Robin Lopez is a 7 year vet and could've been paid more.

Years in NBA	Defined Max Salary	2015-16
0-6	        25%	                $15,700,314
7-9	        30%	                $18,840,376
10+	        35%	                $21,980,439

Robin got a fair contract for his level.

Marcin Gortat's contract:

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $60,000,000 - AVERAGE SALARY $12,000,000 - SIGNED USING: Bird

Robin Lopez's contract:

CONTRACT: 4 yr(s) / $54,015,500 - AVERAGE SALARY $13,503,875 - SIGNED USING: Cap Space

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:In the end the fear mongering over the Knicks possibly being shut out didn't happen and so they went with the next attack, which is they overpaid. BULL ISH.

Robin Lopez is a 7 year vet and could've been paid more.

Years in NBA	Defined Max Salary	2015-16
0-6	        25%	                $15,700,314
7-9	        30%	                $18,840,376
10+	        35%	                $21,980,439

Robin got a fair contract for his level.

Marcin Gortat's contract:

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $60,000,000 - AVERAGE SALARY $12,000,000 - SIGNED USING: Bird

Robin Lopez's contract:

CONTRACT: 4 yr(s) / $54,015,500 - AVERAGE SALARY $13,503,875 - SIGNED USING: Cap Space

nothing wrong with admitting we had to overpay a bit. Still happy lopez is a knick

CrushAlot wrote:^^^I might have posted it. I remember it and that you didn't agree with it and attacked the writer. Not Lawerence's best work for sure. I like rant but I don't see it as that different from the article posted here written by that journalism student.

NY Times more credible??
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/sports/basketball/robin-lopez-and-knicks-are-close-to-a-deal.html?_r=0

The Knicks are paying a fairly steep price for Lopez, who is a solid defender and rebounder but a limited scorer. Lopez, 27, whose twin, Brook, plays for the Nets, averaged 10.5 points and 7.8 rebounds as the Portland Trail Blazers’ starting center the past two seasons.

Lopez earned about $6.1 million last season with Portland. The Knicks are more than doubling his salary, a reflection of their need to fill the vacancies in their frontcourt and a looming rise in the salary cap. The cap is expected to jump from about $67 million this summer to $88 million (or more) next summer, as the league collects revenue from a lucrative new television deal.

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^I might have posted it. I remember it and that you didn't agree with it and attacked the writer. Not Lawerence's best work for sure. I like rant but I don't see it as that different from the article posted here written by that journalism student.

NY Times more credible??
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/sports/basketball/robin-lopez-and-knicks-are-close-to-a-deal.html?_r=0

The Knicks are paying a fairly steep price for Lopez, who is a solid defender and rebounder but a limited scorer. Lopez, 27, whose twin, Brook, plays for the Nets, averaged 10.5 points and 7.8 rebounds as the Portland Trail Blazers’ starting center the past two seasons.

Lopez earned about $6.1 million last season with Portland. The Knicks are more than doubling his salary, a reflection of their need to fill the vacancies in their frontcourt and a looming rise in the salary cap. The cap is expected to jump from about $67 million this summer to $88 million (or more) next summer, as the league collects revenue from a lucrative new television deal.

Fairly steep price and overpay are not the same thing though, right? So it doesn't really fit your narrative.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:In the end the fear mongering over the Knicks possibly being shut out didn't happen and so they went with the next attack, which is they overpaid. BULL ISH.

Robin Lopez is a 7 year vet and could've been paid more.

Years in NBA	Defined Max Salary	2015-16
0-6	        25%	                $15,700,314
7-9	        30%	                $18,840,376
10+	        35%	                $21,980,439

Robin got a fair contract for his level.

Marcin Gortat's contract:

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $60,000,000 - AVERAGE SALARY $12,000,000 - SIGNED USING: Bird

Robin Lopez's contract:

CONTRACT: 4 yr(s) / $54,015,500 - AVERAGE SALARY $13,503,875 - SIGNED USING: Cap Space

nothing wrong with admitting we had to overpay a bit. Still happy lopez is a knick

Since the CBA dictates max dollars, we didnt overpay. nix logic.

No it's F'n common sense!!! Free Agents get paid and overpaid!!! FA Centers REALLY get paid. I mean this is the dumbest ISH ever. RoLo wasn't vastly overpaid. He was in range of what you'd expect to pay, but FA's were getting some outrageous contracts this summer and still it won't matter what we gave RoLo as the Cap goes up. People just want to find anything to bash the moves the Knicks made even when there's nothing to really complain about. It's a knee jerk reaction with some Knicks fans.

Phil was very serious about landing either DeAndre or RoLo. He had his reasons and wanted to cement the deal and some want to bash him for locking up RoLo while still being in the hunt for DeAndre??? That was a great move. Some Knicks fans just can't accept any good news for what it is. Many media guys were thinking the Knicks would be shut out and they weren't. Just more Anti Knick BS.

They were shut out on top talent, quite a few teams were. Everyone Phil signed was an overpay. Lopez received a fully guaranteed deal that doubled his previous salary after having an injured season. that is an overpay no matter how you slice it. And yes that would be in the gross category, as he will be making upper starter dollars despite playing 6th man type minutes.

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:In the end the fear mongering over the Knicks possibly being shut out didn't happen and so they went with the next attack, which is they overpaid. BULL ISH.

Robin Lopez is a 7 year vet and could've been paid more.

Years in NBA	Defined Max Salary	2015-16
0-6	        25%	                $15,700,314
7-9	        30%	                $18,840,376
10+	        35%	                $21,980,439

Robin got a fair contract for his level.

Marcin Gortat's contract:

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $60,000,000 - AVERAGE SALARY $12,000,000 - SIGNED USING: Bird

Robin Lopez's contract:

CONTRACT: 4 yr(s) / $54,015,500 - AVERAGE SALARY $13,503,875 - SIGNED USING: Cap Space

nothing wrong with admitting we had to overpay a bit. Still happy lopez is a knick

Since the CBA dictates max dollars, we didnt overpay. nix logic.

No it's F'n common sense!!! Free Agents get paid and overpaid!!! FA Centers REALLY get paid. I mean this is the dumbest ISH ever. RoLo wasn't vastly overpaid. He was in range of what you'd expect to pay, but FA's were getting some outrageous contracts this summer and still it won't matter what we gave RoLo as the Cap goes up. People just want to find anything to bash the moves the Knicks made even when there's nothing to really complain about. It's a knee jerk reaction with some Knicks fans.

Phil was very serious about landing either DeAndre or RoLo. He had his reasons and wanted to cement the deal and some want to bash him for locking up RoLo while still being in the hunt for DeAndre??? That was a great move. Some Knicks fans just can't accept any good news for what it is. Many media guys were thinking the Knicks would be shut out and they weren't. Just more Anti Knick BS.

They were shut out on top talent, quite a few teams were. Everyone Phil signed was an overpay. Lopez received a fully guaranteed deal that doubled his previous salary after having an injured season. that is an overpay no matter how you slice it. And yes that would be in the gross category, as he will be making upper starter dollars despite playing 6th man type minutes.

yeah i expected that we pretty much had to overpay considering the lack of wins and talent. The afflalo deal was reasonable though. Didnt like the williams deal. Liked lopez but like you said we had to give more

The issue I have with all the signings is that it appears Phil just handed out contracts. Unproven guys with player guarantees and vesting futures into guys who are barely role players. Even Afflalo got a raise and a player option coming off arguably his worst season. Perhaps it all pans out. if so, then they become good signings.

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:In the end the fear mongering over the Knicks possibly being shut out didn't happen and so they went with the next attack, which is they overpaid. BULL ISH.

Robin Lopez is a 7 year vet and could've been paid more.

Years in NBA	Defined Max Salary	2015-16
0-6	        25%	                $15,700,314
7-9	        30%	                $18,840,376
10+	        35%	                $21,980,439

Robin got a fair contract for his level.

Marcin Gortat's contract:

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $60,000,000 - AVERAGE SALARY $12,000,000 - SIGNED USING: Bird

Robin Lopez's contract:

CONTRACT: 4 yr(s) / $54,015,500 - AVERAGE SALARY $13,503,875 - SIGNED USING: Cap Space

nothing wrong with admitting we had to overpay a bit. Still happy lopez is a knick

Since the CBA dictates max dollars, we didnt overpay. nix logic.

No it's F'n common sense!!! Free Agents get paid and overpaid!!! FA Centers REALLY get paid. I mean this is the dumbest ISH ever. RoLo wasn't vastly overpaid. He was in range of what you'd expect to pay, but FA's were getting some outrageous contracts this summer and still it won't matter what we gave RoLo as the Cap goes up. People just want to find anything to bash the moves the Knicks made even when there's nothing to really complain about. It's a knee jerk reaction with some Knicks fans.

Phil was very serious about landing either DeAndre or RoLo. He had his reasons and wanted to cement the deal and some want to bash him for locking up RoLo while still being in the hunt for DeAndre??? That was a great move. Some Knicks fans just can't accept any good news for what it is. Many media guys were thinking the Knicks would be shut out and they weren't. Just more Anti Knick BS.

They were shut out on top talent, quite a few teams were. Everyone Phil signed was an overpay. Lopez received a fully guaranteed deal that doubled his previous salary after having an injured season. that is an overpay no matter how you slice it. And yes that would be in the gross category, as he will be making upper starter dollars despite playing 6th man type minutes.

yeah i expected that we pretty much had to overpay considering the lack of wins and talent. The afflalo deal was reasonable though. Didnt like the williams deal. Liked lopez but like you said we had to give more

The issue I have with all the signings is that it appears Phil just handed out contracts. Unproven guys with player guarantees and vesting futures into guys who are barely role players. Even Afflalo got a raise and a player option coming off arguably his worst season. Perhaps it all pans out. if so, then they become good signings.

thats fair. I just wish we had our pick from the terrible bargnani trade. I cant blame phil since he couldnt do nothing otherwise he would be crucified. My favorite signings were serephin and oquinn but obviously those guys arent enough to make a huge impact. I think phils best move as a executive has been jerian grant

Phil has drafted well imo. I do think he's below Isiah in the talent acquisition/trade dept though. But as I stated, if it pans out, then it all becomes good signings.

nixluva wrote:Isiah has drafted well in his career:

While with the Toronto Raptors and New York Knicks, Thomas had a Net Expected Wins Average of +1.7 per pick. Thomas drafted Damon Stoudamire seventh overall in 1995 and Tracy McGrady at ninth during his tenure with the Raptors. David Lee, Trevor Ariza, Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson were all high value picks with the Knicks.

Phil is just getting started but I think he's done very well considering what he's had to work with. It will obviously take time to really judge Phil drafts so this isn't something we can really gauge at this early stage.

I like the fact that Phil is actually drafting with a plan in mind. It's more about team building than just collecting talent as seems to be the case with Hinkie. When you don't have a lot of picks to waste you have to be more targeted and shrewd. Phil has been handicapped by the lack of picks to some degree. After this coming draft we'll have picks in the future.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Isiah has drafted well in his career:

While with the Toronto Raptors and New York Knicks, Thomas had a Net Expected Wins Average of +1.7 per pick. Thomas drafted Damon Stoudamire seventh overall in 1995 and Tracy McGrady at ninth during his tenure with the Raptors. David Lee, Trevor Ariza, Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson were all high value picks with the Knicks.

Phil is just getting started but I think he's done very well considering what he's had to work with. It will obviously take time to really judge Phil drafts so this isn't something we can really gauge at this early stage.

I like the fact that Phil is actually drafting with a plan in mind. It's more about team building than just collecting talent as seems to be the case with Hinkie. When you don't have a lot of picks to waste you have to be more targeted and shrewd. Phil has been handicapped by the lack of picks to some degree. After this coming draft we'll have picks in the future.

i love phils drafting so far. In fact his drafts are miles ahead better than his trades/signings. However i do like some of his signings this summer

Well many of his trades have been more about getting rid of guys than actually bringing in superior talent. Now that the purging is mostly over there should be more of a shift towards moves that bring in better talent. Phil will be dealing more from a position of strength as we move along as opposed to desperation to get rid of guys.

This is an ongoing process of building this team up. The young guys we have now need to be developed and schooled in this culture and system of team ball. Phil's difference is that he's focusing on adding Team Oriented players for a Team Oriented style of play. If you're gonna run a Ball and Player Motion system then you need guys who have a high BB IQ and are disposed to being unselfish. The more guys you can get like that the better. You don't want to zero players who have a scoring mentality cuz that can be a problem as well. You want a good balance, which I think Phil is achieving.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Isiah has drafted well in his career:

While with the Toronto Raptors and New York Knicks, Thomas had a Net Expected Wins Average of +1.7 per pick. Thomas drafted Damon Stoudamire seventh overall in 1995 and Tracy McGrady at ninth during his tenure with the Raptors. David Lee, Trevor Ariza, Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson were all high value picks with the Knicks.

Phil is just getting started but I think he's done very well considering what he's had to work with. It will obviously take time to really judge Phil drafts so this isn't something we can really gauge at this early stage.

I like the fact that Phil is actually drafting with a plan in mind. It's more about team building than just collecting talent as seems to be the case with Hinkie. When you don't have a lot of picks to waste you have to be more targeted and shrewd. Phil has been handicapped by the lack of picks to some degree. After this coming draft we'll have picks in the future.

i love phils drafting so far. In fact his drafts are miles ahead better than his trades/signings. However i do like some of his signings this summer

Well many of his trades have been more about getting rid of guys than actually bringing in superior talent. Now that the purging is mostly over there should be more of a shift towards moves that bring in better talent. Phil will be dealing more from a position of strength as we move along as opposed to desperation to get rid of guys.

This is an ongoing process of building this team up. The young guys we have now need to be developed and schooled in this culture and system of team ball. Phil's difference is that he's focusing on adding Team Oriented players for a Team Oriented style of play. If you're gonna run a Ball and Player Motion system then you need guys who have a high BB IQ and are disposed to being unselfish. The more guys you can get like that the better. You don't want to zero players who have a scoring mentality cuz that can be a problem as well. You want a good balance, which I think Phil is achieving.

come on man its ok to say he has made some questionable trades. For the most part he has done well but not perfect

I've never said anything about Phil being perfect and have stated not everything has worked as planned. Why do you insist on trying to get me to state something I don't believe? I said what I believe and if I felt that he was making bad trades I would say that. He hasn't been making most of his trades with the idea that he was going to get back a player who was better than what he traded away in terms of talent. Tyson, JR, Iman were all deals to basically get rid of players as opposed to bringing in a player that was expected to be a more talented or even equally talented player. It was understood we were sending away the better talent. The Prigs trade was about getting a younger player and assets. The THJ trade was with the idea that we could get someone better in the draft and IMO we did with Jerian.