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dk7th
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7/15/2015  4:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  4:20 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:from what he has shown in summer league i am not a fan. i'd like to see him him make plays for others in the halfcourt. seems like his entire game is going one on one and scoring in transition. defense doesn't look like much either. for all his energy his floor impact is negligible. same with ledo.

n'dour, however, is another story.

I'm just amazed at how off you have been in you recaps regarding players..Once you said Early wasn't efficient when he went 6-9..He doesn't make plays for others yet he is second in assist on the team behind Grant..He had a 9 rebound game the game prior..His defense doesn't look like much but it what the Knick commentators are raving about...He leads the team in scoring and the Knicks have won every game..His impact is negligible??? Bro are you watching these games or just pulling shiit out your, you know what???

you lack perspective and don't see things outside the context once again....

i said i do not see an efficient player out there when it comes to the triangle. have you see much triangle in sl? he'll be fine in a bench role outside of the triangle. i am saying when i see him play i see a lot of energy but it isn't a team-oriented energy, meaning when it comes to working his game through the triangle offense i just don't see it. he's also taking too many shots at the expense of trying to be a playmaker.

as always i hope to be proven wrong but come the regular season please remember this exchange.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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ChuckBuck
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7/15/2015  4:34 PM
mreinman wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Did we draft Early last year to eventually replace Melo once we trade him?

don't know about that but now that we have the future Melo in Derrick Williams ...


Yeah, I can see Williams being as good as Melo. We're talking Melo at 50 right.

all star melo or london melo

Ugh, don't remind me of All Star Game playing for his brand Melo...

                                                                                                      
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15 30 NYK NBA SF 1 1 30:16 6 20 .300 2 13 .154 0 0 3 7 0 1 1 1 2 14
holfresh
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7/15/2015  4:38 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Did we draft Early last year to eventually replace Melo once we trade him?

don't know about that but now that we have the future Melo in Derrick Williams ...


Yeah, I can see Williams being as good as Melo. We're talking Melo at 50 right.

all star melo or london melo

Ugh, don't remind me of All Star Game playing for his brand Melo...

                                                                                                      
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15 30 NYK NBA SF 1 1 30:16 6 20 .300 2 13 .154 0 0 3 7 0 1 1 1 2 14

This has to be a new low..Posting all star stats..
mreinman
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7/15/2015  4:58 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:from what he has shown in summer league i am not a fan. i'd like to see him him make plays for others in the halfcourt. seems like his entire game is going one on one and scoring in transition. defense doesn't look like much either. for all his energy his floor impact is negligible. same with ledo.

n'dour, however, is another story.

I'm just amazed at how off you have been in you recaps regarding players..Once you said Early wasn't efficient when he went 6-9..He doesn't make plays for others yet he is second in assist on the team behind Grant..He had a 9 rebound game the game prior..His defense doesn't look like much but it what the Knick commentators are raving about...He leads the team in scoring and the Knicks have won every game..His impact is negligible??? Bro are you watching these games or just pulling shiit out your, you know what???

you lack perspective and don't see things outside the context once again....

i said i do not see an efficient player out there when it comes to the triangle. have you see much triangle in sl? he'll be fine in a bench role outside of the triangle. i am saying when i see him play i see a lot of energy but it isn't a team-oriented energy, meaning when it comes to working his game through the triangle offense i just don't see it. he's also taking too many shots at the expense of trying to be a playmaker.

as always i hope to be proven wrong but come the regular season please remember this exchange.

I did see a lot of triangle sets (at least I think I did)

so here is what phil is thinking ....
dk7th
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7/15/2015  5:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:from what he has shown in summer league i am not a fan. i'd like to see him him make plays for others in the halfcourt. seems like his entire game is going one on one and scoring in transition. defense doesn't look like much either. for all his energy his floor impact is negligible. same with ledo.

n'dour, however, is another story.

I'm just amazed at how off you have been in you recaps regarding players..Once you said Early wasn't efficient when he went 6-9..He doesn't make plays for others yet he is second in assist on the team behind Grant..He had a 9 rebound game the game prior..His defense doesn't look like much but it what the Knick commentators are raving about...He leads the team in scoring and the Knicks have won every game..His impact is negligible??? Bro are you watching these games or just pulling shiit out your, you know what???

you lack perspective and don't see things outside the context once again....

i said i do not see an efficient player out there when it comes to the triangle. have you see much triangle in sl? he'll be fine in a bench role outside of the triangle. i am saying when i see him play i see a lot of energy but it isn't a team-oriented energy, meaning when it comes to working his game through the triangle offense i just don't see it. he's also taking too many shots at the expense of trying to be a playmaker.

as always i hope to be proven wrong but come the regular season please remember this exchange.

I did see a lot of triangle sets (at least I think I did)

i have seen the barest semblance of the triangle out there, mostly not. spacing, cutting, positioning all not great. lots of high pick and roll, some weave at the top of the key.

hey it's summer league. i think it's more of a free for all audition than a force-fed offense.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
GustavBahler
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7/15/2015  8:27 PM
Early certainly wasn't invisible against the Sixers. If he can stay aggressive but play smart, Early can help make the second unit pretty potent.
yellowboy90
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7/15/2015  9:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  9:07 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:from what he has shown in summer league i am not a fan. i'd like to see him him make plays for others in the halfcourt. seems like his entire game is going one on one and scoring in transition. defense doesn't look like much either. for all his energy his floor impact is negligible. same with ledo.

n'dour, however, is another story.

I'm just amazed at how off you have been in you recaps regarding players..Once you said Early wasn't efficient when he went 6-9..He doesn't make plays for others yet he is second in assist on the team behind Grant..He had a 9 rebound game the game prior..His defense doesn't look like much but it what the Knick commentators are raving about...He leads the team in scoring and the Knicks have won every game..His impact is negligible??? Bro are you watching these games or just pulling shiit out your, you know what???

you lack perspective and don't see things outside the context once again....

i said i do not see an efficient player out there when it comes to the triangle. have you see much triangle in sl? he'll be fine in a bench role outside of the triangle. i am saying when i see him play i see a lot of energy but it isn't a team-oriented energy, meaning when it comes to working his game through the triangle offense i just don't see it. he's also taking too many shots at the expense of trying to be a playmaker.

as always i hope to be proven wrong but come the regular season please remember this exchange.

I did see a lot of triangle sets (at least I think I did)

They are running a lot of triangle sets they just get into it differently. Each game has showcased different ways the triangle can be run. They coaches are tinkering with new sets and trying to create fluidity.

Personally, I take what I see from second year players i SL with a grain of salt. However, It is possible Early can become an efficient player in the triangle offense because it helps hide his lack of dribbling skills. All he has to do is become a good screener, cutter, finisher, and spot up shooter. If Early can become a legit NBA defender he might be able to stay in this league.

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7/16/2015  1:04 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:from what he has shown in summer league i am not a fan. i'd like to see him him make plays for others in the halfcourt. seems like his entire game is going one on one and scoring in transition. defense doesn't look like much either. for all his energy his floor impact is negligible. same with ledo.

n'dour, however, is another story.

I'm just amazed at how off you have been in you recaps regarding players..Once you said Early wasn't efficient when he went 6-9..He doesn't make plays for others yet he is second in assist on the team behind Grant..He had a 9 rebound game the game prior..His defense doesn't look like much but it what the Knick commentators are raving about...He leads the team in scoring and the Knicks have won every game..His impact is negligible??? Bro are you watching these games or just pulling shiit out your, you know what???

you lack perspective and don't see things outside the context once again....

i said i do not see an efficient player out there when it comes to the triangle. have you see much triangle in sl? he'll be fine in a bench role outside of the triangle. i am saying when i see him play i see a lot of energy but it isn't a team-oriented energy, meaning when it comes to working his game through the triangle offense i just don't see it. he's also taking too many shots at the expense of trying to be a playmaker.

as always i hope to be proven wrong but come the regular season please remember this exchange.

I did see a lot of triangle sets (at least I think I did)

They are running a lot of triangle sets they just get into it differently. Each game has showcased different ways the triangle can be run. They coaches are tinkering with new sets and trying to create fluidity.

Personally, I take what I see from second year players i SL with a grain of salt. However, It is possible Early can become an efficient player in the triangle offense because it helps hide his lack of dribbling skills. All he has to do is become a good screener, cutter, finisher, and spot up shooter. If Early can become a legit NBA defender he might be able to stay in this league.


I actually think Early is more confident in his dribble drive now. With him it's mostly about confidence. He's playing with confidence and that's making him faster and more aggressive. He's showing just enough handles to get the job done. He doesn't have to be Curly Neal with the ball.

As you say this system helps to a guy like Early so that he's not forced to have to dribble to create scoring opportunities all the time. He just needs to be able to do it a few times a game, which I think he's capable of doing.

Forgotten man C Early

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