Parading himself to other teams during free agency. Teams that understand the concept of value. Teams that know exactly when a player is priced right or when to steer clear. All that that to feed melo's ego and further his personal brand as he wound up strong arming the Knicks, most likely Dolan, into paying him the max with a no trade Claus. Once again hurting our chances to add significant championship pieces buts that's probably by design as acquiring "black book" players who would turn this team into instant contenders would diminish his brand.

Fact of the matter is Melo has already proven to value his brand and money over winning. Winning requires that he buys into a team concept. All his actions have gone against the concept of buying in on and off the court. It is what it is. Unfortunately the Knicks chose to find out what Melo is about the hard way. Other than Melo the only other person who is enjoying his time here is Dolan. At the expense of disillusioned fans and fans who are dying to see a consistent winner again.

gunsnewing wrote:The day Melo realizes his true worth and is humbled is the day he will buy into a team philosophy.

Parading himself to other teams during free agency. Teams that understand the concept of value. Teams that know exactly when a player is priced right or when to steer clear. All that that to feed melo's ego and further his personal brand as he wound up strong arming the Knicks, most likely Dolan, into paying him the max with a no trade Claus. Once again hurting our chances to add significant championship pieces buts that's probably by design as acquiring "black book" players who would turn this team into instant contenders would diminish Melo's brand.

Fact of the matter is Melo has already proven to value his brand and money over winning. Winning requires that he buys into a team concept concept. All his actions have gone against the concept of buying in on and off the court. It is what it is. Unfortunately the Knicks chose to find out what Melo is about the hard way. Other than Melo the only other person who is enjoying his time here is Dolan. At the expense of disillusioned fans and fans who are dying to see a consistent winner again.

Beautiful...nothing more to say.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

You did a poll on whether Phil and Melo are at odds. You don't care about this?

Phil and Melo have not talked in a while.
Phil perhaps did not sign players that Melo is happy with.
Melo did not show up to summer league.
Phil made some comments that perhaps can be taken as jabs.
KMart speaking out on Melo's behalf that Melo is not meant to go through a rebuild.
Phil signs 2 good guys in Lou and LT to perhaps even out the locker room vibe so that the young players can be in a non toxic environment.
I personally am certain that there is a chess match going on though some are certainly going to say that its all smoke and mirrors.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52095

yeah not really. There was so much crap going back and forth between posters so I made a poll (big freakin deal). Not much else to do in the dog days.

if you are so interested in my previous posts you will see that I care mostly about his selfish play and don't care much about the other stuff. I also don't really dislike him off the court.

JUST PASS THE MOTHER FREAKIN BALL YOU SELFISH PIG!

You also started the Araton Melo mind reading thread. Seems like you were out in front on this.

big deal. An article by Araton is important for the viewership.

again, I will be a melo lover if he passes the damn ball.

you don't need to police this ... I hope that you want more out of him as well.

What was really sad about the Araton article was that a guy who trashes Melo annually wrote a totally fictitious article but its message resonated with some fans to the point where it was interpreted as accurate and used to villainize the guy.
The way the fan base reacts to the media in NY is scary. Maybe instead of a Leadership 101 thread someone should start a Media 101 thread for the NYC Sports Fan.
Still waiting for links to Jeter going to winter ball to lead the farm hands. Come on Jetes it is just one day.

You don't need a fictional article to villianize Melo. Melo usually takes care of that himself with his actions on and off the court.

The only way to change the perspective is to do whatever it takes to win. Unlike his peers Melo is a career loser on the court. He is not the first and won't be the last.

I Would love to fast foward to 4yrs from now and see how his apologists still feel about him. I doubt Melo will be here in 4yrs but if he is inwill take the bet on him never getting his ring. Not in New York. Which doesn't bode well for us diehards. But as long as Melo has his money he will sleep well and maybe even win a ring one day when Father Time catches up and dimishes his brand and he signs a reasonable deal to ride the coattails of some championship caliber players

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

You did a poll on whether Phil and Melo are at odds. You don't care about this?

Phil and Melo have not talked in a while.
Phil perhaps did not sign players that Melo is happy with.
Melo did not show up to summer league.
Phil made some comments that perhaps can be taken as jabs.
KMart speaking out on Melo's behalf that Melo is not meant to go through a rebuild.
Phil signs 2 good guys in Lou and LT to perhaps even out the locker room vibe so that the young players can be in a non toxic environment.
I personally am certain that there is a chess match going on though some are certainly going to say that its all smoke and mirrors.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52095

yeah not really. There was so much crap going back and forth between posters so I made a poll (big freakin deal). Not much else to do in the dog days.

if you are so interested in my previous posts you will see that I care mostly about his selfish play and don't care much about the other stuff. I also don't really dislike him off the court.

JUST PASS THE MOTHER FREAKIN BALL YOU SELFISH PIG!

You also started the Araton Melo mind reading thread. Seems like you were out in front on this.

big deal. An article by Araton is important for the viewership.

again, I will be a melo lover if he passes the damn ball.

you don't need to police this ... I hope that you want more out of him as well.

What was really sad about the Araton article was that a guy who trashes Melo annually wrote a totally fictitious article but its message resonated with some fans to the point where it was interpreted as accurate and used to villainize the guy.
The way the fan base reacts to the media in NY is scary. Maybe instead of a Leadership 101 thread someone should start a Media 101 thread for the NYC Sports Fan.
Still waiting for links to Jeter going to winter ball to lead the farm hands. Come on Jetes it is just one day.

You don't need a fictional article to villianize Melo. Melo usually takes care of that himself with his actions on and off the court.

The only way to change the perspective is to do whatever it takes to win. Unlike his peers Melo is a career loser on the court. He is not the first and won't be the last.

I Would love to fast foward to 4yrs from now and see how his apologists still feel about him. I doubt Melo will be here in 4yrs but if he is inwill take the bet on him never getting his ring. Not in New York. Which doesn't bode well for us diehards. But as long as Melo has his money he will sleep well and maybe even win a ring one day when Father Time catches up and dimishes his brand and he signs a reasonable deal to ride the coattails of some championship caliber players

Funny. I was thinking all of the guys that trashed Melo based on what people speculated he was thinking, a writer's alleged mind reading, interpretations of Phil's words/hidden messages, and unnamed sources by discredited media might pause and rethink things. Guess I was wrong. Araton should write another fictitious piece. There seems to be a big market for it.

I really don't care about Araton's fictional piece of anyone one writers opinions. You need to crocus more on why people have negative opinions about Melo if nothing is ever his fault. He's been in the league 13yrs now. 13yrs is usually enough to formulate these opinions. Melo is 32 not 22

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

You did a poll on whether Phil and Melo are at odds. You don't care about this?

Phil and Melo have not talked in a while.
Phil perhaps did not sign players that Melo is happy with.
Melo did not show up to summer league.
Phil made some comments that perhaps can be taken as jabs.
KMart speaking out on Melo's behalf that Melo is not meant to go through a rebuild.
Phil signs 2 good guys in Lou and LT to perhaps even out the locker room vibe so that the young players can be in a non toxic environment.
I personally am certain that there is a chess match going on though some are certainly going to say that its all smoke and mirrors.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52095

yeah not really. There was so much crap going back and forth between posters so I made a poll (big freakin deal). Not much else to do in the dog days.

if you are so interested in my previous posts you will see that I care mostly about his selfish play and don't care much about the other stuff. I also don't really dislike him off the court.

JUST PASS THE MOTHER FREAKIN BALL YOU SELFISH PIG!

You also started the Araton Melo mind reading thread. Seems like you were out in front on this.

big deal. An article by Araton is important for the viewership.

again, I will be a melo lover if he passes the damn ball.

you don't need to police this ... I hope that you want more out of him as well.

What was really sad about the Araton article was that a guy who trashes Melo annually wrote a totally fictitious article but its message resonated with some fans to the point where it was interpreted as accurate and used to villainize the guy.
The way the fan base reacts to the media in NY is scary. Maybe instead of a Leadership 101 thread someone should start a Media 101 thread for the NYC Sports Fan.
Still waiting for links to Jeter going to winter ball to lead the farm hands. Come on Jetes it is just one day.

If melo became a less selfish player we would all really start liking him and he would not need to be defended by the crew.

If melo remains the melo that he has been and refuse to accept change then he will continue to take a beating (some fair and of course some way overboard)

The media is the media ... this is what they do. They look for someone who is vulnerable and they tear into him. Melo should make himself less vulnerable and we all know where that can and should start.

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

That's basically it.

Can he average 5 assists a game this season? Can a zebra change his stripes?

Can he shoot 50% from the field? Can he play better defense instead of arguing with a ref on a no call?

"Most" people know the answer to these questions.

why is it important to he avg's 5 ast, there are starting pg's in the league that don't avg that.

The question you should ask yourself is, Do you want your best offensive player to pass up shots to players that cant shoot as well

I guess you like to settle in life as well.

Our guy is slightly above average at best, but still making $24 mill a year...but you'll take mediocre play as long as he's happy!

If melo was a little above avg, he wouldn't be the topic of discussion on every sports network, everything he says is front and back page

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

That's basically it.

Can he average 5 assists a game this season? Can a zebra change his stripes?

Can he shoot 50% from the field? Can he play better defense instead of arguing with a ref on a no call?

"Most" people know the answer to these questions.

why is it important to he avg's 5 ast, there are starting pg's in the league that don't avg that.

The question you should ask yourself is, Do you want your best offensive player to pass up shots to players that cant shoot as well

I guess you like to settle in life as well.

Our guy is slightly above average at best, but still making $24 mill a year...but you'll take mediocre play as long as he's happy!

If melo was a little above avg, he wouldn't be the topic of discussion on every sports network, everything he says is front and back page

He's good, man. I acknowledge that. He's probably top 15-20 good.

Maybe 3rd or 4th best small forward in the league good.

I'm just sad he can't be great and has a ton of weaknesses and shortcomings that force your team to cover up for, and I vow to avoid any "critical" threads until we see if we have a changed version this upcoming season.

I withhold any barbs or jabs until the regular season starts.

every single player in the league has flaws, it's like say Hakeem sucked because he couldn't shoot 3's or shaq sucks because he couldn't shoot FT's. there's maybe 3 or 4 sf's in the league avg 5 ast, yet melo's a chucker because he doesnt

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

That's basically it.

Can he average 5 assists a game this season? Can a zebra change his stripes?

Can he shoot 50% from the field? Can he play better defense instead of arguing with a ref on a no call?

"Most" people know the answer to these questions.

why is it important to he avg's 5 ast, there are starting pg's in the league that don't avg that.

The question you should ask yourself is, Do you want your best offensive player to pass up shots to players that cant shoot as well

I guess you like to settle in life as well.

Our guy is slightly above average at best, but still making $24 mill a year...but you'll take mediocre play as long as he's happy!

If melo was a little above avg, he wouldn't be the topic of discussion on every sports network, everything he says is front and back page

He's good, man. I acknowledge that. He's probably top 15-20 good.

Maybe 3rd or 4th best small forward in the league good.

I'm just sad he can't be great and has a ton of weaknesses and shortcomings that force your team to cover up for, and I vow to avoid any "critical" threads until we see if we have a changed version this upcoming season.

I withhold any barbs or jabs until the regular season starts.

every single player in the league has flaws, it's like say Hakeem sucked because he couldn't shoot 3's or shaq sucks because he couldn't shoot FT's. there's maybe 3 or 4 sf's in the league avg 5 ast, yet melo's a chucker because he doesnt

Just saying, hopefully he adds that ability in his repertoire before his Knicks career is done.

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just saw this in the Post. Hopefully it resolves the speculation on what people think Melo thought about the offseason.

“You know why I’m bothered by that?’’ he said. “Because I haven’t said none of it. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation. I try to [keep the] summer to myself and get away from the media. Then somehow it comes back to me. I don’t get upset at that, but does it get overwhelming sometimes, yeah. But it’s the life I live. I haven’t said none of that [stuff]. Whatever rumors you guys heard about me and Phil, about Porzingis, it’s all false.
“Nobody talked to me. Nobody heard me say anything as far as me being unhappy. Life is too good to be unhappy.’’

http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/carmelo-anthony-finally-breaks-silence-on-knicks-offseason/

this is why Im glad I didnt bother to participate in the 80 thread multiple discussions on this topic. Looks like chuckbuck has taken over leadership of the Anti-Melo Jihad movement. It was ALLLLLL bull-sheet. Aw... so sad, Melo haters were all wrong all along. Time to go back to basketball reference, find some stat that says Melo is a bad player and start a new thread. Yawn... looking forward to upcoming season, and some actual basketball.

most people don't really care about all this bs, they just want him to pass the damn ball.

That's basically it.

Can he average 5 assists a game this season? Can a zebra change his stripes?

Can he shoot 50% from the field? Can he play better defense instead of arguing with a ref on a no call?

"Most" people know the answer to these questions.

why is it important to he avg's 5 ast, there are starting pg's in the league that don't avg that.

The question you should ask yourself is, Do you want your best offensive player to pass up shots to players that cant shoot as well

I guess you like to settle in life as well.

Our guy is slightly above average at best, but still making $24 mill a year...but you'll take mediocre play as long as he's happy!

If melo was a little above avg, he wouldn't be the topic of discussion on every sports network, everything he says is front and back page

He's good, man. I acknowledge that. He's probably top 15-20 good.

Maybe 3rd or 4th best small forward in the league good.

I'm just sad he can't be great and has a ton of weaknesses and shortcomings that force your team to cover up for, and I vow to avoid any "critical" threads until we see if we have a changed version this upcoming season.

I withhold any barbs or jabs until the regular season starts.

every single player in the league has flaws, it's like say Hakeem sucked because he couldn't shoot 3's or shaq sucks because he couldn't shoot FT's. there's maybe 3 or 4 sf's in the league avg 5 ast, yet melo's a chucker because he doesnt

Lebron and Wade for all there strengths lost in the finals to Dallas because they couldn't shoot and Dallas went zone. They then add Mike Miller who drains a ton of 3s in the finals the next yr to help them win there first together.

yellowboy90 wrote:Melo will always be a sixth man type to me.

He does excel in that role on the Olympic team.

Not a knock, just playing the designated scorer off the bench for Team USA has benefitted his efficiency somehow.