RonRon wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I betcha we sat on our hands with this kid. Instead of going after him aggressively, I bet we hemmed and hawed up the ass and WTF happened--someone else came in and took him. If we came with a fair offer RIGHT AWAY (during the SL season or before), we could've had him. We waited, hemmed and hawed, and lost him.

Over react much???? I mean come on now. LOL

That is why Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson signings MAKE NO SENSE, we wasted 3m in salary cap space and 2 roster spots, knowing that we were going in the THE SUMMER LEAGUE to audition the players on the roster

What is Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson's trade value? What is their potential? Both of 15th man roster's, while we found a GEM that is worth developing only to lose him...

The guy is 200pds but doesn't look like it at all, what if he gets stronger and gets his weight up significantly??

^^^THIS TOO!!!

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??

I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/7/23/9026477/summer-league-standout-maurice-ndour-signs-with-mavericks

Former University of Ohio big man Maurice Ndour agreed to a deal with the Dallas Mavericks, the team announced on Thursday. We'll update this post when terms of the contract are available.

Ndour had a solid Summer League stint with the New York Knicks, averaging 9.6 points and nearly five rebounds in 28.3 minutes per game with New York. ESPN New York's Ian Begley reported that the Knicks did not offer as much guaranteed money as Dallas did.

Ndour scored 23 points in a win over the Philadelphia 76ers in Las Vegas.

The 6-foot-9 forward (with a 7-foot-4 wingspan) from Senegal spent two years at Monroe College before transferring to Ohio, where he was an All-MAC Second Team player, averaging 16 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.3 blocks in his senior year.

This is another big-man signing for the Mavericks that's based solely on youth and potential. Dallas signed D-League star Jarrid Famous to a three-year deal on Monday. Ndour is a guy who could play some small-ball center, but be a primary rim protector at the power forward position. He's another project that will more than likely start with the Texas Legends, but a guy with plenty of upside.

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??

I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.

I can't find much either. This has a little insight:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/23/knicks-summer-league-standout-maurice-ndour-headed-to-mavericks-training-camp/

I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that ****?? It's laughable.

Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??

I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.

I can't find much either. This has a little insight:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/23/knicks-summer-league-standout-maurice-ndour-headed-to-mavericks-training-camp/

I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that ****?? It's laughable.

Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.

How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe ****, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that ****?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and ****ed that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better ****ing TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here?? Couple these blunders with the poor Tyson Chandler trade, a decent draft (jury's still out here though to be fair) and a subpar FA (we added some decent FAs but not one star player despite having what, 28mm in cap room?). Hard to really give glowing reviews so far man and this is coming from someone who prides himself on being objective..

Think about what this roster could've been like going back to last year if Phil showed better vision, more enthusiasm about getting the players he wants and more willingness to meet some of these players' financial needs a little better..

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??

I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.

I can't find much either. This has a little insight:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/23/knicks-summer-league-standout-maurice-ndour-headed-to-mavericks-training-camp/

I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that ****?? It's laughable.

Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.

How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe ****, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that ****?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and ****ed that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better ****ing TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here??

How do you know that they didn't say exactly that to Shved?

Because it was reported that we only offered him a vet minimum deal, just like it was reported by multiple sources that we didn't offer Greg Monroe a max deal and now, didn't offer Maurice Ndour a full TC deal. Come on man--you read the same stuff I do, right? Where do you think I got it from?? None of this upsets you, even a little??? I guess you and some of these other guys around here are better guys than me 'cause I'M PISSED!! ABSOLUTELY LIVID!!!!! Shocked more aren't really...I don't like this pattern of ineptitude I've seen so far outta Phil--the thriftiness, the lack of aggressiveness going after the best, going after what he wants etc. He's really come off looking like a novice NBA exec here lately. Fisher too -- not only does this guy win two games down the stretch which reduced our chances greatly for a top 3 pick, he comes out and says during SL that "we may not have a spot for Ndour in TC." I should've know right then and there that Ndour was gone. I mean I thought he was joking. He had no business saying that at all...What are these guys doing??? They come off like their **** just isn't tight, man. And how much do they get paid, Phil and Fisher?? I expect better, more...The ineptitude is really at an all-time high right now for this regime. They couldn't even get Maurice Ndour right. Lost him to Mark Cuban over a more lucrative TC contract? I mean are you ****ing kidding me??