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7/12/2004  8:51 PM
I'm happy about the fact that according to reports, *the Cavs approached the Knicks* about this trade
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7/12/2004  9:11 PM
You cannot figure this deal out on RealGM's tradechecker because it's going to be a SIGN AND TRADE. Meaning, Crawford will have a new, bigger contract that doesn't compute into the formula you're using.

Apparently ESPN Radio just said on the Jim Rome show the Knicks and Bulls are once again close to doing a 9-player deal. It's gotta be Mutumbo, Harrington, Trybanski, Williams, and Anderson for Crawford, JYD, Robinson, and Jeffries I'd imagine.

Unless Moochie is going in the deal for Ilgauskas, I'll just throw him in here and raise Crawford's contract a few mil. I see no point in keeping him on the team when you can have Andre Barret, a better player, for 1/10th the price.
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7/12/2004  9:14 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I think that there are a couple things that are going on with this....KT and Mutumbo do not add up to Z's contract.

New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.0 minutes)
New York receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -1.4 ppg, -6.9 rpg, and -0.9 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Cleveland receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 65 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.4 ppg, +6.9 rpg, and +0.9 apg.

TRADE DECLINED

Due to Cleveland and New York being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland and New York had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only Cleveland met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

On the other hand..the principles with Eddie Robinson going to Cleveland (I had to use it as a 3 team trade....)

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.1 ppg, 0.1 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.1 minutes)
PG Frank Williams (3.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 12.8 minutes)
New York receives: PF Jerome Williams (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.1 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (17.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 35.1 minutes)
C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

Chicago trades: SF Eddie Robinson (6.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.1 minutes)
PF Jerome Williams (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.1 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (17.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 35.1 minutes)
Chicago receives: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 80 games)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 66 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 56 games)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.1 ppg, 0.1 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7 games)
PG Frank Williams (3.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: -10.2 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -1.3 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Cleveland receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
SF Eddie Robinson (6.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 51 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

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[Edited by - joec32033 on 07/12/2004 18:36:35]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 07/12/2004 18:37:17]

I don't know if they add up to his contract, but I think it would be KT, Deke and Nazr.
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7/12/2004  10:53 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

You cannot figure this deal out on RealGM's tradechecker because it's going to be a SIGN AND TRADE. Meaning, Crawford will have a new, bigger contract that doesn't compute into the formula you're using.

Apparently ESPN Radio just said on the Jim Rome show the Knicks and Bulls are once again close to doing a 9-player deal. It's gotta be Mutumbo, Harrington, Trybanski, Williams, and Anderson for Crawford, JYD, Robinson, and Jeffries I'd imagine.

Unless Moochie is going in the deal for Ilgauskas, I'll just throw him in here and raise Crawford's contract a few mil. I see no point in keeping him on the team when you can have Andre Barret, a better player, for 1/10th the price.

I did take that into consideration......here's the thing...I am basing it on the reporets I hear...meaning it will work because these are the players the teams are discussing. Also, the only thing the Crawford trade and the Z trade have in common is Eddie Robinson...As long as we get Eddie, this trade is still valid. Eddie Robinson and KT...like I said, what JC signs for has no effect on the Cavaliers cap, so it can be speculated. I also said It probably won't be a 3 team deal, this was just so I can include the principles (can't try this trade without Eddie going to the Cavs and Z coming to the Knicks, which is why I had to do it this way...)
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