He is very inefficient compared to Caledron. Caledron over his career has acheived a damn high 575% TS average. Bradley Beal is subordinate to Caledron in everything that involves shooting and it is not even close.

Bradley much like Caledron is also very injury prone;thus, we can't depend on this guy to be our second star on our team.

In terms of impact, once again, Bradley Beal doesn't even come close to being the impact player that Caledron is over his career. His WS48 is a average to mediocre .81 compared to Jose's 127.

I'm not saying that Bradley won't become a much better player in the future. His impact in the playoffs no doubt was very good, but it is way too big of a risk to sign an injury prone, inefficient and non-impactful(regular season) player in hopes that he can change our team.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

Phil did it with a 30 year old who fits your description to a T. Beal will get max, the landscape will not allow less.

I agree that it will happen but its still dumb

TPercy wrote:I can't believe this is actually being argued.

He is very inefficient compared to Caledron. Caledron over his career has acheived a damn high 575% TS average. Bradley Beal is subordinate to Caledron in everything that involves shooting and it is not even close.

Bradley much like Caledron is also very injury prone;thus, we can't depend on this guy to be our second star on our team.

In terms of impact, once again, Bradley Beal doesn't even come close to being the impact player that Caledron is over his career. His WS48 is a average to mediocre .81 compared to Jose's 127.

I'm not saying that Bradley won't become a much better player in the future. His impact in the playoffs no doubt was very good, but it is way too big of a risk to sign an injury prone, inefficient and non-impactful(regular season) player in hopes that he can change our team.

To be honest comparing him to Calderon might be the silliest thing I've seen in a while. I'd love to see when calderon has ever averaged 23 points in a playoff series. I also find it odd while Calderon is praised for his efficiency, why wasnt his PER in his last playoff series with Dallas only a 13? Beal on the other hand has been above average both times he's played, and he just turned 22. he already has one skill locked down...his three point shot is legit and that is efficient. What kills him is the long two's which can easily be altered, and he has noted that himself.

“I have to do as much as I can as best as I can to eliminate those long twos and get to the basket, get to the free throw line,” Beal told Martin in Los Angeles. “Those are just easy points.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2015/09/25/wizards-have-offered-bradley-beal-a-contract-extension/

He is also an excellent rebounder and can distribute the rock.

Calderon is efficient only because he picks when to shoot, like a pg should, but make no mistake Calderon is a massive liability on both ends. task Calderon with being a scoring option and he will fail you. beal isnt a pg, thus making the comparison and the criteria a brain dead comparison.

The two players arent comparable at all. One is young has legit all around skill and the other is just plain old in every facet of the game.

Players getting their first big deal usually arent putting up stats to warrant it immediately, they grow into them though, and for a player who seems to rise during the playoffs, this is a no brainer.

By your analysis you'd take Calderon over Kobe.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

Phil did it with a 30 year old who fits your description to a T. Beal will get max, the landscape will not allow less.

I agree that it will happen but its still dumb

It would be dumber to let him go and someone else do it which is guaranteed to happen. i do find it funny folks are dissing the kid. if he were a Knick he'd be praised as the next James Harden.

not dissing him, I just think its silly to max him and I don't care if there are other silly teams out there too.

Nobody will ever in their right minds compare him to Harden.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

Phil did it with a 30 year old who fits your description to a T. Beal will get max, the landscape will not allow less.

I agree that it will happen but its still dumb

It would be dumber to let him go and someone else do it which is guaranteed to happen. i do find it funny folks are dissing the kid. if he were a Knick he'd be praised as the next James Harden.

not dissing him, I just think its silly to max him and I don't care if there are other silly teams out there too.

Nobody will ever in their right minds compare him to Harden.

Just curious, what would you pay him? I wouldnt rule it out comparison-wise, he's being compared to calderon in this very thread....lol.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

Phil did it with a 30 year old who fits your description to a T. Beal will get max, the landscape will not allow less.

I agree that it will happen but its still dumb

It would be dumber to let him go and someone else do it which is guaranteed to happen. i do find it funny folks are dissing the kid. if he were a Knick he'd be praised as the next James Harden.

not dissing him, I just think its silly to max him and I don't care if there are other silly teams out there too.

Nobody will ever in their right minds compare him to Harden.

Harden is 4 years older than Beal...Harden and Beal had similar stats the first three years of their careers both regular season and post season...

They really didnt, but I do think folks would be touting him as the next one.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

Phil did it with a 30 year old who fits your description to a T. Beal will get max, the landscape will not allow less.

I agree that it will happen but its still dumb

It would be dumber to let him go and someone else do it which is guaranteed to happen. i do find it funny folks are dissing the kid. if he were a Knick he'd be praised as the next James Harden.

not dissing him, I just think its silly to max him and I don't care if there are other silly teams out there too.

Nobody will ever in their right minds compare him to Harden.

Harden is 4 years older than Beal...Harden and Beal had similar stats the first three years of their careers both regular season and post season...

They really didnt, but I do think folks would be touting him as the next one.

Beal first 3 years...
Regular season

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	   FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'12-'13	 WSH    56	46	31.2	5.0-12.3  .410	1.6-4.2	.386	2.2-2.8	.786	0.8	3.0	3.8	2.4	0.5	0.9	2.0	1.6	13.9
'13-'14	 WSH    73	73	34.7	6.6-15.7  .419	1.9-4.7	.402	2.0-2.6	.788	0.7	3.0	3.7	3.3	0.2	1.0	2.1	1.8	17.1
'14-'15	 WSH     63	59	33.4	5.8-13.5  .427	1.7-4.1	.409	2.1-2.6	.783	0.9	2.9	3.8	3.1	0.3	1.2	2.2	2.0	15.3

Post Season:

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

Harden first 3 years:
Regular Season

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	 FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'09-'10	 OKC     76	0	22.9	3.1-7.6	 .403	1.2-3.3	.375	2.6-3.2	.808	0.6	2.6	3.2	1.8	0.3	1.1	2.6	1.4	9.9
'10-'11	 OKC     82	5	26.7	3.6-8.3	 .436	1.4-4.0	.349	3.5-4.2	.843	0.5	2.6	3.1	2.1	0.3	1.1	2.5	1.3	12.2
'11-'12	 OKC     62	2	31.4	5.0-10.1 .491	1.8-4.7	.390	5.0-6.0	.846	0.5	3.6	4.1	3.7	0.2	1.0	2.4	2.2	16.8

Post Season:

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	 FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'09-'10	 OKC    6	0	20.0	2.0-5.2	 .387	1.0-2.7	.375	2.7-3.2	.842	0.2	2.3	2.5	1.8	0.2	1.0	2.3	0.5	7.7
'10-'11	 OKC    17	0	31.6	3.9-8.2	 .475	1.4-4.5	.303	3.9-4.7	.825	0.6	4.8	5.4	3.6	0.8	1.2	2.8	1.6	13.0
'11-'12	 OKC    20	0	31.5	4.7-10.7 .435	1.6-3.9	.410	5.4-6.3	.857	0.7	4.5	5.1	3.4	0.1	1.6	3.4	2.1	16.3

Harden in year 3 had an FG of 49+, shot > 57% from 2, shot about 85 pct from the line. He also shoots lots of 3's that bring down his FG% but who cares, they are worth more points so of course nobody is dumb enough to look at FG anymore.

well ... they are both guards so they are kinda similar SMH

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:Oy vey holfresh ... FT's are part of efficiency.

Harden in year 3 had an FG of 49+, shot > 57% from 2, shot about 85 pct from the line. He also shoots lots of 3's that bring down his FG% but who cares, they are worth more points so of course nobody is dumb enough to look at FG anymore.

well ... they are both guards so they are kinda similar SMH

Not that you care because I have disputed all the stats you live by...TS% gives an unfair advantage to free throw shooters because it doesn't take into account shot attempts as one would with FG attempts...It not magic, it's within the formula...So a guy who scored two point at the free throw line will invariably have a higher TS% than a guy who hit a lay up..It's dumb...But for some reason you guys think it magically signifies some one is efficient..Run with it...

Taking a shot and missing becomes efficient if he is rewarding unguarded shots worth the same total points. Jarden doesnt sit around jacking up mid range jumpers, he shoots threes and attacks the rack. Beal is half way there, in no way were they comparable though.

Boxscores will not show 0-5 from the field...10 points