Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

Just to add to that:
To make up for the tax difference, we'd have to pay him 82 mil and it would match the 80 mil in Dallas.
When I go to CNN's cost of living calculators, I find that to match the 80 mil that Dallas offered, we'd have to pay him closer to 200 mil.

CrushAlot wrote:Gottlieb saying Jordan probably nets positive on Mavs deal vs Clips because of no state income tax.

and if thats true, it is messed up.

mreinman wrote:Were they in that much better shape starting the free agent process?

Do we still think that Texas does not seem more attractive than NY?

I understand that Jordan was from there but many players are from the NY area and that does not seem to pull them back here.

Wes Mathews was a great signing.

Lin would be a good get.

It's just down to players personal preferences. They failed to land any major target a couple of seasons ago. This year they got lucky because DJ is from Texas and they could offer him the prime scoring role he wanted. Wes Mathews is a western guy, never had any interest in coming here. His choice was between Kings and Mavs- is it any wonder he chose Mavs?

I don't get all this hype about smaller markets suddenly becoming more attractive- nothing new has happened, even the big three went to Miami.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Don't discount general hatred NY fans have for their top players..Ewing hate, Melo hate..

Jeter, Eli, Clyde, etc ... you need to win here.

Mattingly was loved without winning but that may have been because he was not a self centered jerk.

Ewing had a lot of people who did not like him but he deserved better. Part of the issue was that he had a terrible personality and hating sharing the rock. NY is too smart for excuses.

JR, Shump, Tyson. etc...I think we saw an article where Billups said it casually to Melo after being traded to NY..

You get killed here if you are part of a losing team

Odds are that you are going to lose..

not even talking about losing ... c'mon

I am talking about stinking

Mattingly never won. He did not even make the playoffs until the bitter end.

Ewing didn't stink..Well the perception is out there that fans will hate..

Ewing was not hated.

I stated what the issues that fans had with him.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:Were they in that much better shape starting the free agent process?

Do we still think that Texas does not seem more attractive than NY?

I understand that Jordan was from there but many players are from the NY area and that does not seem to pull them back here.

Wes Mathews was a great signing.

Lin would be a good get.

Money money money no tax! Also Jordan is from Texas, Mathews is as well... They have a very proactive owner and a legend in dirk ... Dallas is a gross city with bad food but if your from Texas, home is where the heart is ... When we get in the playoffs we'll be very attractive to top free agents .

This and Chandler Parsons. Parsons seems to be an incredible recruiter. Also, as a second year player he was the team captain on the Rockets.

thats true. Parsons seems to have players that really want to play with him.

He sucks up to the big players- we all know that type of person!

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

Just to add to that:
To make up for the tax difference, we'd have to pay him 82 mil and it would match the 80 mil in Dallas.
When I go to CNN's cost of living calculators, I find that to match the 80 mil that Dallas offered, we'd have to pay him closer to 200 mil.

If he lived in nyc with state and city income taxes he would be paying a little over 12% annually on 20 mil. Not sure how that turns into 2 million over the life if his contract. Some have suggested that the tax is only for games played in nyc. That is still a little over 1 mil annually. Can you explain your math?

I was also factoring in the federal income tax deduction but it's not clear if the money in state taxes would qualify for a federal income tax deduction. (I late replied saying that I thought it might potentially be closer to $5 mil than 2 mil.)

I think 5 mil might be about right. That is a signicant advantage in my opinion.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Don't discount general hatred NY fans have for their top players..Ewing hate, Melo hate..

Jeter, Eli, Clyde, etc ... you need to win here.

Mattingly was loved without winning but that may have been because he was not a self centered jerk.

Ewing had a lot of people who did not like him but he deserved better. Part of the issue was that he had a terrible personality and hating sharing the rock. NY is too smart for excuses.

JR, Shump, Tyson. etc...I think we saw an article where Billups said it casually to Melo after being traded to NY..

You get killed here if you are part of a losing team

Odds are that you are going to lose..

not even talking about losing ... c'mon

I am talking about stinking

Mattingly never won. He did not even make the playoffs until the bitter end.

Ewing didn't stink..Well the perception is out there that fans will hate..

Ewing was not hated.

I stated what the issues that fans had with him.

Ewing was hated..NY Post backpage said "Good Riddance" after he was traded..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Don't discount general hatred NY fans have for their top players..Ewing hate, Melo hate..

Jeter, Eli, Clyde, etc ... you need to win here.

Mattingly was loved without winning but that may have been because he was not a self centered jerk.

Ewing had a lot of people who did not like him but he deserved better. Part of the issue was that he had a terrible personality and hating sharing the rock. NY is too smart for excuses.

JR, Shump, Tyson. etc...I think we saw an article where Billups said it casually to Melo after being traded to NY..

You get killed here if you are part of a losing team

Odds are that you are going to lose..

not even talking about losing ... c'mon

I am talking about stinking

Mattingly never won. He did not even make the playoffs until the bitter end.

Ewing didn't stink..Well the perception is out there that fans will hate..

Ewing was not hated.

I stated what the issues that fans had with him.

Ewing was hated..NY Post backpage said "Good Riddance" after he was traded..

thats because it did not end well.

Do you still see ewing hate in NY?

People definitely did not like that he was selfish. He had a big heart and always gave it his all.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

Just to add to that:
To make up for the tax difference, we'd have to pay him 82 mil and it would match the 80 mil in Dallas.
When I go to CNN's cost of living calculators, I find that to match the 80 mil that Dallas offered, we'd have to pay him closer to 200 mil.

If he lived in nyc with state and city income taxes he would be paying a little over 12% annually on 20 mil. Not sure how that turns into 2 million over the life if his contract. Some have suggested that the tax is only for games played in nyc. That is still a little over 1 mil annually. Can you explain your math?

I was also factoring in the federal income tax deduction but it's not clear if the money in state taxes would qualify for a federal income tax deduction. (I late replied saying that I thought it might potentially be closer to $5 mil than 2 mil.)

I think 5 mil might be about right. That is a signicant advantage in my opinion.

Sure, NYC also offers some advantages over Dallas. It's up to politicians to change the tax rate if their city is losing valuable employees or up to organizations to convince job candidates that they get something valuable for that money.

The is really a league issue as opposed to a federal or state issue. The league is creating an unfair advantage for these teams and should address it. You can create salary cap tiers. It's a rather easy fix.