Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:Great!

We will league the league in wingspans

Wasn't Williams the worst defensive forward in the NBA last year? Why is his wingspan all of sudden going to help his defense.

good question

The idea is to have him be influenced by his teammates good work habits, effort and dedication to play D. He's athletic and long enough to be a better defender. The peer pressure to defend will be much better with this team. We want to get DWill to want to challenge shots as a help defender too. He's got to be challenged and held accountable for giving better effort on D.

We're not the Spurs. We bring out the worst not the best in players.

But the cultures changed

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:Great!

We will league the league in wingspans

Wasn't Williams the worst defensive forward in the NBA last year? Why is his wingspan all of sudden going to help his defense.

good question

The idea is to have him be influenced by his teammates good work habits, effort and dedication to play D. He's athletic and long enough to be a better defender. The peer pressure to defend will be much better with this team. We want to get DWill to want to challenge shots as a help defender too. He's got to be challenged and held accountable for giving better effort on D.

We're not the Spurs. We bring out the worst not the best in players.

I have 0 confidence in Calderon--until they get off of him--I dont hold much hope that we will win games. You cant have good D when the front of your defense has no ability to keep his man in front of him. He is a year older and these kids are younger faster or better. In some games we will just get blown away quickly but lack of footspeed.

If youre telling me our line up is

C Lopez
PF Oquinn
F Carmelo
G Affalo
PG Calderon

I will say freely we have the slowest team in the NBA. That alone will lead to blowouts. I give the Knicks a lot of credit for grabbing pick#35 and Willy G might be good some day but we missed players who can help us right now on both ends from the guard position. I look back and I just think Powell wouldve made a lot of sense. If Willy G was that good--hed be a Spur.

We don't know yet what the Starting lineup will be nor the rotation. I believe they want O'Quinn to be a back up C. O'Quinn isn't a very mobile big so he seems destined to back up the C spot IMO. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Jose is the starter either. I think there's a great chance that they'll start Jerian. He's gonna be 23 at the start of the season so he's not a baby. Even if he takes a few games to get the full swing of things, I think he's the best option to be the starting guard instead of Jose defensively.

I dont know who will start 4--I think thats putting a lot on Porzingis--my hope for him was maybe by game 60 that we could give him 25 minutes--maybe up from 18-22. But I also think Porzingis will eventually be our 5 in 2 years. I think hes to big for any other position. Hes going to gain weight and his natural position will be 5.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:Great!

We will league the league in wingspans

Wasn't Williams the worst defensive forward in the NBA last year? Why is his wingspan all of sudden going to help his defense.

good question

The idea is to have him be influenced by his teammates good work habits, effort and dedication to play D. He's athletic and long enough to be a better defender. The peer pressure to defend will be much better with this team. We want to get DWill to want to challenge shots as a help defender too. He's got to be challenged and held accountable for giving better effort on D.

We're not the Spurs. We bring out the worst not the best in players.

But the cultures changed

Getting rid of JR doesn't reverse 15 years of bad culture. We're currently a .200 team. We're now going to be bringing out the best in players? I'll believe it when I see it.

No I think there has been a definitive course to change some character issues that have plagued the tam for years. I like both rookies--they seem to be great guys and they both have talent. You listen to Oquinn Affalo and Lopez--they sound like good guys--I dont think they are tier 1 basketball players--so we also have to wait and see how they play together. Good character doesn't change foot-speed. Im just looking for a professional improvement. I think we have some guys to root for now. There is some good that has taken place here.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:Great!

We will league the league in wingspans

Wasn't Williams the worst defensive forward in the NBA last year? Why is his wingspan all of sudden going to help his defense.

good question

The idea is to have him be influenced by his teammates good work habits, effort and dedication to play D. He's athletic and long enough to be a better defender. The peer pressure to defend will be much better with this team. We want to get DWill to want to challenge shots as a help defender too. He's got to be challenged and held accountable for giving better effort on D.

We're not the Spurs. We bring out the worst not the best in players.

I have 0 confidence in Calderon--until they get off of him--I dont hold much hope that we will win games. You cant have good D when the front of your defense has no ability to keep his man in front of him. He is a year older and these kids are younger faster or better. In some games we will just get blown away quickly but lack of footspeed.

If youre telling me our line up is

C Lopez
PF Oquinn
F Carmelo
G Affalo
PG Calderon

I will say freely we have the slowest team in the NBA. That alone will lead to blowouts.

It looks like a legit 29 or 30 win team. If either Melo or Lopez gets injured, we may end up fighting for worst record in the league again.

A "legit" 30 win team? What does that mean? Last time I checked 30-52 is not a record that really demands respect. Your wording makes it sound as if that's an achievment. It's not that hard to win 30 games no matter who goes down if the team is well-constructed, which is a testament to just how poor our team was last year.

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:Great!

We will league the league in wingspans

Wasn't Williams the worst defensive forward in the NBA last year? Why is his wingspan all of sudden going to help his defense.

good question

The idea is to have him be influenced by his teammates good work habits, effort and dedication to play D. He's athletic and long enough to be a better defender. The peer pressure to defend will be much better with this team. We want to get DWill to want to challenge shots as a help defender too. He's got to be challenged and held accountable for giving better effort on D.

We're not the Spurs. We bring out the worst not the best in players.

I have 0 confidence in Calderon--until they get off of him--I dont hold much hope that we will win games. You cant have good D when the front of your defense has no ability to keep his man in front of him. He is a year older and these kids are younger faster or better. In some games we will just get blown away quickly but lack of footspeed.

If youre telling me our line up is

C Lopez
PF Oquinn
F Carmelo
G Affalo
PG Calderon

I will say freely we have the slowest team in the NBA. That alone will lead to blowouts.

It looks like a legit 29 or 30 win team. If either Melo or Lopez gets injured, we may end up fighting for worst record in the league again.

A "legit" 30 win team? What does that mean? Last time I checked 30-52 is not a record that really demands respect. Your wording makes it sound as if that's an achievment. It's not that hard to win 30 games no matter who goes down if the team is well-constructed, which is a testament to just how poor our team was last year.

robin lopez is good for about 3.5 wins
kyle o'quinn is good for about 2.0 wins
d. williams is good for about 2.0 wins
arron afflalo is good for about 2.5 wins

factor in the number of win shares of the players these guys are replacing and i think the knicks can add around 8 games to their totla of 17 last season.

so we should expect at minimum 25 wins-- without even considering melo, kp, grant

a healthy melo will give you another 6 wins, conservatively.

31 wins.

grant and porzingis together will give a minimum of 3 wins.

34 wins is the most likely number based on this line of reasoning-- and this is leaving out the possibility of chemistry, fit, synergy.

if they achieve synergy of some sort you can add another 4-7 wins to that number 34.

if all goes well they win 38-41 games this season.

dk7th wrote:by virtue of looking at the win shares of the new free agents we have and adding those win shares to the 17 wins of last season

robin lopez is good for about 3.5 wins
kyle o'quinn is good for about 2.0 wins
d. williams is good for about 2.0 wins
arron afflalo is good for about 2.5 wins

factor in the number of win shares of the players these guys are replacing and i think the knicks can add around 8 games to their totla of 17 last season.

so we should expect at minimum 25 wins-- without even considering melo, kp, grant

a healthy melo will give you another 6 wins, conservatively.

31 wins.

grant and porzingis together will give a minimum of 3 wins.

34 wins is the most likely number based on this line of reasoning-- and this is leaving out the possibility of chemistry, fit, synergy.

if they achieve synergy of some sort you can add another 4-7 wins to that number 34.

if all goes well they win 38-41 games this season.

love this analysis, and agreed. i think 38-41 is the best case scenario, with a playoff berth and some late April/early May experience for KP and Grant and Co. if we have any injuries, Melo misses time, or Fisher proves he's the worst coach in the NBA (all possible) then this will be another lost season.

BRIGGS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont know who will start 4--I think thats putting a lot on Porzingis--my hope for him was maybe by game 60 that we could give him 25 minutes--maybe up from 18-22. But I also think Porzingis will eventually be our 5 in 2 years. I think hes to big for any other position. Hes going to gain weight and his natural position will be 5.

Porzingis played 50 regular season games last year in the second best professional league on the planet. he averaged over 20 minutes a game in those contests (11 points 5 rebounds 1 block 1 steal; 50% from FG, 36% from 3, 75% from FT). for comparison, Towns played 39 games in college basketball and averaged 20 minutes a game as well (10 points 7 rebounds 2 blocks 1 steal; 57%/25%/81%); Okafor played 38 games and averaged 30 minutes a night (17 points 9 rebounds 1 block 1 steal; 66%, 0 3's, 51% FT).

Okafor and Towns are both expected to start and play significantly from the get go, yet KP isn't? i don't understand.

throw KP into the fire and see what happens, i think he'll more than hold his own. he should start at the 4 from day 1 and be playing at least 20 minutes a game.

I dont think KP should be over used in year 1. He has a different body type than OK4 or Towns--those guys are men-hes a boy. Id let him find his way off the bench against 2nd tier players the first 41 games at a minimum.

Okafor and Towns played against kids last year, KP held his own against professionals in Europe. why do you discount that?