than you think, and they'll be more drastic changes. It's the nature of losing in a big market, not to mention that you have a top 5 pick that some people call a steal, or possible overall #1. Thats an impact guy, or suppose to be, baby steps are for late 1st rounders, and 2nd rounders. If you get that pick wrong, can you imagine the set back, especially with no pick in the following draft.

Dude 40 wins isn't a option, the bucks did last yr.

Look, I understand the team isn't overly talented, but get your guys to play hard defensively, quicken the pace for easy basket, hit your free throws, share the ball, and you will win your fair share of games. If a Coach can't do that, why do i need you?

I am a bit more optimistic about this team. I think Rolo, Afflalo, and a healthy Melo and Calderon will add a lot. If several of the group of Grant, Porzingis, Seraphin, O'Quinn, Williams, Vujacic, Early, Galloway etc. turn into solid contributing role players the Knicks will be in pretty good shape. I am hoping for 44-46 wins. Hopefully the depth and youth the Knicks have will help limit minutes and keep guys healthy.

And if the win total is between 25/30 games, what will your new assessment be?..Does it depend on how they play?

First off I would be wrong and really disappointed. It is a new team so for them to only win 25-30 games some of the guys brought in or coming back from injury would either have to get hurt or underachieve tremendously in my opinion. I think you would be looking at another version of resetting. Maybe Fisher gets moved upstairs. I don't see a team with a healthy Melo winning less than 35.

no team is ever "healthy" so the injury excuse will be there for all of you.

Are you expecting 25-30 wins? Also, are you suggesting injuries don't impact a teams success?

33 wins.

of course they do but every team has them. Selfish play is a really big reason for us having a good chance of not being good but that won't be used as a reason by many of you.

Many of you? Do you mean Knick fans?

No.

Melo fans.

Bring in another star to help Melo..Melo shoots 47% the first 17 sec of the clock..When the team looks to him the last 7 sec which usually ends in a rush shots he shoots 38%..You want a better Melo, get him help..

Look at LeBron fg% in Cleveland then Miami then back in Cleveland..Note the improvement as he played with better players and decrease with lessor players..Look at last year's playoff numbers minus Love and Kyre..

Melo is a great player who ruin his chances to be NBA winner by forcing himself on teams and getting max $$$ in the process.
He took money and celeb status over greatness.
Every man has his priorities and I respect Melo priorities.
But I would raze have guys who want to win over anything else and understand that greatness takes sacrifices including monetary.
Have no problem with him as a player - one of the NBA best scorers for sure.

Nalod wrote:Can argue anything but 5-35 with no pick is a disaster season and cleaning house is a reasonable statement.

Knicks1248 can define his definition all he wants. He obviously takes great pride in having a higher standard "Lombardi like" bar to set for the team.
Nixluva has 100 positive affirmations ready and waiting with obvious insight into what Phil and FIsh are thinking and feeling.

Neither of you are correct, or incorrect for that matter.

Season	                Lg	Team	         W	L	W/L%	Playoffs	        Coaches	                
Def Rank - 28th 2014-15	NBA	New York Knicks	 17	65	.207			        D. Fisher  (17-65)	
Def Rank - 24th 2013-14	NBA	New York Knicks	 37	45	.451			        M. Woodson (37-45)	
Def Rank - 18th 2012-13	NBA	New York Knicks* 54	28	.659	Lost E. Conf. Semis	M. Woodson (54-28)	
Def Rank - 5th  2011-12	NBA	New York Knicks* 36	30	.545	Lost E. Conf. 1st Rnd.	M. D (18-24), M. Woodson (18-6)
Def Rank - 22nd 2010-11	NBA	New York Knicks* 42	40	.512	Lost E. Conf. 1st Rnd.	M. D'Antoni (42-40)	
Def Rank - 16th 2009-10	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 53	29	.646	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (53-29)	
Def Rank - 8th  2008-09	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 54	28	.659	Lost W. Conf. Finals	G. Karl    (54-28)	
Def Rank - 10th 2007-08	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 50	32	.610	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (50-32)	
Def Rank - 11th 2006-07	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 45	37	.549	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (45-37)	
Def Rank - 13th 2005-06	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 44	38	.537	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	G. Karl    (44-38)	
Def Rank - 8th  2004-05	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 49	33	.598	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	J. Bzdelik (13-15), M. Cooper (4-10), G. Karl (32-8)
Def Rank - 13th 2003-04	NBA	Denver Nuggets*	 43	39	.524	Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.	J. Bzdelik (43-39)	

The 37 win team in 2013-14 should've won more games. That team had enough talent to win but didn't due in part to non basketball player issues. The issues with the team in 2013-14 weren't about Phil. In fact the team actually went on a win streak, to close the season, to even get to 37 wins. If Phil was a cause of dysfunction then why did the team close the season strong???

G	Date			Opponent	             NYK  Opp	W	L	Streak	Notes
61	Mon, Mar 3, 2014	@Detroit Pistons	L    85	  96	21	40	L 7	
62	Wed, Mar 5, 2014	@Minnesota Timberwolves	W    118  106	22	40	W 1	
63	Fri, Mar 7, 2014	Utah Jazz	        W    108  81	23	40	W 2	
64	Sat, Mar 8, 2014	@Cleveland Cavaliers	W    107  97	24	40	W 3	
65	Mon, Mar 10, 2014	Philadelphia 76ers	W    123  110	25	40	W 4	
66	Wed, Mar 12, 2014	@Boston Celtics	        W    116  92	26	40	W 5	
67	Sat, Mar 15, 2014	Milwaukee Bucks	        W    115  94	27	40	W 6	
68	Wed, Mar 19, 2014	Indiana Pacers	        W    92	  86	28	40	W 7	
69	Fri, Mar 21, 2014	@Philadelphia 76ers	W    93	  92	29	40	W 8	
70	Sun, Mar 23, 2014	Cleveland Cavaliers	L    100  106	29	41	L 1	
71	Tue, Mar 25, 2014	@Los Angeles Lakers	L    96	  127	29	42	L 2	
72	Wed, Mar 26, 2014	@Sacramento Kings	W    107  99	30	42	W 1	
73	Fri, Mar 28, 2014	@Phoenix Suns	        L    88	  112	30	43	L 1	
74	Sun, Mar 30, 2014	@Golden State Warriors	W    89	  84	31	43	W 1	
75	Mon, Mar 31, 2014	@Utah Jazz	        W    92	  83	32	43	W 2	
76	Wed, Apr 2, 2014	Brooklyn Nets	        W    110  81	33	43	W 3	
77	Fri, Apr 4, 2014	Washington Wizards	L    89	  90	33	44	L 1	
78	Sun, Apr 6, 2014	@Miami Heat	        L    91	  102	33	45	L 2	
79	Fri, Apr 11, 2014	@Toronto Raptors	W    108  100	34	45	W 1	
80	Sun, Apr 13, 2014	Chicago Bulls	        W    100  89	35	45	W 2	
G	Date					             NYK  Opp	W	L	Streak	Notes
81	Tue, Apr 15, 2014	@Brooklyn Nets	        W    109  98	36	45	W 3	
82	Wed, Apr 16, 2014	Toronto Raptors	        W    95	  92	37	45	W 4