mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Anybody that says Me7o's NBA career is in anyway more accomplished than Paul Pierce is just being a biased homer.

The Truth career actually had 2 stanzas, began his career similar to Me7o as a numbers gunner. Out for self, and buckets, in the 'Toine Walker days.

Once Doc, KG, Jesus, and Rondo came aboard, he sacrificed his offensive game, switched to small forward from 2 guard, became a better facilitator, played much better defense and just became a great teammate overall. He saved his bucket making for clutch time in the 4th quarters of close games. True Knicks fans know this.

There is really no comparison between the 2...maybe young Pierce, but not Paul Pierce from 2008 on.

2008...when Pierce was 31 and playing alongside KG and Ray? He was also the second best player on his team those years.

30 years old. He actually changed who he was as a player. Bought in completely to teamball.

Season       Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07       29 BOS NBA  SG   47   46 37.0 7.9 18.1 .439 2.3 5.9 .389 5.7 12.2 .463 .502 6.8  8.6 .796 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 1.0 0.3 3.2 2.6 25.0
2007-08       30 BOS NBA  SF   80   80 35.9 6.4 13.7 .464 1.8 4.6 .392 4.6  9.2 .499 .529 5.1  6.1 .843 0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 1.3 0.5 2.8 2.5 19.6

Just became a more efficient player, took less shots, higher percentage shots, less turnovers, and the numbers reflect this buying into Doc's system.

he had a TS of 60!! that year and a WS48 of .207. Melo will never sniff those numbers.

And, pierce was extremely efficient the 2 years before that as well so lets not start with the bull sh1t teammates excuses to save melo from looking crappy.

Look at the numbers people, and stop putting your homerism before actual hard cold facts.

Pierce > Me7o

He's better than Me7o in career accomplishments, in advanced statistics and metrics for their peak seasons, efficiency, clutch shot making, in teammate camraderie, and most importantly winning when it mattered most.

This is no slight on Me7o, he's had a good career, just not as good as Pierce's. Numbers never lie.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Shows how much phil really does love Melo.

golly does it really though?

ChuckBuck wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Anybody that says Me7o's NBA career is in anyway more accomplished than Paul Pierce is just being a biased homer.

The Truth career actually had 2 stanzas, began his career similar to Me7o as a numbers gunner. Out for self, and buckets, in the 'Toine Walker days.

Once Doc, KG, Jesus, and Rondo came aboard, he sacrificed his offensive game, switched to small forward from 2 guard, became a better facilitator, played much better defense and just became a great teammate overall. He saved his bucket making for clutch time in the 4th quarters of close games. True Knicks fans know this.

There is really no comparison between the 2...maybe young Pierce, but not Paul Pierce from 2008 on.

2008...when Pierce was 31 and playing alongside KG and Ray? He was also the second best player on his team those years.

30 years old. He actually changed who he was as a player. Bought in completely to teamball.

Season       Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07       29 BOS NBA  SG   47   46 37.0 7.9 18.1 .439 2.3 5.9 .389 5.7 12.2 .463 .502 6.8  8.6 .796 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 1.0 0.3 3.2 2.6 25.0
2007-08       30 BOS NBA  SF   80   80 35.9 6.4 13.7 .464 1.8 4.6 .392 4.6  9.2 .499 .529 5.1  6.1 .843 0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 1.3 0.5 2.8 2.5 19.6

Just became a more efficient player, took less shots, higher percentage shots, less turnovers, and the numbers reflect this buying into Doc's system.

My mistake, be didn't turn 31 until that October. I have to imagine playing with 2 HOF can go a long way towards improving your efficiency. Going forward he also had Rondo playing into an all star.

This isn't to build up Melo, I don't actually care about the comparison. This about that half court bowing, fake Willis Reed mother****er that has both Celtic and Net checked off on my hate list (going to flop city doesn't help either). Him and KG easily my most hated players.

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Anybody that says Me7o's NBA career is in anyway more accomplished than Paul Pierce is just being a biased homer.

The Truth career actually had 2 stanzas, began his career similar to Me7o as a numbers gunner. Out for self, and buckets, in the 'Toine Walker days.

Once Doc, KG, Jesus, and Rondo came aboard, he sacrificed his offensive game, switched to small forward from 2 guard, became a better facilitator, played much better defense and just became a great teammate overall. He saved his bucket making for clutch time in the 4th quarters of close games. True Knicks fans know this.

There is really no comparison between the 2...maybe young Pierce, but not Paul Pierce from 2008 on.

2008...when Pierce was 31 and playing alongside KG and Ray? He was also the second best player on his team those years.

30 years old. He actually changed who he was as a player. Bought in completely to teamball.

Season       Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07       29 BOS NBA  SG   47   46 37.0 7.9 18.1 .439 2.3 5.9 .389 5.7 12.2 .463 .502 6.8  8.6 .796 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 1.0 0.3 3.2 2.6 25.0
2007-08       30 BOS NBA  SF   80   80 35.9 6.4 13.7 .464 1.8 4.6 .392 4.6  9.2 .499 .529 5.1  6.1 .843 0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 1.3 0.5 2.8 2.5 19.6

Just became a more efficient player, took less shots, higher percentage shots, less turnovers, and the numbers reflect this buying into Doc's system.

My mistake, be didn't turn 31 until that October. I have to imagine playing with 2 HOF can go a long way towards improving your efficiency. Going forward he also had Rondo playing into an all star.

This isn't to build up Melo, I don't actually care about the comparison. This about that half court bowing, fake Willis Reed mother****er that has both Celtic and Net checked off on my hate list (going to flop city doesn't help either). Him and KG easily my most hated players.

Fair enough. Stats aside, something we agree upon.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gross....comparing Me7o to The Truth who won a NBA Finals MVP and made it to 2 NBA Finals.

Disgusting comparison.

Look at them as individual talents. Remember, his championship and finals mvp aren't possible without Garnett and Allen. 2 stars. Prior to the celtics adding those 2 players, their careers were very comparable, even with Melo possibly having a slight advantage (to age 31). Remember, there were years Pierce missed the playoffs in the east. But Pierce has had a better career, for the reasons you stated.

Agreed, they were comparable, pre big 3(4).

Pierce 2007-2008 season on, a better all around player than Me7o, for reasons stated in the previous posts.

No matter who they brought in, you still have to play the games.

Kobe had Dwight and Nash before that experiment failed. Barkley went to Houston with Pippen even. No matter what players come in, you have to make it work and Pierce made it harmoniously so, after averaging 25-26 pts/game for his Boston career. He could've easily said, this is my team, you guys make sure I average my 25, but he sacrificed.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gross....comparing Me7o to The Truth who won a NBA Finals MVP and made it to 2 NBA Finals.

Disgusting comparison.

Look at them as individual talents. Remember, his championship and finals mvp aren't possible without Garnett and Allen. 2 stars. Prior to the celtics adding those 2 players, their careers were very comparable, even with Melo possibly having a slight advantage (to age 31). Remember, there were years Pierce missed the playoffs in the east. But Pierce has had a better career, for the reasons you stated.

Agreed, they were comparable, pre big 3(4).

Pierce 2007-2008 season on, a better all around player than Me7o, for reasons stated in the previous posts.

No matter who they brought in, you still have to play the games.

Kobe had Dwight and Nash before that experiment failed. Barkley went to Houston with Pippen even. No matter what players come in, you have to make it work and Pierce made it harmoniously so, after averaging 25-26 pts/game for his Boston career. He could've easily said, this is my team, you guys make sure I average my 25, but he sacrificed.

again ...

melo never had years like PP did in 2005 and 2006

I'm in agreement, don't pitch slap the dudes sticking up for you!

Comparable doesn't mean equal, just means easily compared or likened.

Most real bball fans know PP has had a better career than Me7o, it's just for arguments sake that they can be compared on certain bodies of work.

Post Big 3(4), there's no comparison.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gross....comparing Me7o to The Truth who won a NBA Finals MVP and made it to 2 NBA Finals.

Disgusting comparison.

Look at them as individual talents. Remember, his championship and finals mvp aren't possible without Garnett and Allen. 2 stars. Prior to the celtics adding those 2 players, their careers were very comparable, even with Melo possibly having a slight advantage (to age 31). Remember, there were years Pierce missed the playoffs in the east. But Pierce has had a better career, for the reasons you stated.

Agreed, they were comparable, pre big 3(4).

Pierce 2007-2008 season on, a better all around player than Me7o, for reasons stated in the previous posts.

No matter who they brought in, you still have to play the games.

Kobe had Dwight and Nash before that experiment failed. Barkley went to Houston with Pippen even. No matter what players come in, you have to make it work and Pierce made it harmoniously so, after averaging 25-26 pts/game for his Boston career. He could've easily said, this is my team, you guys make sure I average my 25, but he sacrificed.

again ...

melo never had years like PP did in 2005 and 2006

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gross....comparing Me7o to The Truth who won a NBA Finals MVP and made it to 2 NBA Finals.

Disgusting comparison.

Look at them as individual talents. Remember, his championship and finals mvp aren't possible without Garnett and Allen. 2 stars. Prior to the celtics adding those 2 players, their careers were very comparable, even with Melo possibly having a slight advantage (to age 31). Remember, there were years Pierce missed the playoffs in the east. But Pierce has had a better career, for the reasons you stated.

Agreed, they were comparable, pre big 3(4).

Pierce 2007-2008 season on, a better all around player than Me7o, for reasons stated in the previous posts.

No matter who they brought in, you still have to play the games.

Kobe had Dwight and Nash before that experiment failed. Barkley went to Houston with Pippen even. No matter what players come in, you have to make it work and Pierce made it harmoniously so, after averaging 25-26 pts/game for his Boston career. He could've easily said, this is my team, you guys make sure I average my 25, but he sacrificed.

again ...

melo never had years like PP did in 2005 and 2006

Celtics won 33 games in 06.

and?

So its possible I guess to have efficient stats with shytty teammates.

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Anybody that says Me7o's NBA career is in anyway more accomplished than Paul Pierce is just being a biased homer.

The Truth career actually had 2 stanzas, began his career similar to Me7o as a numbers gunner. Out for self, and buckets, in the 'Toine Walker days.

Once Doc, KG, Jesus, and Rondo came aboard, he sacrificed his offensive game, switched to small forward from 2 guard, became a better facilitator, played much better defense and just became a great teammate overall. He saved his bucket making for clutch time in the 4th quarters of close games. True Knicks fans know this.

There is really no comparison between the 2...maybe young Pierce, but not Paul Pierce from 2008 on.

2008...when Pierce was 31 and playing alongside KG and Ray? He was also the second best player on his team those years.

30 years old. He actually changed who he was as a player. Bought in completely to teamball.

Season       Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07       29 BOS NBA  SG   47   46 37.0 7.9 18.1 .439 2.3 5.9 .389 5.7 12.2 .463 .502 6.8  8.6 .796 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 1.0 0.3 3.2 2.6 25.0
2007-08       30 BOS NBA  SF   80   80 35.9 6.4 13.7 .464 1.8 4.6 .392 4.6  9.2 .499 .529 5.1  6.1 .843 0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 1.3 0.5 2.8 2.5 19.6

Just became a more efficient player, took less shots, higher percentage shots, less turnovers, and the numbers reflect this buying into Doc's system.

My mistake, be didn't turn 31 until that October. I have to imagine playing with 2 HOF can go a long way towards improving your efficiency. Going forward he also had Rondo playing into an all star.

This isn't to build up Melo, I don't actually care about the comparison. This about that half court bowing, fake Willis Reed mother****er that has both Celtic and Net checked off on my hate list (going to flop city doesn't help either). Him and KG easily my most hated players.

you hate them for the right reason, ie you fear them. you fear them and what they have done to the knicks. meantime i love them both because they play the game the right way, regardless of how they have destroyed the knicks.

ChuckBuck wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Anybody that says Me7o's NBA career is in anyway more accomplished than Paul Pierce is just being a biased homer.

The Truth career actually had 2 stanzas, began his career similar to Me7o as a numbers gunner. Out for self, and buckets, in the 'Toine Walker days.

Once Doc, KG, Jesus, and Rondo came aboard, he sacrificed his offensive game, switched to small forward from 2 guard, became a better facilitator, played much better defense and just became a great teammate overall. He saved his bucket making for clutch time in the 4th quarters of close games. True Knicks fans know this.

There is really no comparison between the 2...maybe young Pierce, but not Paul Pierce from 2008 on.

2008...when Pierce was 31 and playing alongside KG and Ray? He was also the second best player on his team those years.

30 years old. He actually changed who he was as a player. Bought in completely to teamball.

Season       Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07       29 BOS NBA  SG   47   46 37.0 7.9 18.1 .439 2.3 5.9 .389 5.7 12.2 .463 .502 6.8  8.6 .796 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 1.0 0.3 3.2 2.6 25.0
2007-08       30 BOS NBA  SF   80   80 35.9 6.4 13.7 .464 1.8 4.6 .392 4.6  9.2 .499 .529 5.1  6.1 .843 0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 1.3 0.5 2.8 2.5 19.6

Just became a more efficient player, took less shots, higher percentage shots, less turnovers, and the numbers reflect this buying into Doc's system.

Yeah he changed because he was playing amongst three all stars...

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Anybody that says Me7o's NBA career is in anyway more accomplished than Paul Pierce is just being a biased homer.

The Truth career actually had 2 stanzas, began his career similar to Me7o as a numbers gunner. Out for self, and buckets, in the 'Toine Walker days.

Once Doc, KG, Jesus, and Rondo came aboard, he sacrificed his offensive game, switched to small forward from 2 guard, became a better facilitator, played much better defense and just became a great teammate overall. He saved his bucket making for clutch time in the 4th quarters of close games. True Knicks fans know this.

There is really no comparison between the 2...maybe young Pierce, but not Paul Pierce from 2008 on.

2008...when Pierce was 31 and playing alongside KG and Ray? He was also the second best player on his team those years.

30 years old. He actually changed who he was as a player. Bought in completely to teamball.

Season       Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07       29 BOS NBA  SG   47   46 37.0 7.9 18.1 .439 2.3 5.9 .389 5.7 12.2 .463 .502 6.8  8.6 .796 0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 1.0 0.3 3.2 2.6 25.0
2007-08       30 BOS NBA  SF   80   80 35.9 6.4 13.7 .464 1.8 4.6 .392 4.6  9.2 .499 .529 5.1  6.1 .843 0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 1.3 0.5 2.8 2.5 19.6

Just became a more efficient player, took less shots, higher percentage shots, less turnovers, and the numbers reflect this buying into Doc's system.

Yeah he changed because he was playing amongst three all stars...

uh ... he didnt change. He sacrificed points not smarts. Even you can't spin how melo the player that PP was.

And, TS of course gives more weight to 3 point shots. Can you figure out why?