holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...

walsh started that process, at stern's insistence, in 2008, which was 7 years ago....

You mean when they were trading first round picks to clear cap space to make a run at LeBron then end up with Amare for 100 mil over 5??..We just got Amare off the books last year..

if walsh had as much clout as jackson, or had simply been allowed to do his job without the dolan/thomas meddling tag team, we would be further along... but no, you are a fan of dolan because he is an owner who is "willing to spend his money" provided that he is allowed to intervene at certain times to get players like melo....

We would have DWill and Amare on the roster..

no.

you don't know what walsh would have done if he were allowed to build the team with complete autonomy.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...

walsh started that process, at stern's insistence, in 2008, which was 7 years ago....

You mean when they were trading first round picks to clear cap space to make a run at LeBron then end up with Amare for 100 mil over 5??..We just got Amare off the books last year..

if walsh had as much clout as jackson, or had simply been allowed to do his job without the dolan/thomas meddling tag team, we would be further along... but no, you are a fan of dolan because he is an owner who is "willing to spend his money" provided that he is allowed to intervene at certain times to get players like melo....

We would have DWill and Amare on the roster..

no.

you don't know what walsh would have done if he were allowed to build the team with complete autonomy.

WaltLongmire wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.

JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

they were playing with lebron james, who took it upon himself to take 27 shots a game, which is 5 more per game than what he took in 2008-2009, when he was playing with such stellar talent as the pshycho delonte west and mo frickin williams.

no one player can carry a team to a title, which is perfect evidence for why developing teamwork and chemistry is vital, along with an emphasis on defense. jackson himself observed they were not playing team ball, and you know why? because smith and shumpert are incapable, something lebron clearly surmised....

Some folks seem to forget what JR and Shump did in those finals

            FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA    3P%
Smith       24/77       31%     15/51      29% 
Shumpert    11/43       26%     8/25       32%

Between the 2 of them...1.7 APG

I like Shumpert, but I recall how embarrassing it was one time in the GS series when I saw him give up the ball to James after a defensive rebound, instead of bringing it up the floor like a guard should. It was clear that Lebron did not trust any guard on the team to even bring the ball up. Shump still can't finish at the basket after all these years, and his confidence as an offensive player is fragile beyond belief. Fits well on a team that does not rely on him to do any thinking on offense.

JR is JR. You can't trust him on so many levels, and his shooting performance in the finals, when James was desperate for a secondary scorer, was pathetic, although it was still not as bad as the performance he had against the Pacers when he was a Knick. The only thing consistent about him is his inconsistency. The folks around in NYC who miss him the most, after you of course, are his party crew, the ones he was probably hanging out with in the wee hours of the morning during that Pacer series.

Both of these guys need to be on a team where whey have limited roles and in JR's case, are kept in their place by strong leadership on the team.

I could care less about Smith, but I hope that Shumpert can improve his game and have a good career.

I could care less about Smith, but I hope that Shumpert can improve his game and have a good career.

I think he has 40mm$ reasons to think that the Cavs have faith in him.

RedmenBaller wrote:I know everyone hates to admit the obvious but we have an All Star surrounded by has-Beens and never have-beens. There is no one other than Melo that is a legitimate NBA impact player. No matter what you hope for in these players, they are just going to continue to be mediocre. KP, as much as we all want to be a star, is a long shot at best and not the 4th best pick in draft. Phil is getting paid ten times more as GM so that he would attract better talent. Yet he presents us with Lopez and Afalo?

Starting to believe the only thing Dolan got was a bigger ego than his. It seems obvious that Jacksons ego has thought it okay to bad mouth every exiting Knick player. Refuse Meetings with free agents. Talk Negatively About his first pick in this years draft. Give his coach no flexibility in offensive schemes. Just don't seem like characteristics of GM who wants to be successful in the league. More like someone who wants to retire. Kerr obviously knew the size of his ego, which was loudly on display during the interviewing process. Starting to see why he ran. And for those that call this a "sky is falling" thread, mark it down for discussion two years from now when Phi retires and leaves us with a team full of role players.

Most critics have thought Phil did a "solid" job and added a rookie that has big upside. Seems that the "Refuse meetings with free agents" is not as accurate as we were lead to believe. In time we learned Aldridge and Jordan had considered Knicks and reasons for not taking it further were solid. With "Phil Notes" we gain more insight and honest opinions than we are used to. He worries KP might be too tall. Thats not dissing his player, its just being honest. Kerr won a chip, thats not Phils ego, thats just smart. If Phil was the egomaniac you paint him he would not offered his blessing to take the gig. Kerr was stated he felt obligated to the opportunity knicks gave him.

You have your bone to pick with Phil, but you offer little alternative and you have the benefit of questioning it all with the clarity of hindsight. seems you want style over substance and a starphuch scenario to get pumped. This was a solid off season. 17 games is a lousy team with huge problems. We moved forward. How much? We'll know when the games start.

You're friggin' missing out on the fun part my friend! We just got new organs, new blood transfusion, new hope!

Enjoy the ride.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.

JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

Oh my! Dude, JR and Shump? I prefer Grant and the new dudes we have I. The roster right now. Smarter, two-way players, and a lot more versatile.

dk7th wrote:

RedmenBaller wrote:

dk7th wrote:

RedmenBaller wrote:

TPercy wrote:

RedmenBaller wrote:

TPercy wrote:Melo is the only legit NBA impact player on the team? Are you holfresh in disguise or is his stupidity rubbing off on you?

Let's try. Who else do you consider an NBA impact player and not a role player on this year's squad? Don't know what holfresh is but would bet more than 75% of basketball media, players, coaches would find it okay to label Melo as the only impact player on the team. As he was an All Star for quite some time.

So by. Nba impact player, you mean all star ?

Hmmm. Yes. Scoring champion. Someone who commands double teams. Someone who opposing teams key on. Someone who draws all of defensive attention and perennial Allstar qualifies as impact player. Heat had three.

Still waiting on who else on team you think the NBA is worried about. Or is this just another you hate Melo discussion?

scoring champion 44.9% field goal and 35.6 usage... steerike one

perennial allstar as voted on by the fans, ie a popularity contest... steerike two

someone who commands double teams but never seems to make plays for others out of those double teams... steerike three

melo's problem is that he loves money and wants as much as he can gobble up regardless of his actual value to a winning cause. if he understood his actual value he would have had more opportunities to be on contenders but 2011 and 2014 made that impossible.

but yes, lets do put the burden on his "supporting cast."

Burden the rest of the team? Lmao. Why would you burden the rest of team in team sport.

Your finally right. Melo has lots of money. As perennial All-stars usually get paid very well. That and over hyped Asian guys that play well for one month (15m). Or centers that sit the bench in the playoffs (16m)

1) 44% shooting is quite good when hide the ball.with less than 3 seconds on.clock because no other player on Team can create their own shot.

2) Your right, all those scrubs on All Star teams are just fan favorites.

3) Lebron learned not to pass it to scrubs Melo played with as well.

whatever intoxicants you are taking at the moment are impairing you. wtf is this gobbledygook?

Tremendously brilliant repose, dk7th. Truly enlightening.

Please, follow this up with more about what you don't know about Russell and Chamberlain.

Nalod wrote:Holfresh, getting to the regular season record was on Lebron, Kyrie and Love was feeling good and coming around the last 20 games.

In the playoffs Love went in the first round, Kyrie was done by finals. Lebron's play is largely taken for granted as he has been carrying teams to the finals 5 years in a row!!

Nobody said JR and Shump are talentless slobs, but a team that in Phils first year proved worthy of a tear down, they did so in a year with a draft pick.
KP was not a "Win now" type.
In the old days Dolan would have wanted that or the pick traded on draft day to give Melo and the ticket office a starphuch to sell. Instead, Phil told the world the franchise is more important than Melo.
If we did that with Ewing history could have been much different.

Starphuchers want instant gratification which before the hard salary cap could be obtained. IN the world of parity, we don't have the advantage. When we did, we did not execute it very well.

Nobody likes a tear down and rebuild. It was often debated that many fans would not go for it. Problem is to achieve contention it had to be. Phil might have seen a path to it in his tenure but now admits it might take longer.
That's not arrogance, its keeping it real. If fans can't handle the truth and think Phil was going to bring magic then you took the full brunt of the starphuch literally.

What Phil brings is cred. He has to sell the rebuild. He is trying to sell you to be patient and let KP grow up and develop. Yes, melo is an asset as a player or trade. Free agents don't sign for less money if they jump unless there is a compelling reason. NYC, as great as it has had a bad Knick franchise and until respectable won't attract free agents. Until it has a roster of serviceable players it won't have trade fodder. JR and Shump were not highly valued last year. Bargs had no value. Shump was a decent pick who lived up to his scouting reports. JR was a defective FA when he came and Bargs was a disaster starphuch CAA attempt to help Melo. Bad deals of the past.

Phil had little to work with and provided no miracle starphuchs, but you know not a game has been played so OP slamming the team is premature.

There are zero ramifications for future going after a player like Aldridge, zero!!..Doesn't deter the rebuild..Its a cop out argument..We are maxed out with roles players, what's the difference??..Trying to win games now doesn't take away from trying to win later..Not trying to win now, doesn't mean you will build a better team later..I don't get the argument..If we don't play well now, means we have a better chance to win 10 years from now???..I don't get it..

Phil is a starphuck, Derrick Fisher is a starphuck...Are the Spurs idiots for going after Aldridge?