holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Lets see how the pieces fit and if the Knicks can run things without an at least average starting PG before we proclaim victory and celebrate Phil Jacksons genius. There are alot of ifs that have to go favorably for this team to succeed. The draft will hinge on how porzingis does..if he turns out to be a dud the draft was a failure. I don't think anyone is blown out of the water with the Afflalo signing and probably not the Lopez signing even if you think it was fair.

Point is the free agency period can't be categorized as an unqualified success right now and neither can the draft. People rushing to bash people critical of Phil Jackson and thinking they should apologize may be eating crow very quickly. Certainly people painting a rosy picture and making fun of haters have been proven fools(my self included a few times) consistently for the past decade plus.

knicks are winning between 29-38 games so no matter what jackson critics will feel vindicated, even if woefully out of touch with the real world.

You bitched and moaned during our 54 win, second round exit, season..Now you are saying fans are woefully out of touch if we don't embrace a 29 win season??..Step away from the bong..

because i saw that regular season for what it ultimately was-- a mirage. the roster was old and breaking down, woodson was a bad coach and the top minutes played were by the stellar trio of jr smith at 52%TS and shooting more threes than free throws (dude is soft), carmelo anthony at 35.6% usage jacking up 22 shots, and raymond "chubbs" felton with 5.5 assists per game. these are losing numbers put up by losers.

fool's gold core right there and simply not a viable playoff team. playoff fodder yes, legit contender no.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

holfresh wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Phil has taken a lot of heat for calling last yrs team a playoff team. It was and has been pretty clear to me though that he said that in order to test how the players would respond, then adapted accordingly.

I'm curious what makes you believe that

When he stated his experiment failed. Underachieveres like JR and Bargs would have to play close to alstar level in order for us to have been a playoff team. Shumpert would also need to bring his game to another level. Melo would need to use the tri to get way easier looks raising his overall efficiency. All these guys have talent. So it came down to mentality.

I think Phil tried to get them to buy in by giving them the goal of playoffs and publically endorsing them.

Or maybe the experiment was flawed..You can't subtract talent and coaching ability from a team that didn't make the playoffs the year before and then think the same team with less talent and coaching ability will make the playoffs...Either some one is drinking their own cool aid or they are not capable of appropriately assessing what's necessary to build a playoff team...

You left out the option of him not realistically believing they were a playoff team but saying so in order to see how they respond. Other then Carmelo, Smith & Calderon every player on the roster was coming off the books. Tearing down and rebuilding was always available. Phil didn't make any short term move try to save the season and make playoff moves when things went south early. He could have easily packaged our 2018 pick Bargs expiring and maybe Early for an attempt to save the season. Phil didn't do anything to attempt to back up his claims if he truly beleived them. But he was def ready to tear it down.

YUP! It amazes me how low an opinion of Phil's intellect some people seem to have. He's not a fool and he thinks long and hard about things. He surely had several scenarios played out ahead of the season. It's not like he just started in basketball and had no idea of what could go wrong and how he'd proceed if it did.

It's the same with this summer's moves. You have to have contingency plans for many likely outcomes. Despite what some may think he's not just winging it and making it up as he goes. Sure there are always changes and some opportunities that present themselves you have to be prepared to take advantage of but there is an underlying blueprint to how Phil wants to build this team.

Nix i know you know that the people that always complain about what Phil has done will even find things to complain about if we win 60 games next year. It's what they do. I definitely thought we were gonna make the playoffs last year at the beginning of the season. It's not that hard to do in the east and we had a good team on paper.

Yeah man. It really sucks that everyone won't get on their knees for Phil Jackson after every decision he makes.I mean he is completely immune to making mistakes right? He has 11 rings for crying out loud. We should all just worship Phil and totally nullify the principle of a forum.