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7/17/2015  3:47 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

What makes you think he doesn't realize, it's ridiculous that the media can post a speculated assumption that melo is somewhat not on board, and people run with that like melo this and melo that... but then when melo comes right out on social media and states he has no issues with what phil is doing, people brush it under the rug and roll their eyes.


Then there guys like stephen a, barkley, k mart, who critic phil for not landing a big name FA or high jacking draft picks from other teams, like phil was suppose to put a gun to these FA's head and threaten to wipe their families out if they don't sign with us.

Melo also said that he and MDA got along swimmingly and that he had no idea that there was an issue.

everybody spins.

That's because MDA is extremely passive aggressive, a horrible communicator and would never let his true feelings show bluntly due to fear of confrontation.

I think that you just described Melo to a T

I really like MDA, I wish he was here instead of fisher, or better yet, i wish he was here with fisher. I think a combination of 7 sec or less, with the triangle would be unstoppable.

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7/17/2015  3:59 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
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mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

What makes you think he doesn't realize, it's ridiculous that the media can post a speculated assumption that melo is somewhat not on board, and people run with that like melo this and melo that... but then when melo comes right out on social media and states he has no issues with what phil is doing, people brush it under the rug and roll their eyes.


Then there guys like stephen a, barkley, k mart, who critic phil for not landing a big name FA or high jacking draft picks from other teams, like phil was suppose to put a gun to these FA's head and threaten to wipe their families out if they don't sign with us.

Melo also said that he and MDA got along swimmingly and that he had no idea that there was an issue.

everybody spins.

That's because MDA is extremely passive aggressive, a horrible communicator and would never let his true feelings show bluntly due to fear of confrontation.

MDA gets a bad rap. Dude didn't have all these negative opinions until he came to NY. His players loved him in PHX. He had issues with Amar'e because Amar'e was horrid on D. We came to find that out ourselves. Melo was clearly not giving his all when he was asked to take more responsibility. The ball was in his hands a lot and he actually was getting more assists under MDA but he was also resistant to the changes. If Melo had fully bought in there's no telling how good the team could've been. The biggest issue MDA had was the lack of a real PG. If they had given him a legit PG he would've won a lot of games in NY.

Melo has a chance to finish out his career in NY on a very positive note. This roster is young but there are some talented players and some hard workers on the roster. All Melo has to do is lead them on the court and Locker room in a positive manner. Take joy in his role as the top dog and help his young teammates to succeed. It's all on him to make the most of this.

It is who he is. There isn't a coach out there that can't win with a Steve Nash. Meanwhile guys like Phil were able to mold personalities into winners.

If Phil were coaching, I would say for sure he would have gotten the best out of Carmelo. He would use the media to hold Carmelo accountable; something I am for certain Fisher can't do.

Fisher doesn't have the reputation, the personality, or the experience to coach veterans...

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7/17/2015  4:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

What makes you think he doesn't realize, it's ridiculous that the media can post a speculated assumption that melo is somewhat not on board, and people run with that like melo this and melo that... but then when melo comes right out on social media and states he has no issues with what phil is doing, people brush it under the rug and roll their eyes.


Then there guys like stephen a, barkley, k mart, who critic phil for not landing a big name FA or high jacking draft picks from other teams, like phil was suppose to put a gun to these FA's head and threaten to wipe their families out if they don't sign with us.

Melo also said that he and MDA got along swimmingly and that he had no idea that there was an issue.

everybody spins.

That's because MDA is extremely passive aggressive, a horrible communicator and would never let his true feelings show bluntly due to fear of confrontation.

MDA gets a bad rap. Dude didn't have all these negative opinions until he came to NY. His players loved him in PHX. He had issues with Amar'e because Amar'e was horrid on D. We came to find that out ourselves. Melo was clearly not giving his all when he was asked to take more responsibility. The ball was in his hands a lot and he actually was getting more assists under MDA but he was also resistant to the changes. If Melo had fully bought in there's no telling how good the team could've been. The biggest issue MDA had was the lack of a real PG. If they had given him a legit PG he would've won a lot of games in NY.

Melo has a chance to finish out his career in NY on a very positive note. This roster is young but there are some talented players and some hard workers on the roster. All Melo has to do is lead them on the court and Locker room in a positive manner. Take joy in his role as the top dog and help his young teammates to succeed. It's all on him to make the most of this.

It is who he is. There isn't a coach out there that can't win with a Steve Nash. Meanwhile guys like Phil were able to mold personalities into winners.

If Phil were coaching, I would say for sure he would have gotten the best out of Carmelo. He would use the media to hold Carmelo accountable; something I am for certain Fisher can't do.

Fisher doesn't have the reputation, the personality, or the experience to coach veterans...

This is why I was against the hire from the jump. In fact I believe fisher's presence hurts us both in the draft and free agency. Let's be honest, the main reasons we missed out on Towns and Okafor and Russel; as well as, big name free agents are solely due to Fisher's ineptitude and accomplishment as a coach

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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7/17/2015  4:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

What makes you think he doesn't realize, it's ridiculous that the media can post a speculated assumption that melo is somewhat not on board, and people run with that like melo this and melo that... but then when melo comes right out on social media and states he has no issues with what phil is doing, people brush it under the rug and roll their eyes.


Then there guys like stephen a, barkley, k mart, who critic phil for not landing a big name FA or high jacking draft picks from other teams, like phil was suppose to put a gun to these FA's head and threaten to wipe their families out if they don't sign with us.

Melo also said that he and MDA got along swimmingly and that he had no idea that there was an issue.

everybody spins.

That's because MDA is extremely passive aggressive, a horrible communicator and would never let his true feelings show bluntly due to fear of confrontation.

MDA gets a bad rap. Dude didn't have all these negative opinions until he came to NY. His players loved him in PHX. He had issues with Amar'e because Amar'e was horrid on D. We came to find that out ourselves. Melo was clearly not giving his all when he was asked to take more responsibility. The ball was in his hands a lot and he actually was getting more assists under MDA but he was also resistant to the changes. If Melo had fully bought in there's no telling how good the team could've been. The biggest issue MDA had was the lack of a real PG. If they had given him a legit PG he would've won a lot of games in NY.

Melo has a chance to finish out his career in NY on a very positive note. This roster is young but there are some talented players and some hard workers on the roster. All Melo has to do is lead them on the court and Locker room in a positive manner. Take joy in his role as the top dog and help his young teammates to succeed. It's all on him to make the most of this.

It is who he is. There isn't a coach out there that can't win with a Steve Nash. Meanwhile guys like Phil were able to mold personalities into winners.

Steve Nash wasn't a 2 time MVP until he got with MDA. All of Nash's stats increased under MDA and Nash gives MDA credit for helping him reach his full potential. Trust me there's very few things I don't know about how MDA and Nash worked together. MDA really had a perfect pairing with Nash. Why do you think they went after Nash in the 1st place?

Yet if anyone was never going to forget about Nash's greatness, it was the man who was with him during the highest of highs and the lowest of lows: coach Mike D'Antoni.

To say D'Antoni spent six seasons as Nash's coach while with the Phoenix Suns and the Lakers doesn't do it justice. They were as compatible a player-coach combo as the game has ever seen – a quarterback and his offensive coordinator, as Sports Illustrated's Jack McCallum wrote in his book about those Suns teams, "Seven Seconds or Less." Theirs is a mutual admiration society born out of their shared glory in Phoenix, where the Suns' electric style from 2004 to 2008 may not have led to a championship but made a lasting mark on the league nonetheless.

D'Antoni, who is hoping to get back into the NBA and is expected to be a candidate for the Denver Nuggets position this summer, reflected on Nash's career in an interview with USA TODAY Sports.

Q: So we've known this was coming for a while now, but what was it like to see it finally, officially, come to an end for Steve?

A: "Well I think like you said, it brought up a lot of memories – a lot of good memories, and what's right about sports and basketball and people. We had an incredible four years together, some of the best moments that I've had, and I'm 63. So to be able to go back this week and relive them a little bit, and think about things, and see also just the outcome of that chance (where) he came to us that is great. It's great. It's great memories … There were a lot of tough times, where we lost and almost got there and all that. But you know what? Hanging out with him and trying to create something is what remains, and it was super."

Q: What was your relationship like with Steve when he signed in 2004? And then what was your approach to creating the relationship that (writer) Jack McCallum once described as the quarterback-offensive coordinator type relationship (in his book on the D'Antoni-Nash Phoenix Suns titled "Seven Seconds or Less")?

A: "I didn't know Steve at all. I'd run into him, like everybody else in the NBA. You run into him, say 'hi.' And he's really a pleasant guy, so you think you know him even though you really don't. But I think the first step was just the incredible luck (where) we were able to bring him back to Phoenix. A little bit of everything. We definitely targeted him as our No. 1 guy, and yet at the same time we didn't think that (he would come). Steve is very loyal, and he really wanted to go back to Dallas, but it didn't work out with them for whatever reason, and so we were able to latch onto him. And from there, he fit in to what we envisioned, how we wanted to play, and he just took it to the best level that he could at that time. And like everything, we were extremely lucky to get someone like him, because his philosophy of how he wanted to play in the sense of being supportive – he was a great teammate, and creating an atmosphere that we're always as coaches trying to seek, where you're building the bonds and the relationships where it really goes above winning and losing and it goes into the unit, the team. He maximized all that."

Q: Did you know all in that he would be all-in when it came to that approach? I can't imagine it was a tough sales job when you told Steve what you wanted to do.

A: "Well you know I think we both kind of pushed the envelope a little bit. It was so new back then, and everybody was really against it. Other coaches around (were against it). We were kind of going against the wind and against the prevailing philosophies. So being a newer coach here, and having a team, thank God I had the backing of the Colangelos when we first started. And we just kind of pushed it together, in the sense of, 'Well maybe we can do that. Maybe yeah, let's go.' I kept gaining more confidence in him, and vice versa. And we were able to play off each other.

"To be honest with you, we could have even pushed it further. I think that just being first in the water, we didn't go to the deep end real quick. It took a while to get to the deep end. But we could have been more, a little bit better approach at that if we had the analytic backing that they're showing you today. We could have been more creative. But being the first out, I'm proud of how it went."

Q: So five seconds or less, then?

A: "Yeah, really. But he was the perfect partner. And his version of the game, and how he wanted to play, and how he wanted to treat his teammates, his team. And it was perfect. It went exactly the way that I thought it should be done. It was what it was, and we were extremely proud of it."

Q: I'm going to steal another passage from Jack's book. The expression "Sputare sangue" – the "spit blood" Italian saying that he writes about that one of your old coaches, (former Milan coach) Dan Peterson, had put in you and something that you and Steve had in common. In terms of Steve's career, do you feel like that part of who he was and the way he competed might get lost sometimes? We focus so much on the fancy passing and the shooting and the shooting and all that, but we forget that when it comes to being a competitor, this guy was just something else.

A: "Right. I agree with you 100 percent. I told people the other day that everybody could see him coming down and how we played and the ball whipping around, and it's pretty and very cosmetic. But what they didn't see was his spirit in the weight room with the other players, when times were tough on the bench, in the locker room, when plays would go bad and we were ready to have a "OK guys, we've got to play better defense" or whatever it is kind of meeting, he would just stand up and say, 'Listen, my fault. I didn't play well enough. We'll do better.' So he took responsibility. They didn't see the little things, how coach-able he was, how we could explore different things together, how he taught me things and I could teach him stuff. Just an easy back and forth and trying to get the most out of what we had, and I thought for the most part we did. And a lot of that is his character, his competitiveness, and just what he brought to the game."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2015/03/24/mike-dantoni-steve-nash/70368456/

That had more to do with philosophy then MDAs personality. MDA had a great philosophy which was his strength. His weakness was his passive aggressive personality. Since Nash was pretty much a angel he was never really challenged in that aspect. Nor did he have any of those personalities on his team once Marbury was traded.

I don't see MDA being able to deal with a Jordan. I think Lebron would treat MDA the way he doss Blatt

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7/17/2015  4:17 PM
MDA is one of the worst coaches around. Nash made him a household name. Minus Nash dude prove that he can't win
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7/17/2015  6:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2015  6:24 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:MDA is one of the worst coaches around. Nash made him a household name. Minus Nash dude prove that he can't win

I think they both complimented each other. It's like MDA said, hey nash, i got a system that will make you a 2 time MVP.

You have to remember they won 50 games with 6 7" Marion playing center, when amare had the eye injury.

Look at a 61 win roster


Marcus Banks PG
Leandro Barbosa SG
Raja Bell SG
Pat Burke C
Boris Diaw PF
James Jones SF
Jumaine Jones SF
Shawn Marion SF
Sean Marks PF
Eric Piatkowski SG
Jalen Rose SF
Amar'e Stoudemire
Kurt Thomas

61 fckng games and amare miss half the season

On papar that roster looks like a lottery team, and people say nash didnt deserve the MVP,

chemistry , and role play means more than any amount of talent you can find

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7/17/2015  7:11 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

What makes you think he doesn't realize, it's ridiculous that the media can post a speculated assumption that melo is somewhat not on board, and people run with that like melo this and melo that... but then when melo comes right out on social media and states he has no issues with what phil is doing, people brush it under the rug and roll their eyes.


Then there guys like stephen a, barkley, k mart, who critic phil for not landing a big name FA or high jacking draft picks from other teams, like phil was suppose to put a gun to these FA's head and threaten to wipe their families out if they don't sign with us.

In my book, action speaks louder then words. Carmelo could have scratched all of that by showing up in Vegas and sit next to Phil for just two minutes. This is what you call photo op. Which is not too late.

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Thats what you says. Melo can do what he wants to do. He was hangin with the big dogs like LeBron. For over 40 years we won nothing and the best player we had Ewing we ran out of town. When I said the big names were not coming here everyone said money talks. Well guess what? No stars came. Phil Jackson in irrelevant. These young guys could care less if Phil had 50 rings. They were not impressed and Pat Railey had nothing to do with LeBron coming to miami. LeBron and the boys made a pac.

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7/17/2015  7:17 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:MDA is one of the worst coaches around. Nash made him a household name. Minus Nash dude prove that he can't win

I think they both complimented each other. It's like MDA said, hey nash, i got a system that will make you a 2 time MVP.

You have to remember they won 50 games with 6 7" Marion playing center, when amare had the eye injury.

Look at a 61 win roster


Marcus Banks PG
Leandro Barbosa SG
Raja Bell SG
Pat Burke C
Boris Diaw PF
James Jones SF
Jumaine Jones SF
Shawn Marion SF
Sean Marks PF
Eric Piatkowski SG
Jalen Rose SF
Amar'e Stoudemire
Kurt Thomas

61 fckng games and amare miss half the season

On papar that roster looks like a lottery team, and people say nash didnt deserve the MVP,

chemistry , and role play means more than any amount of talent you can find


Exactly. MDA really did give the NBA a new way of looking at the game and he and Nash were a perfect fit, but I think he would've worked just as well with CP3 had we waited on him rather than go after Tyson. The point I was making to knicks1969 is that here in NY we didn't work with MDA. If you hire a system coach you have to work with him to get players for that system or else don't hire a system coach. It's the same with Phil here in NY. He's remaking the roster with his kind of players. It wouldn't work if we forced him to make it work only with players that were the complete opposite of what he needed.

Getting back to Melo I think Phil is basically building a team that can support Melo and also function minus Melo. It's the only way to go about it. You can't operate a franchise based solely on one player unless it's an all time great, which Melo is not. I like Melo but he's not a Lebron or MJ. We have to build not just for now but the future. If Melo buys in he'll be fine here in this group of players.

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7/17/2015  7:25 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

He has a chance to make everybody better....which has been an issue his entire career.

KP will also get easier shots next to melo....

Dwill will be the offensive cleanup man.....

Rolo will do his part on defense....

Aflalo will be the floor ann locker room coach....

Playoffs

Yes. At least playoffs.

I think Phil and Melo are working hand in hand and the media innuendos are just fiction. Melo can't say to his former teammates, "Good riddance". Phil gives him plausible deniability and cover to be politically correct.

Phil did the same for Fisher who lost game after game with the support of Phil and the organization.

I think Melo will have a great year, health willing. And he will get roundly criticized all the way to the playoffs because that's what the media do in NY.

But my guess is that he's clicking his heels with the quality of incoming players. To think otherwise is delusional.

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7/17/2015  8:36 PM
For the records, MDA used a system developed by Don Nelson; thus, he did not revolutionize the game as some of you have claimed.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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7/17/2015  9:02 PM
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mreinman wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:To be a success for a very long time. Although I don't think Carmelo realizes it, but if you look at the talents Phil has assembled this season, you can easily see that he had Carmelo in mind. He knows Carmelo's strengths and weaknesses; to complement both, he amassed guys who can defend and are not selfish ballers. He even went as far as solving the leadership issues in my opinion and that will definitely make the Knicks a much better team next season.

Now all we need is for Carmelo to show support and assume his responsibility. We know he can score and rebound the ball; what we all want to see now is how much he truly wants to win. He needs to learn to share the ball a little and that remains to be seen.

Phil did a terrible job in his first year, but he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

What makes you think he doesn't realize, it's ridiculous that the media can post a speculated assumption that melo is somewhat not on board, and people run with that like melo this and melo that... but then when melo comes right out on social media and states he has no issues with what phil is doing, people brush it under the rug and roll their eyes.


Then there guys like stephen a, barkley, k mart, who critic phil for not landing a big name FA or high jacking draft picks from other teams, like phil was suppose to put a gun to these FA's head and threaten to wipe their families out if they don't sign with us.

Melo also said that he and MDA got along swimmingly and that he had no idea that there was an issue.

everybody spins.

That's because MDA is extremely passive aggressive, a horrible communicator and would never let his true feelings show bluntly due to fear of confrontation.

I think that you just described Melo to a T

I really like MDA, I wish he was here instead of fisher, or better yet, i wish he was here with fisher. I think a combination of 7 sec or less, with the triangle would be unstoppable.

The triangle is more like...27 seconds or more...

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7/17/2015  9:13 PM
Any news thats pro melo is cool with me. I approve this thread. Optimism baby
Phil is setting up Carmelo.......

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