knickscity wrote:Monroe may have picked the Knicks if they were appearing like a playoff team, which they werent at the time. The Bucks on the other hand made the playoffs without Jabari Parker. Really that simple. Monroe was in the plans, doesnt matter if he was a main plan or not, he was in it and if acquired Phil would have said no different than he is saying now....we got who we wanted.

Thing is Phil had a limit on what he valued for Monroe. Phil and Falk go WAAAAAY Back and it wouldn't be a stretch for Phil to do Falk a solid by being involved and raising Monroe's price. I think minus the Knicks it would've lowered his asking price. Phil had the money to go higher and also sweeten the deal with an ETO or No Trade.

YEAR	 	AGE	BASE SALARY	CAP HIT	        DEAD CAP
2015-16		25	$16,407,500	$16,407,500	$51,437,513
2016-17		26	$17,145,838	$17,145,838	$35,030,013
2017-18		27	$17,884,175	$17,884,175	$17,884,175
2018			UFA

nixluva wrote:I remember Phil saying that they had several combinations of FA acquisitions and the one they ended up with was one of them except for DWill who was not originally in the plans. This summer wasn't Phil just flailing wildly. There was a lot of planning. If Phil wanted Monroe so bad that he was a must get he could've made a max offer plus a No Trade or ETO. I don't believe he was that hard up for Monroe based on how things went down.

Monroe did get an ETO. No, Phil couldn't offer a NTC; a player needs to be with the same team for X amount of years before they can get a NTC.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Monroe may have picked the Knicks if they were appearing like a playoff team, which they werent at the time. The Bucks on the other hand made the playoffs without Jabari Parker. Really that simple. Monroe was in the plans, doesnt matter if he was a main plan or not, he was in it and if acquired Phil would have said no different than he is saying now....we got who we wanted.

Thing is Phil had a limit on what he valued for Monroe. Phil and Falk go WAAAAAY Back and it wouldn't be a stretch for Phil to do Falk a solid by being involved and raising Monroe's price. I think minus the Knicks it would've lowered his asking price. Phil had the money to go higher and also sweeten the deal with an ETO or No Trade.

YEAR	 	AGE	BASE SALARY	CAP HIT	        DEAD CAP
2015-16		25	$16,407,500	$16,407,500	$51,437,513
2016-17		26	$17,145,838	$17,145,838	$35,030,013
2017-18		27	$17,884,175	$17,884,175	$17,884,175
2018			UFA

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Monroe may have picked the Knicks if they were appearing like a playoff team, which they werent at the time. The Bucks on the other hand made the playoffs without Jabari Parker. Really that simple. Monroe was in the plans, doesnt matter if he was a main plan or not, he was in it and if acquired Phil would have said no different than he is saying now....we got who we wanted.

Thing is Phil had a limit on what he valued for Monroe. Phil and Falk go WAAAAAY Back and it wouldn't be a stretch for Phil to do Falk a solid by being involved and raising Monroe's price. I think minus the Knicks it would've lowered his asking price. Phil had the money to go higher and also sweeten the deal with an ETO or No Trade.

YEAR	 	AGE	BASE SALARY	CAP HIT	        DEAD CAP
2015-16		25	$16,407,500	$16,407,500	$51,437,513
2016-17		26	$17,145,838	$17,145,838	$35,030,013
2017-18		27	$17,884,175	$17,884,175	$17,884,175
2018			UFA

As explained from another post, Phil couldnt offer a no trade. But at any rate, it's really just a matter of what you believe. Phil didnt say he didnt offer a max deal, but the agent said he did. I'm not one to prescribe that the meeting was basically "Hey, meet with us to make your price higher for his team of choice". Not endorsing that one, just not logical.

If we all agree that Monroe wasn't the greatest get as a FA why do we believe Phil would look at him that way? I like Monroe, but he's not a complete big man and in particular wasn't going to solve this team's biggest problem. Monroe doesn't fix the defensive hole in the middle, so why would he have been a higher priority than DeAndre? IMO it's clear that Phil was much higher on DeAndre than Monroe. This is why I don't believe David Falk that Phil offered the max to Monroe. Not while there was still a better option in DeAndre out there. That wouldn't make sense for Phil to do that. I'm sure there might have been some inference but no official offer of the Max IMO. I think Phil moved on to his next options. Waiting on DeAndre and at the same time securing an agreement with rRoLo was probably more in line with what Phil wanted to do.

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On the Knicks?

You draft Kristaps Porzingis, sign Kyle O'Quinn, Kevin Seraphin who can play both 4 and 5, and add the dice roll on another PF Derrick Williams only to go back to Melo at the 4, where he gets his buckets but acts as a defensive sieve and causes his center to get into foul trouble to make up for his lack of D...

If this is the plan, then don't sign me up.

gunsnewing wrote:We will get killed on the boards with a Melo/Lopez at PF/C

Sure Melo might play some PF vs some of the pathetic teams in the East but this is typical training camp fodder. If the past 4yrs showed us anything it is to not but too much stock into anything Melo says during training camp. So IMO this is being completely blown out of proportion. A lot of fuss about nothing.

Besides when was the last time a $25mil "franchise" basketball player had to be moved to to a different position to be successful? This isn't baseball where you just shuffle jus around because they are old or suffered a career altering injury

Disagree completely on all points

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Is this due to age, injury, and him slowing down? It sure as heck has nothing to do with the acquisitions made by Phil in the offseason.

Are we expecting Aflalo, Williams, Thomas, Vujacic, Early, or Thanasis to be getting most of the minutes at the 3?

Lopez, Seraphin, KP, and O'Quinn were brought on take up the minutes at 4 and 5, and Williams has traditionally been a 4. Give Anthony his 32-35 minutes at the 4, and you have about 61-64 minutes for all these guys at the 4/5 slots.

I expect Anthony to get time at the 4, but all of his time? Would mean a reevaluation of the moves Jackson made in the offseason, IMO.

honestly melo thinking he's going to play the power forward is going to cause real problems. why can't he just shout the fvck up for once?!?

dk7th wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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Is this due to age, injury, and him slowing down? It sure as heck has nothing to do with the acquisitions made by Phil in the offseason.

Are we expecting Aflalo, Williams, Thomas, Vujacic, Early, or Thanasis to be getting most of the minutes at the 3?

Lopez, Seraphin, KP, and O'Quinn were brought on take up the minutes at 4 and 5, and Williams has traditionally been a 4. Give Anthony his 32-35 minutes at the 4, and you have about 61-64 minutes for all these guys at the 4/5 slots.

I expect Anthony to get time at the 4, but all of his time? Would mean a reevaluation of the moves Jackson made in the offseason, IMO.

honestly melo thinking he's going to play the power forward is going to cause real problems. why can't he just shout the fvck up for once?!?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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Is this due to age, injury, and him slowing down? It sure as heck has nothing to do with the acquisitions made by Phil in the offseason.

Are we expecting Aflalo, Williams, Thomas, Vujacic, Early, or Thanasis to be getting most of the minutes at the 3?

Lopez, Seraphin, KP, and O'Quinn were brought on take up the minutes at 4 and 5, and Williams has traditionally been a 4. Give Anthony his 32-35 minutes at the 4, and you have about 61-64 minutes for all these guys at the 4/5 slots.

I expect Anthony to get time at the 4, but all of his time? Would mean a reevaluation of the moves Jackson made in the offseason, IMO.

honestly melo thinking he's going to play the power forward is going to cause real problems. why can't he just shout the fvck up for once?!?

I didn't see the press conference but reading the quotes attributed to him he said a lot of good things. This one is puzzling as was his initial response to the Porzingis question. His actions with his teammates are what matters but he has a way of saying something that causes everyone to pause.
I do think he plays the 4 some next year.

of course he will play a few minutes at the 4.