thetruth wrote:

meloanyk wrote:Solid offseason, put us on the right track to win 35 plus games and left us with enuff flexibilty to lure a first tier fa to join Melo and a ascending KP. Like Lopez and Quinn as defensive anchors and think so will other players who may begin to look our way

Solid as in Knicks got nice guys that don't produce? Funny how everyone keeps saying O'Quinn was such a good pick up? Why? because he is a nice guy. I suggest you look at game logs and see how he is such a good pick up for $4Mil. Picking up a big bust like Williams for $5?...and people hated Bargnani for not living up to draft pick. As for luring. I have a secret for you.... No one like to play in the triangle.. no one. So as long as Phil is here get use to signing second tier guys for top dollar. And having Phil claim they are the perfect fit.

It doesn't matter what other players feel about the Triangle or not. Phil is building this team with his own players anyway. The guys he brought in WANTED to be here.

As for our FA signings not producing, that's where you have to do more research than just a quick glance at the per game stats. Phil went for players that do the very things this team needs. We needed tough defenders and rebounders. We needed Team Oriented guys who have good BB IQ. Overall most of our needs have been met.

Also focusing on just the FA signings misses a huge part of this rebuilding process coming from the Draft and UDFA's. Those young players have a lot of potential and we need time to allow these players to mature. Doubters and the Media won't be laughing if we see these kids show the talent they have. We have to allow them a chance to actually play before we kick dirt on the young talent we have.

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

you wanted phil to kowtow to melo's "game." his drafting of porzingis is evidence that phil does not believe he can build a title winner with melo here. why is this a problem for you? you should be looking forward to winning a title later than never.

jackson made it clear that he serves the knicks, and the knicks fans. melo got his money so now he must be a good employee or ask to be traded....

you need players that fit together, are capable of learning a system, and who are high-character young men. when he got here he had virtually none of that and now only melo remains, and melo is doing his usual bull**** isolation passive/aggressive nonsense.

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

His Per 36 is 8.6 rebounds. Given that his MPG have fluctuated over his career, this is a much more relevant stat. I do also realize that you have an Anti Phil agenda and will only bring up stats that support this.

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

His Per 36 is 8.6 rebounds. Given that his MPG have fluctuated over his career, this is a much more relevant stat. I do also realize that you have an Anti Phil agenda and will only bring up stats that support this.

All minutes aren't equal..I actually have a Pro-Knicks agenda..If that conflicts with your Pro-Phil agenda then it is what it is...

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The players signed were designed to be placed around 2 stars. Lopez and Afflalo are top-tier role players and O'Quinn and Williams are secondary role players who offer some upside still based on their age. This also shows the faith in KP. Melo and KP are those 2 stars. As Melo begins to decline in the coming years, hopefully KP will come into his own, and be ready for a big time role. There should be a window of a couple of years where Melo is still a near-all-star scorer in less minutes and usage and KP is entering his early star years. This will probably be years 3 and 4 if we consider this year 1. That is hopefully a window this team can do some real damage in the playoffs, and maybe have some luck along the way as well with the development of some of our other young guys.

These two role players were logging major minutes on the bench in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...RoLo stats for the 5 playoffs games in 2015..23 mins..5 pts, 4 rebs....Aflalo stats in 3 games...20 mins FG 17%, 2 rebs, 0.7 asst, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1.7 pts...Let's hope Aflalo was hurt...

I'm going to reserve my opinion on Lopez. I want to see how he looks in this system. Maybe he develops into something more than an expensive role player. Maybe we will be pulling our hair out and wondering why we signed this guy for 4 years at $13.5mil per. I was very much against signing Lopez. He is just too slow and hard to watch but hopefully he does have superior basketball IQ and fits in and becomes a leader

So that is where I stand on Lopez. I don't want to see someone bring up this thread in a year and look like a complete moron like the people who support every move ie the trade for Andrea Bargnani for our 2016 1st.

I love the other moves: Drafting KP & signing Affalo, DW & KO

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The players signed were designed to be placed around 2 stars. Lopez and Afflalo are top-tier role players and O'Quinn and Williams are secondary role players who offer some upside still based on their age. This also shows the faith in KP. Melo and KP are those 2 stars. As Melo begins to decline in the coming years, hopefully KP will come into his own, and be ready for a big time role. There should be a window of a couple of years where Melo is still a near-all-star scorer in less minutes and usage and KP is entering his early star years. This will probably be years 3 and 4 if we consider this year 1. That is hopefully a window this team can do some real damage in the playoffs, and maybe have some luck along the way as well with the development of some of our other young guys.

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dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

you wanted phil to kowtow to melo's "game." his drafting of porzingis is evidence that phil does not believe he can build a title winner with melo here. why is this a problem for you? you should be looking forward to winning a title later than never.

jackson made it clear that he serves the knicks, and the knicks fans. melo got his money so now he must be a good employee or ask to be traded....

you need players that fit together, are capable of learning a system, and who are high-character young men. when he got here he had virtually none of that and now only melo remains, and melo is doing his usual bull**** isolation passive/aggressive nonsense.

I know how you value playoffs performance to evaluate players or might be just to evaluate one particular player..Have you looked at our new acquisitions recent playoff performances and are there any thoughts?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

you wanted phil to kowtow to melo's "game." his drafting of porzingis is evidence that phil does not believe he can build a title winner with melo here. why is this a problem for you? you should be looking forward to winning a title later than never.

jackson made it clear that he serves the knicks, and the knicks fans. melo got his money so now he must be a good employee or ask to be traded....

you need players that fit together, are capable of learning a system, and who are high-character young men. when he got here he had virtually none of that and now only melo remains, and melo is doing his usual bull**** isolation passive/aggressive nonsense.

I know how you value playoffs performance to evaluate players or might be just to evaluate one particular player..Have you looked at our new acquisitions recent playoff performances and are there any thoughts?

i don't like lilliard much at all and i think it was good that aldridge saw the light and is going to learn how to refine and tighten up his game under the proper mentoring and coaching on another team. but i understand you always put the burden of failure on the "supporting cast." fits right in with your slavish devotion to a grandiose primadonna.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

you wanted phil to kowtow to melo's "game." his drafting of porzingis is evidence that phil does not believe he can build a title winner with melo here. why is this a problem for you? you should be looking forward to winning a title later than never.

jackson made it clear that he serves the knicks, and the knicks fans. melo got his money so now he must be a good employee or ask to be traded....

you need players that fit together, are capable of learning a system, and who are high-character young men. when he got here he had virtually none of that and now only melo remains, and melo is doing his usual bull**** isolation passive/aggressive nonsense.

I know how you value playoffs performance to evaluate players or might be just to evaluate one particular player..Have you looked at our new acquisitions recent playoff performances and are there any thoughts?

i don't like lilliard much at all and i think it was good that aldridge saw the light and is going to learn how to refine and tighten up his game under the proper mentoring and coaching on another team. but i understand you always put the burden of failure on the "supporting cast." fits right in with your slavish devotion to a grandiose primadonna.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The players signed were designed to be placed around 2 stars. Lopez and Afflalo are top-tier role players and O'Quinn and Williams are secondary role players who offer some upside still based on their age. This also shows the faith in KP. Melo and KP are those 2 stars. As Melo begins to decline in the coming years, hopefully KP will come into his own, and be ready for a big time role. There should be a window of a couple of years where Melo is still a near-all-star scorer in less minutes and usage and KP is entering his early star years. This will probably be years 3 and 4 if we consider this year 1. That is hopefully a window this team can do some real damage in the playoffs, and maybe have some luck along the way as well with the development of some of our other young guys.

These two role players were logging major minutes on the bench in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...RoLo stats for the 5 playoffs games in 2015..23 mins..5 pts, 4 rebs....Aflalo stats in 3 games...20 mins FG 17%, 2 rebs, 0.7 asst, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1.7 pts...Let's hope Aflalo was hurt...

I'm going to reserve my opinion on Lopez. I want to see how he looks in this system. Maybe he develops into something more than an expensive role player. Maybe we will be pulling our hair out and wondering why we signed this guy for 4 years at $13.5mil per. I was very much against signing Lopez. He is just too slow and hard to watch but hopefully he does have superior basketball IQ and fits in and becomes a leader

So that is where I stand on Lopez. I don't want to see someone bring up this thread in a year and look like a complete moron like the people who support every move ie the trade for Andrea Bargnani for our 2016 1st.

I love the other moves: Drafting KP & signing Affalo, DW & KO

The scary thing is that Lopez today is not better than Tyson today...

What's the point of comparing Tyson and Lopez? It's not about one player directly compared to another. Have you paid NO attention to what's going on around this team? It's gonna be about how the TEAM as a hole performs. We've done enough of this BS with the players we had not really sacrificing for the team. Let's try doing this with a team full of players that want to be here and will sacrifice for the team and Go hard for the Team for a change. You can see the attitude of the SL team is already much more about camaraderie, sharing and team effort. Who wants to go back to the old way of doing things?

One thing has nothing to do with the other..Tyson is a team player..He is also better than Lopez..