holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?

I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

Your continued use of use of anything you think supports your position while ignoring anything you that won't would be cute and smiled at if done by a child, but if done by an adult, the words deceptive and manipulative seem more appropriate.

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..

The other 19 year olds in summer league are logging twice the minutes and aren't as physically drained at the end of games..

I know you're upset that the Knicks didn't take the kid who chose to go to a phony HS, who decided to play in a bootleg professional BB league, and still has not learned to shoot despite having months to hone this most basic BB skill, but at some point you have to get over it.

I'm sure you'll continue to do your cherry picking of the weaknesses you see from the players you don't like, while you overlook or understate the problems of the players you do like, but it does get a bit monotonous and sometimes makes me wonder if you are more a fan of players you like for this or that reason, and less a fan of your professed team.

Maybe its best to spend your time thinking of things that will help the Knicks as they move into the future, rather than trying to justify redoing a past that is not subject to the law of the "do over" no matter how strongly you feel about your opinion.

Time to leave the Twilight Zone...time to come back down to earth.

I know you're upset that the Knicks didn't take the kid who chose to go to a phony HS, who decided to play in a bootleg professional BB league, and still has not learned to shoot despite having months to hone this most basic BB skill, but at some point you have to get over it.

haha... that is awesome. i'm lovin it.

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

If you can find that quote, I'll appreciate it because I never said that..

Ok

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

You also wrote

"This is not a casino where you are rewarded for the more risk you take..Phil taking a big risk doesn't mean the ceiling is that much higher.."

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Mudaiy played well at times and others not so much. There were plenty of guys ahead of him--but looking through numbers--hes got a lot of talent AND he has a LONG way to go.

He showed greta promise physically but lets take a look at some of the numbers vs his original scouting report.

Reports cant shoot well--shooting % 38 3 pt% .14
Turnover prone 4 game s AVERAGE was the highest in SL at 5 a game
Not a great FT shooter 50%

So when you walk out of SL the reason why he was bypassed by some just like Winslow did not change. He has some cracks that will need to be addressed and they wont be fixed for some time. That doesnt mean he cant be a great player one day--but reinforces why we may have bypassed him.

I like our chances in what will develop into a 7-3 skill center Take away the 3 point shot and he made more than 60% of his attempts played good D and showed overall quality skills.

The three point shot is why you drafted him..He isn't going to turn into a low post player..Dude is pulling down like 3 boards a game..U think that's going to change against real men?

That's 3 in 4 pages of one thread.

So again..Show me where I said he had no upside...The fact that you take a bigger risk and is rewarded on a predetermined multiple on that order works in casinos, horse races, etc..Doesn't work in real life..So when Phil says we took a big risk which means there will be an even bigger reward, it's BS..Those are facts...Please note that does not mean this kid doesn't have upside..Just have a problem with the premise of Phil's argument..Its possible but not a given as in predetermine valued outcomes.

Some think he should be a low post presence..I argue that we drafted him for his perimeter play..His interior game is lacking.. Why try to get him to do something he can't do..Jaba Chamberlain was a lights out reliever..Someone thought he would be a great starter..Posada was against him starting..He was never the same pitcher again after trying to turn him into a starter...I also said he pulls down 3 boards per in 20 min..That won't change gainst Real NBA players...Nothing to do with upside..

Saying that Mudiay will start day 1 and Prozinger won't is me illustrating the point that Mudiay is ahead of him in development..Nothing to do with upside..

maybe mudiay is going to start because the nuggets look like a hot mess....

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?

I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

take off the hater glasses. he said year one and in the post. next year is a development year where they'll win between 30-38 games and likely miss the playoffs or get annihilated in the first round like most melo-centric teams. and beyond year one?

No haters glasses..I'm rooting for him because it's in my own selfish interest to see my team win..But I will also keep it real..He is a physically weak individual..You saw the per 36 stats that compared him to other summer league players..Only thing was he played half the minutes compared to other players...You saw him exhausted just about the 18th to 20th min in games..Clyde said he was burnt out playing those 4 games..He just came off playing European pro ball and he still isn't strong enough to fully play summer league ball..What's going to happen in a 82 game season at NBA pace, 4 games in 5 nights pace??..Forget the hurdles of skills that needs to be developed..How long will it take to get him strong enough to keep up with a normal NBA pace?

i don't know how long it will take for him to build up the strength. all i know is he seems like a taller version of kirilenko, who was gangly but strong and used his length and instincts to be a great one on one and team defender.

if kirilinko could sho0t like that, he would be an all star..

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?

I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

Please...do tell who Frashilla would have chosen between Mudiay and KP in the draft. It is quite well known.

Your continued use of use of anything you think supports your position while ignoring anything you that won't would be cute and smiled at if done by a child, but if done by an adult, the words deceptive and manipulative seem more appropriate.

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..

Can't say that I saw KP getting overpowered much, but you might also talk to OK4 about KP's toughness and his being overpowered in the post. Last time I saw of those two together OK4 was getting his shots swatted back at him by a skinny Latvian at the end of the game. You can also have OK4 talk to KP about his decision to front him in the post in the second half of that game, a decision the skinny Latvian made on his own, without a coach telling him to do it.

The other 19 year olds in summer league are logging twice the minutes and aren't as physically drained at the end of games..

Like Melo's protege, Winslow... who basically broke down with the dread affliction known a "general soreness," and then got injured?

I know you're upset that the Knicks didn't take the kid who chose to go to a phony HS, who decided to play in a bootleg professional BB league, and still has not learned to shoot despite having months to hone this most basic BB skill, but at some point you have to get over it.

I'm sure you'll continue to do your cherry picking of the weaknesses you see from the players you don't like, while you overlook or understate the problems of the players you do like, but it does get a bit monotonous and sometimes makes me wonder if you are more a fan of players you like for this or that reason, and less a fan of your professed team.

Maybe its best to spend your time thinking of things that will help the Knicks as they move into the future, rather than trying to justify redoing a past that is not subject to the law of the "do over" no matter how strongly you feel about your opinion.

Time to leave the Twilight Zone...time to come back down to earth.

Fran Franschilla may be KP biggest supporter in media right now..He wanted the Knicks to draft him..

Your continued use of use of anything you think supports your position while ignoring anything you that won't would be cute and smiled at if done by a child, but if done by an adult, the words deceptive and manipulative seem more appropriate.

I'm sure you'll continue to do your cherry picking of the weaknesses you see from the players you don't like, while you overlook or understate the problems of the players you do like, but it does get a bit monotonous and sometimes makes me wonder if you are more a fan of players you like for this or that reason, and less a fan of your professed team.

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

If you can find that quote, I'll appreciate it because I never said that..

Ok

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

You also wrote

"This is not a casino where you are rewarded for the more risk you take..Phil taking a big risk doesn't mean the ceiling is that much higher.."

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Mudaiy played well at times and others not so much. There were plenty of guys ahead of him--but looking through numbers--hes got a lot of talent AND he has a LONG way to go.

He showed greta promise physically but lets take a look at some of the numbers vs his original scouting report.

Reports cant shoot well--shooting % 38 3 pt% .14
Turnover prone 4 game s AVERAGE was the highest in SL at 5 a game
Not a great FT shooter 50%

So when you walk out of SL the reason why he was bypassed by some just like Winslow did not change. He has some cracks that will need to be addressed and they wont be fixed for some time. That doesnt mean he cant be a great player one day--but reinforces why we may have bypassed him.

I like our chances in what will develop into a 7-3 skill center Take away the 3 point shot and he made more than 60% of his attempts played good D and showed overall quality skills.

The three point shot is why you drafted him..He isn't going to turn into a low post player..Dude is pulling down like 3 boards a game..U think that's going to change against real men?

That's 3 in 4 pages of one thread.

So again..Show me where I said he had no upside...The fact that you take a bigger risk and is rewarded on a predetermined multiple on that order works in casinos, horse races, etc..Doesn't work in real life..So when Phil says we took a big risk which means there will be an even bigger reward, it's BS..Those are facts...Please note that does not mean this kid doesn't have upside..Just have a problem with the premise of Phil's argument..Its possible but not a given as in predetermine valued outcomes.

Some think he should be a low post presence..I argue that we drafted him for his perimeter play..His interior game is lacking.. Why try to get him to do something he can't do..Jaba Chamberlain was a lights out reliever..Someone thought he would be a great starter..Posada was against him starting..He was never the same pitcher again after trying to turn him into a starter...I also said he pulls down 3 boards per in 20 min..That won't change gainst Real NBA players...Nothing to do with upside..

Saying that Mudiay will start day 1 and Prozinger won't is me illustrating the point that Mudiay is ahead of him in development..Nothing to do with upside..

I had a nice long, well thought out post just about 75% finished when my browser refreshed itself so I am gonna give the cliff notes version.

-Mudiay has talent, but he wouldn't have been able to show it until Carmelo is gone.

-Someone said it earlier - Phil has "profiles" of players he wants. Currently Mudiay duplicates Carmelo's, henchmen why the previous point. By this I mean a volume scorer, volume shooter who needs the ball to be effective.

-Personally, Carmelo has been misused since he got here and he sucks because of it. Whether through his decision or the team he has turned into a volume jumpshooter. In Denver he was the BEST post player in the league. Hands down. A freakin' bull on the block monster who gave even Lebron fits on offense and defense. Now he is too easy to defend. As his game has offensive game has turned one dimensional.

-As they may be running a modified version of the triangle, the PG'S main responsibility on offense was to basically get the ball past mid court and give it to the primary wing scorer (Jordan, Kobe, Pippen, after Jordan). The primary wing needs to know how to pass and initiate an offense. Carmelo doesn't seem to know how to do this.

-In relation to Porzingis, you gotta let this kid develop. Mentally, the back court is hardest position in the NBA to grasp, specifically the 1. Physically, the backcourt is much harder to adjust to for a young player, you need to really take that into consideration.

Overall, Melo has been a much better player in NY than he was in Denver.

I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that he was a better player in Denver.

mreinman wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

If you can find that quote, I'll appreciate it because I never said that..

Ok

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

You also wrote

"This is not a casino where you are rewarded for the more risk you take..Phil taking a big risk doesn't mean the ceiling is that much higher.."

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Mudaiy played well at times and others not so much. There were plenty of guys ahead of him--but looking through numbers--hes got a lot of talent AND he has a LONG way to go.

He showed greta promise physically but lets take a look at some of the numbers vs his original scouting report.

Reports cant shoot well--shooting % 38 3 pt% .14
Turnover prone 4 game s AVERAGE was the highest in SL at 5 a game
Not a great FT shooter 50%

So when you walk out of SL the reason why he was bypassed by some just like Winslow did not change. He has some cracks that will need to be addressed and they wont be fixed for some time. That doesnt mean he cant be a great player one day--but reinforces why we may have bypassed him.

I like our chances in what will develop into a 7-3 skill center Take away the 3 point shot and he made more than 60% of his attempts played good D and showed overall quality skills.

The three point shot is why you drafted him..He isn't going to turn into a low post player..Dude is pulling down like 3 boards a game..U think that's going to change against real men?

That's 3 in 4 pages of one thread.

So again..Show me where I said he had no upside...The fact that you take a bigger risk and is rewarded on a predetermined multiple on that order works in casinos, horse races, etc..Doesn't work in real life..So when Phil says we took a big risk which means there will be an even bigger reward, it's BS..Those are facts...Please note that does not mean this kid doesn't have upside..Just have a problem with the premise of Phil's argument..Its possible but not a given as in predetermine valued outcomes.

Some think he should be a low post presence..I argue that we drafted him for his perimeter play..His interior game is lacking.. Why try to get him to do something he can't do..Jaba Chamberlain was a lights out reliever..Someone thought he would be a great starter..Posada was against him starting..He was never the same pitcher again after trying to turn him into a starter...I also said he pulls down 3 boards per in 20 min..That won't change gainst Real NBA players...Nothing to do with upside..

Saying that Mudiay will start day 1 and Prozinger won't is me illustrating the point that Mudiay is ahead of him in development..Nothing to do with upside..

I had a nice long, well thought out post just about 75% finished when my browser refreshed itself so I am gonna give the cliff notes version.

-Mudiay has talent, but he wouldn't have been able to show it until Carmelo is gone.

-Someone said it earlier - Phil has "profiles" of players he wants. Currently Mudiay duplicates Carmelo's, henchmen why the previous point. By this I mean a volume scorer, volume shooter who needs the ball to be effective.

-Personally, Carmelo has been misused since he got here and he sucks because of it. Whether through his decision or the team he has turned into a volume jumpshooter. In Denver he was the BEST post player in the league. Hands down. A freakin' bull on the block monster who gave even Lebron fits on offense and defense. Now he is too easy to defend. As his game has offensive game has turned one dimensional.

-As they may be running a modified version of the triangle, the PG'S main responsibility on offense was to basically get the ball past mid court and give it to the primary wing scorer (Jordan, Kobe, Pippen, after Jordan). The primary wing needs to know how to pass and initiate an offense. Carmelo doesn't seem to know how to do this.

-In relation to Porzingis, you gotta let this kid develop. Mentally, the back court is hardest position in the NBA to grasp, specifically the 1. Physically, the backcourt is much harder to adjust to for a young player, you need to really take that into consideration.

Overall, Melo has been a much better player in NY than he was in Denver.

I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that he was a better player in Denver.

His offensive game was much more diverse, and his great offensive game motivated his defense. Yes his rebounding was a bit lower there but he was playing next to Camby for a while if I believe and some other rebounder at primarily SF, where his rebounding rate although lower than now was close to tops among SF's. Those teams were tailor made around him like those 76er teams were tailed made around AI.

joec32033 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

If you can find that quote, I'll appreciate it because I never said that..

Ok

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

You also wrote

"This is not a casino where you are rewarded for the more risk you take..Phil taking a big risk doesn't mean the ceiling is that much higher.."

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Mudaiy played well at times and others not so much. There were plenty of guys ahead of him--but looking through numbers--hes got a lot of talent AND he has a LONG way to go.

He showed greta promise physically but lets take a look at some of the numbers vs his original scouting report.

Reports cant shoot well--shooting % 38 3 pt% .14
Turnover prone 4 game s AVERAGE was the highest in SL at 5 a game
Not a great FT shooter 50%

So when you walk out of SL the reason why he was bypassed by some just like Winslow did not change. He has some cracks that will need to be addressed and they wont be fixed for some time. That doesnt mean he cant be a great player one day--but reinforces why we may have bypassed him.

I like our chances in what will develop into a 7-3 skill center Take away the 3 point shot and he made more than 60% of his attempts played good D and showed overall quality skills.

The three point shot is why you drafted him..He isn't going to turn into a low post player..Dude is pulling down like 3 boards a game..U think that's going to change against real men?

That's 3 in 4 pages of one thread.

So again..Show me where I said he had no upside...The fact that you take a bigger risk and is rewarded on a predetermined multiple on that order works in casinos, horse races, etc..Doesn't work in real life..So when Phil says we took a big risk which means there will be an even bigger reward, it's BS..Those are facts...Please note that does not mean this kid doesn't have upside..Just have a problem with the premise of Phil's argument..Its possible but not a given as in predetermine valued outcomes.

Some think he should be a low post presence..I argue that we drafted him for his perimeter play..His interior game is lacking.. Why try to get him to do something he can't do..Jaba Chamberlain was a lights out reliever..Someone thought he would be a great starter..Posada was against him starting..He was never the same pitcher again after trying to turn him into a starter...I also said he pulls down 3 boards per in 20 min..That won't change gainst Real NBA players...Nothing to do with upside..

Saying that Mudiay will start day 1 and Prozinger won't is me illustrating the point that Mudiay is ahead of him in development..Nothing to do with upside..

I had a nice long, well thought out post just about 75% finished when my browser refreshed itself so I am gonna give the cliff notes version.

-Mudiay has talent, but he wouldn't have been able to show it until Carmelo is gone.

-Someone said it earlier - Phil has "profiles" of players he wants. Currently Mudiay duplicates Carmelo's, henchmen why the previous point. By this I mean a volume scorer, volume shooter who needs the ball to be effective.

-Personally, Carmelo has been misused since he got here and he sucks because of it. Whether through his decision or the team he has turned into a volume jumpshooter. In Denver he was the BEST post player in the league. Hands down. A freakin' bull on the block monster who gave even Lebron fits on offense and defense. Now he is too easy to defend. As his game has offensive game has turned one dimensional.

-As they may be running a modified version of the triangle, the PG'S main responsibility on offense was to basically get the ball past mid court and give it to the primary wing scorer (Jordan, Kobe, Pippen, after Jordan). The primary wing needs to know how to pass and initiate an offense. Carmelo doesn't seem to know how to do this.

-In relation to Porzingis, you gotta let this kid develop. Mentally, the back court is hardest position in the NBA to grasp, specifically the 1. Physically, the backcourt is much harder to adjust to for a young player, you need to really take that into consideration.

Overall, Melo has been a much better player in NY than he was in Denver.

I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that he was a better player in Denver.

His offensive game was much more diverse, and his great offensive game motivated his defense. Yes his rebounding was a bit lower there but he was playing next to Camby for a while if I believe and some other rebounder at primarily SF, where his rebounding rate although lower than now was close to tops among SF's. Those teams were tailor made around him like those 76er teams were tailed made around AI.

Yes. He had a better team around him. That made him look even better.

In NY, he was surrounded by crap and produced at a much higher level. That makes it even a bigger disparity.

What did Melo do better in Denver?

holfresh wrote:@joec32033..Mudiay isn't a scorer, he is a pass first PG..He and Melo couldn't be more different..Melo has changed his game to adapt to the changing offenses..That's a good thing not a bad thing..Melo has had his best years as a Knicks..Phil is trying to rebrand the Knicks much like Lyden did..Nice guys with good personalities and "from good families"..

Mudiay averaged 15.5 shots per game. More than Russell. He averaged more 3 pta than Russell. He also averaged 6.8 assists to Russell's 6.3. People are calling Russell a combo guard with similar stats. You keep comparing him to John Wall who is a scoring PG.