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8/5/2015  4:22 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

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8/5/2015  5:13 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/5/2015  5:14 PM
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nixluva wrote:He's looking good. Glad to see him on the court and with his moves looking sharp. More of a below the rim game I think. I like the Dirk like fadeaway.

By the way I LOVE his court.

My immediate reaction is that he looks too thick -- not necessarily fat but thick. I think most important thing for guys moving into their 30s in NBA is to stay as lean as possible --- just better for joints/injuries and if he is going to be chasing 3s on the perimeter D -- he'll need the energy to actually do that right.

At first, I thought that was Lebron James.....He seems a little heavy, and I agree on the weight reduction, especially if he's playing more SF this year. I'm a witness on the weight reduction aligned with less knee and joint pains....especially as you approach mid 30's.

Looks pretty slim here after the workout...

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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8/5/2015  5:38 PM
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

Spot on.

The last few years he lost the quickness and first step that he had the first few seasons he had in Denver. He's gained weight over the years and doesn't have that explosiveness anymore he once had:

Now he's just a classic tweener. Sometimes he can take advantage on certain players on some mismatches, but simply doesn't rebound well enough or defend either position that good that it becomes a liability on a game to game basis.

It'd be one thing if he likes to run to floor, but since he has conditioning issues due to his weight, he prefers the walk it up style, then fling it into the midpost for 8 seconds of ISO Jab step.
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8/5/2015  6:09 PM
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

Yet he is hitting his midrange to 3pt shots at an even or higher level then his peers bad shots and all. The root of the problem is that he has to rely on his jumper more so then the guys mentioned above. He also doesn't get the calls he should when he does drive.

When he was younger and was more of a slasher who didn't shoot 3s very well or post much, his FG% was higher. Yet he wasn't as complete an scorer he is now. He has to use the triangles motion to get easy looks. And having better players working the triangle should help that. Then you add versatility with efficiency. Instead of blowing by guys with the ball ala Lebron, back door cuts might be more suited for Melo.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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8/5/2015  6:12 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

Yet he is hitting his midrange to 3pt shots at an even or higher level then his peers bad shots and all. The root of the problem is that he has to rely on his jumper more so then the guys mentioned above. He also doesn't get the calls he should when he does drive.

When he was younger and was more of a slasher who didn't shoot 3s very well or post much, his FG% was higher. Yet he wasn't as complete an scorer he is now. He has to use the triangles motion to get easy looks. And having better players working the triangle should help that. Then you add versatility with efficiency. Instead of blowing by guys with the ball ala Lebron, back door cuts might be more suited for Melo.

i'll believe it when i see it!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/5/2015  6:22 PM
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

Yet he is hitting his midrange to 3pt shots at an even or higher level then his peers bad shots and all. The root of the problem is that he has to rely on his jumper more so then the guys mentioned above. He also doesn't get the calls he should when he does drive.

When he was younger and was more of a slasher who didn't shoot 3s very well or post much, his FG% was higher. Yet he wasn't as complete an scorer he is now. He has to use the triangles motion to get easy looks. And having better players working the triangle should help that. Then you add versatility with efficiency. Instead of blowing by guys with the ball ala Lebron, back door cuts might be more suited for Melo.

i'll believe it when i see it!

After reading the Phil files, I think they will put a lot more empahis on that this yr.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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8/5/2015  7:16 PM
Melo actually looks a bit more muscular in the upper body, in the videos and pics i've seen so far. I'm just glad he's looking like he's feeling better. If Melo can be healthy and strong this year it will really help KP and Jerian to have an easier transition.
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8/5/2015  7:19 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

Yet he is hitting his midrange to 3pt shots at an even or higher level then his peers bad shots and all. The root of the problem is that he has to rely on his jumper more so then the guys mentioned above. He also doesn't get the calls he should when he does drive.

When he was younger and was more of a slasher who didn't shoot 3s very well or post much, his FG% was higher. Yet he wasn't as complete an scorer he is now. He has to use the triangles motion to get easy looks. And having better players working the triangle should help that. Then you add versatility with efficiency. Instead of blowing by guys with the ball ala Lebron, back door cuts might be more suited for Melo.

i'll believe it when i see it!

After reading the Phil files, I think they will put a lot more empahis on that this yr.

Don't be silly..Melo is not doing any back door cuts..
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8/5/2015  7:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/5/2015  7:58 PM
RonRon wrote:@ blkexec
Feel free to help be BOLD which part are more important and summarize my "article"
I am genuine and hope The Knicks would improve as a whole, as well as individually

@ holfresh
I do not think, "I know it all"
However, I do believe that is something that you learn of others and different point of view
I DO NOT THINK I KNOW MORE THAN CA, However, as a fan of NYK's and watching him play in Denver and New York, along with in the Olympics, there are some suggestions that I think can improve his game

Many bash Dantoni, however, he has changed the todays NBA game and its continued evolution
I think there is much to learn off Coach Phil Jackson, even more learn off Greg Poppavich, and much to Learn from Coach Steve Kerr which was a desciple of both HOF coaches and was the GM for The Suns and Dantoni
Kerr took much of his prior experience, relationships throughout his journey as a NBA player, management at Sun's in which Gentry was an assistant for Dantoni and took over while tweaking some of his philosophies, along with TNT as a broadcaster/analyst (after all of his previous experiences), as he was able to scout both players and coaches on what works and what does not work, and WHY not
Dantoni's different approach reminded coaches that floor spacing, pushing pace and tempo, forcing mismatches, and how to take advantage of it, and it is obvious with the way the NBA has changed much today
As the game continues to evolve, NBA BIGS must be able to spread the floor and also go out to contest shooters and defend guards, while still rebounding and defending the paint as well
However, despite all of previous experience, he had 0 experience as an actual HEAD COACH, and he went to seek advice from Pete Carroll and other GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS/COACHES on how to motivate an entire TEAM in to ONE
With the NFL having over 50 players, LEADERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY was divided in to many different roles, and he took that philosophy and incorporated it in to the NBA and his coaching scheme

You gotta understand when you are out of your depths..Your answer is you are a Knick fan and you watch a lot of TV??..You think you have advice for a world class athlete on how to train for his sport..Think about that for a second..
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8/5/2015  7:25 PM
Melo is a primary scorer in this offense and will most likely be used Flashing to the Elbow on catch and Shoot or in the Pinch Post 2 man game or as the Pivot in the Strong Side Triangle. Either way you want him being the guy the defense is most worried about so that it opens up the back doors for less skilled players.
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8/5/2015  7:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/5/2015  7:36 PM
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:@ blkexec
Feel free to help be BOLD which part are more important and summarize my "article"
I am genuine and hope The Knicks would improve as a whole, as well as individually

@ holfresh
I do not think, "I know it all"
However, I do believe that is something that you learn of others and different point of view
I DO NOT THINK I KNOW MORE THAN CA, However, as a fan of NYK's and watching him play in Denver and New York, along with in the Olympics, there are some suggestions that I think can improve his game

Many bash Dantoni, however, he has changed the todays NBA game and its continued evolution
I think there is much to learn off Coach Phil Jackson, even more learn off Greg Poppavich, and much to Learn from Coach Steve Kerr which was a desciple of both HOF coaches and was the GM for The Suns and Dantoni
Kerr took much of his prior experience, relationships throughout his journey as a NBA player, management at Sun's in which Gentry was an assistant for Dantoni and took over while tweaking some of his philosophies, along with TNT as a broadcaster/analyst (after all of his previous experiences), as he was able to scout both players and coaches on what works and what does not work, and WHY not
Dantoni's different approach reminded coaches that floor spacing, pushing pace and tempo, forcing mismatches, and how to take advantage of it, and it is obvious with the way the NBA has changed much today
As the game continues to evolve, NBA BIGS must be able to spread the floor and also go out to contest shooters and defend guards, while still rebounding and defending the paint as well
However, despite all of previous experience, he had 0 experience as an actual HEAD COACH, and he went to seek advice from Pete Carroll and other GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS/COACHES on how to motivate an entire TEAM in to ONE
With the NFL having over 50 players, LEADERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY was divided in to many different roles, and he took that philosophy and incorporated it in to the NBA and his coaching scheme

You gotta understand when you are out of your depths..Your answer is you are a Knick fan and you watch a lot of TV??..You think you have advise for a world class athlete on how to train for his sport..Think about that for a second..


I am not trying to undermine in any way, in fact I want him to succeed
That is an area in his game that I think he can simply make others better at with his team mates, with an easy adjustment
Setting a good screen results in his team mate getting open or him getting open

It could result back in him getting a higher % shots, then just simply looking to get OPEN every time and score on a PnR
That is NOT how a PnR works, you have to utilize all options to be effective

Like the system itself, the DEFENSE can NOT take away all options, if CA looks to only get open every time, he will fail to execute the play and system
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8/5/2015  8:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/5/2015  8:59 PM
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:@ blkexec
Feel free to help be BOLD which part are more important and summarize my "article"
I am genuine and hope The Knicks would improve as a whole, as well as individually

@ holfresh
I do not think, "I know it all"
However, I do believe that is something that you learn of others and different point of view
I DO NOT THINK I KNOW MORE THAN CA, However, as a fan of NYK's and watching him play in Denver and New York, along with in the Olympics, there are some suggestions that I think can improve his game

Many bash Dantoni, however, he has changed the todays NBA game and its continued evolution
I think there is much to learn off Coach Phil Jackson, even more learn off Greg Poppavich, and much to Learn from Coach Steve Kerr which was a desciple of both HOF coaches and was the GM for The Suns and Dantoni
Kerr took much of his prior experience, relationships throughout his journey as a NBA player, management at Sun's in which Gentry was an assistant for Dantoni and took over while tweaking some of his philosophies, along with TNT as a broadcaster/analyst (after all of his previous experiences), as he was able to scout both players and coaches on what works and what does not work, and WHY not
Dantoni's different approach reminded coaches that floor spacing, pushing pace and tempo, forcing mismatches, and how to take advantage of it, and it is obvious with the way the NBA has changed much today
As the game continues to evolve, NBA BIGS must be able to spread the floor and also go out to contest shooters and defend guards, while still rebounding and defending the paint as well
However, despite all of previous experience, he had 0 experience as an actual HEAD COACH, and he went to seek advice from Pete Carroll and other GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS/COACHES on how to motivate an entire TEAM in to ONE
With the NFL having over 50 players, LEADERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY was divided in to many different roles, and he took that philosophy and incorporated it in to the NBA and his coaching scheme

You gotta understand when you are out of your depths..Your answer is you are a Knick fan and you watch a lot of TV??..You think you have advice for a world class athlete on how to train for his sport..Think about that for a second..

by this post you are basically saying that you do have advice, hence you do understand. well do you?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/5/2015  9:08 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:@ blkexec
Feel free to help be BOLD which part are more important and summarize my "article"
I am genuine and hope The Knicks would improve as a whole, as well as individually

@ holfresh
I do not think, "I know it all"
However, I do believe that is something that you learn of others and different point of view
I DO NOT THINK I KNOW MORE THAN CA, However, as a fan of NYK's and watching him play in Denver and New York, along with in the Olympics, there are some suggestions that I think can improve his game

Many bash Dantoni, however, he has changed the todays NBA game and its continued evolution
I think there is much to learn off Coach Phil Jackson, even more learn off Greg Poppavich, and much to Learn from Coach Steve Kerr which was a desciple of both HOF coaches and was the GM for The Suns and Dantoni
Kerr took much of his prior experience, relationships throughout his journey as a NBA player, management at Sun's in which Gentry was an assistant for Dantoni and took over while tweaking some of his philosophies, along with TNT as a broadcaster/analyst (after all of his previous experiences), as he was able to scout both players and coaches on what works and what does not work, and WHY not
Dantoni's different approach reminded coaches that floor spacing, pushing pace and tempo, forcing mismatches, and how to take advantage of it, and it is obvious with the way the NBA has changed much today
As the game continues to evolve, NBA BIGS must be able to spread the floor and also go out to contest shooters and defend guards, while still rebounding and defending the paint as well
However, despite all of previous experience, he had 0 experience as an actual HEAD COACH, and he went to seek advice from Pete Carroll and other GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS/COACHES on how to motivate an entire TEAM in to ONE
With the NFL having over 50 players, LEADERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY was divided in to many different roles, and he took that philosophy and incorporated it in to the NBA and his coaching scheme

You gotta understand when you are out of your depths..Your answer is you are a Knick fan and you watch a lot of TV??..You think you have advice for a world class athlete on how to train for his sport..Think about that for a second..

by this post you are basically saying that you do have advice, hence you do understand. well do you?


Yes I do understand..What I understand is that I don't have the knowledge to come close to understand what it takes to get to Melo's level as an athlete...I know better than to suggest what a person should be doing who has mastered their profession..
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8/5/2015  9:10 PM
nixluva wrote:Melo is a primary scorer in this offense and will most likely be used Flashing to the Elbow on catch and Shoot or in the Pinch Post 2 man game or as the Pivot in the Strong Side Triangle. Either way you want him being the guy the defense is most worried about so that it opens up the back doors for less skilled players.

I would like us to have a player(s) that opponents have to worry about other then Melo so that Melo can get easier looks the same. That's when the offense will be most potent. According to what Melo has said to Phil about not wanting to carry the scoring load every night, Melo wants that as well.

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8/5/2015  9:38 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Me too Me too!

I've been dubbed erroneously "Melo Hater" also for some reason.
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holfresh wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Always considered Wade more of a scorer than a pure shooter.


I think Anthony is as good or better than Durant as a midrange shooter BUT

the big issue is always shot selection. Seem to recall reading something about Anthony's shot selection before he came to the Knicks- I think it had to do with the wide difference between contested vs uncontested shots, and the fact that he took a lot of contested ones.

Anthony has a pretty pure and compact midrange shooting motion- as good as anyone, IMO- just a matter of decision making and being in an offensive scheme that gets him good looks with good space for his shot.

The drill in the video show him doing less dribbling and more movement without the ball- that's the way to go for him, and it will shut up folks like me- who are erroneously called "haters" by some.

Carmelo is as good or a better midrange shooter then Durant. Carmelo's main problem and y his Fg% dips compared to these other players such as Durant Lebron Wade Dirk is that he isn't the finisher these players are. When it comes down to FG% from mid range to 3 pt shooting. Carmelo is comparable or better then the players named. When it comes to Efficiency inside the box is where Carmelo's efficiency drops while these other players rise making them 48 & 49% Fg shooters instead of 43-45. Lebron James scores at a 70 sometimes 80% clip in the paint. Melo is only around 50-55%. Melo isn't the freak athlete and doesn't have the length.

melo is a classic tweener who has a hard time discerning between a good shot and a poor shot, who is too in love with himself to change. this is the source of his career-long inefficiency and playoff futility. too small to be a 4 and too slow to be a 3. that he came into the league without a three-point shot at his height of 6'7.5" basically means he exploited his high school and college-based size advantage without looking to the nba player pool to inform his game. he's not alone in this but it does evoke a sense of the "conveyor belt" that is aau and ncaa phenomenon. shame on his slimy, bloodsucking college coach boeheim for not working with him and counseling him.

for all the alleged "scoring versatility" and "matchup nightmare" stuff he is just as much a liability on the defensive end of the floor, further evidence of his tweener status.

Yet he is hitting his midrange to 3pt shots at an even or higher level then his peers bad shots and all. The root of the problem is that he has to rely on his jumper more so then the guys mentioned above. He also doesn't get the calls he should when he does drive.

When he was younger and was more of a slasher who didn't shoot 3s very well or post much, his FG% was higher. Yet he wasn't as complete an scorer he is now. He has to use the triangles motion to get easy looks. And having better players working the triangle should help that. Then you add versatility with efficiency. Instead of blowing by guys with the ball ala Lebron, back door cuts might be more suited for Melo.

i'll believe it when i see it!

After reading the Phil files, I think they will put a lot more empahis on that this yr.

Don't be silly..Melo is not doing any back door cuts..

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8/5/2015  9:38 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:@ blkexec
Feel free to help be BOLD which part are more important and summarize my "article"
I am genuine and hope The Knicks would improve as a whole, as well as individually

@ holfresh
I do not think, "I know it all"
However, I do believe that is something that you learn of others and different point of view
I DO NOT THINK I KNOW MORE THAN CA, However, as a fan of NYK's and watching him play in Denver and New York, along with in the Olympics, there are some suggestions that I think can improve his game

Many bash Dantoni, however, he has changed the todays NBA game and its continued evolution
I think there is much to learn off Coach Phil Jackson, even more learn off Greg Poppavich, and much to Learn from Coach Steve Kerr which was a desciple of both HOF coaches and was the GM for The Suns and Dantoni
Kerr took much of his prior experience, relationships throughout his journey as a NBA player, management at Sun's in which Gentry was an assistant for Dantoni and took over while tweaking some of his philosophies, along with TNT as a broadcaster/analyst (after all of his previous experiences), as he was able to scout both players and coaches on what works and what does not work, and WHY not
Dantoni's different approach reminded coaches that floor spacing, pushing pace and tempo, forcing mismatches, and how to take advantage of it, and it is obvious with the way the NBA has changed much today
As the game continues to evolve, NBA BIGS must be able to spread the floor and also go out to contest shooters and defend guards, while still rebounding and defending the paint as well
However, despite all of previous experience, he had 0 experience as an actual HEAD COACH, and he went to seek advice from Pete Carroll and other GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS/COACHES on how to motivate an entire TEAM in to ONE
With the NFL having over 50 players, LEADERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY was divided in to many different roles, and he took that philosophy and incorporated it in to the NBA and his coaching scheme

You gotta understand when you are out of your depths..Your answer is you are a Knick fan and you watch a lot of TV??..You think you have advice for a world class athlete on how to train for his sport..Think about that for a second..

by this post you are basically saying that you do have advice, hence you do understand. well do you?


Yes I do understand..What I understand is that I don't have the knowledge to come close to understand what it takes to get to Melo's level as an athlete...I know better than to suggest what a person should be doing who has mastered their profession..

so you understand that you don't understand. how socratic. yet you remain belligerent and argumentative. how schizo.

how do you live with yourselves?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/5/2015  9:58 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo is a primary scorer in this offense and will most likely be used Flashing to the Elbow on catch and Shoot or in the Pinch Post 2 man game or as the Pivot in the Strong Side Triangle. Either way you want him being the guy the defense is most worried about so that it opens up the back doors for less skilled players.

I would like us to have a player(s) that opponents have to worry about other then Melo so that Melo can get easier looks the same. That's when the offense will be most potent. According to what Melo has said to Phil about not wanting to carry the scoring load every night, Melo wants that as well.


I think Phil has done a decent job of adding some scorers but also making the team better defensively to balance out the need to score a ton just to win. I don't see Melo being "all alone" this year. The names don't jump off the page at you but I think there is enough scoring as long as the defense is much more stout than it was last year.

The overall skill level of the roster isn't bad at all. It's not a sexy looking roster but the overall talent level isn't bad at all.


Jerian Grant	    Arron Afflalo    Carmelo Anthony	Kristaps Porzingis    Robin Lopez
Jose Calderon	    Sasha Vujacic    Cleanthony Early	Derrick Williams      Kyle O’Quinn
Langston Galloway   Thanasis???      Lance Thomas	Lou Amundson	      Kevin Seraphin
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8/5/2015  10:16 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:@ blkexec
Feel free to help be BOLD which part are more important and summarize my "article"
I am genuine and hope The Knicks would improve as a whole, as well as individually

@ holfresh
I do not think, "I know it all"
However, I do believe that is something that you learn of others and different point of view
I DO NOT THINK I KNOW MORE THAN CA, However, as a fan of NYK's and watching him play in Denver and New York, along with in the Olympics, there are some suggestions that I think can improve his game

Many bash Dantoni, however, he has changed the todays NBA game and its continued evolution
I think there is much to learn off Coach Phil Jackson, even more learn off Greg Poppavich, and much to Learn from Coach Steve Kerr which was a desciple of both HOF coaches and was the GM for The Suns and Dantoni
Kerr took much of his prior experience, relationships throughout his journey as a NBA player, management at Sun's in which Gentry was an assistant for Dantoni and took over while tweaking some of his philosophies, along with TNT as a broadcaster/analyst (after all of his previous experiences), as he was able to scout both players and coaches on what works and what does not work, and WHY not
Dantoni's different approach reminded coaches that floor spacing, pushing pace and tempo, forcing mismatches, and how to take advantage of it, and it is obvious with the way the NBA has changed much today
As the game continues to evolve, NBA BIGS must be able to spread the floor and also go out to contest shooters and defend guards, while still rebounding and defending the paint as well
However, despite all of previous experience, he had 0 experience as an actual HEAD COACH, and he went to seek advice from Pete Carroll and other GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS/COACHES on how to motivate an entire TEAM in to ONE
With the NFL having over 50 players, LEADERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY was divided in to many different roles, and he took that philosophy and incorporated it in to the NBA and his coaching scheme

You gotta understand when you are out of your depths..Your answer is you are a Knick fan and you watch a lot of TV??..You think you have advice for a world class athlete on how to train for his sport..Think about that for a second..

by this post you are basically saying that you do have advice, hence you do understand. well do you?


Yes I do understand..What I understand is that I don't have the knowledge to come close to understand what it takes to get to Melo's level as an athlete...I know better than to suggest what a person should be doing who has mastered their profession..

so you understand that you don't understand. how socratic. yet you remain belligerent and argumentative. how schizo.

how do you live with yourselves?

I also understand that your understanding is severely retarded, so I enlighten as much as I can..It ain't easy..
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