dwiley20 wrote:Josh Smith...He still getting big bucks from the Pistons.....or try to get Lou Williams we need a scoring gaurd

I would love to get Lou Williams but we have no money for him or Josh Smith. All we have left is the 2.8 room and neither is gonna even think about taking that. Lou would be perfect for another scoring option though.

newyorker4ever wrote:

TPercy wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.

We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Who's our 3 SF's?? We have Melo and Early but i wouldn't count on Early being the backup to Melo and DW can play SF but that's not where he needs to be playing so is that the 3 you're talking about in Melo, Early and DW??

No Melo Thanasis and Early. Their clearly is intention for Thanasis to be signed whether you like him or not. Not only has his agent indicated that Phil plans on resigning him, but it would make Phil look like an idiot. He obtained Thanasis, convinced him to turn down a lucrative deal from overseas to play in the D league for piss poor wages to groom him in the triangle and develop him for next season. Why would Phil go through all that trouble not to resign him. Its not like we have any other options anyway.

BRIGGS wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:As muc as this may sound negative I'd sign Barganani. Barges used in a controlled way can be good player. I hope the Knicks don't forget this and he would be a priority to me to get back.

I was one of the bigger Bargs fans and once believed in him but it's obvious he kills chemistry and doesn't really give a **** about playing the game.

Be done with him and we will be better off. He's fools gold.

You are viewing Bargs as a main player. View him as a controlled minutes player who doesn't make 13 mm.

Agreed...Bargs would be a good addition at this point for low cost.

We need some scoring and he could provide a nice boost coming off the bench. Know the fans are upset with him but he would be a solid get at under $3MM.

TripleThreat wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Do we use the room or keep the cap cleaner for next season?

Other teams still have to maneuver and might end up with more than 15 contracts on their roster. In that case, esp in tax situations, teams might be friendly to give up a 2nd rounder or such to have the Knicks take a smallish contract off their hands.

Knicks should just stand pat and see how the rest of free agency and a few more trades work out. There might be some small opportunities to garner some future assets.

IMHO, unless you are contending, it's never a good idea to give up all your wiggle room. Open roster spots and little cap space at this point are not a bad thing.

We don't have wiggle room left this season other than the room exception. We are at the cap. It's about adding guaranteed salary for 2016-7 if we do a two year room deal.

use it in a trade for James Johnson, possibly sign or look to trade one of our players like Acy or/and another player?

if we can trade for James Johnson, doubt it will be enough for Wesley Johnson but would like him, and though Jeremy Evans for a 2year vet min was a great move for the risk/reward

DeMaRRe Carroll was in a similar situation before going to Atlanta with Millsap both on 2year deals which Carroll and Evans barely played
He was my under radar player for awhile that I hope we would sign, with his great length/athleticism at SF/PF

If we are seriously trying to contend, who will be defending Lebron, Paul George, Rose/Jimmy Butler, Giannes/Parker/Middleton and the Bucks, Battum, Derozan/Carroll etc...
There are way too many talented SF/PF's in todays NBA with guard skills and great size

We are also weak in 3pt shooting and shooting to spread the floor

We need multiple players that could draw double teams and penetrate finish and facilitate (only Grant)

Though we have multiple players that could post up, NONE are dominant players, are good enough to draw double teams consistently
Phil Jackson added too many ROLE PLAYERS as we need to upgrade our roster/talent, more importantly acquire the talent so we can execute the system and learn/grow which takes time, first we must accumulate the talent/roster to do so before we can "contend"

maybe CA who is recovering from surgery only when he is on the floor with KP to spread the floor with other shooters that could hit the 3pter, as KP will have to get stronger, unless in the SF to POST up consistently now

Think these 3 players would help from the D League

1- Jerrelle Benimon SF, SF/PF, strech 4, maybe a Lamor Odom type player as a triple double threat
2- Jarell Eddie, G/F, a Danny Green type talent on shooting
3- Scotty Hopson, G/F, another G/F that can shoot and score/penetrate/facilitate, decent versatile game as well

With Quin Cook, Aaron Harrison being UDFA's to target for guards

Finestrg wrote:Nothing official yet but I think we could be looking at the following as of right now:

Ovidijus Galdikas
Porzingis
Maurice Ndour
Jerian Grant
Galloway
Daniel Hackett
Early
Thanasis
Ledo
Labeyrie (is he a definite?)
Jordan Bachynski

Funny feeling we may see these guys too:

Orlando Sanchez
Doron Lamb
Andre Barrett

Wouldn't mind seeing some of the following guys to round it out:

Khem Birch
Jerrelle Benimon
Eric Griffin
Scotty Hopson
Dominique Jones
Orlando Johnson
Kevin Murphy
Jarell Eddie
DeQuan Jones
Curtis Jerrells
Rich Howell

Curtis Jerrells is a SCORING PG with great speed/quickness/ability to penetrate like a YOUNG JJ BAREA, and could anticipate for steals and stay in front of players at all times

Maybe a trade with Philly for players like

Jakarr Sampson
Covington
Grant's brother
Tony Wroten
Hollis Thompson

some 2nd rounders next year for a 1st rounder and a couple of talents above, as they have limited roster spots with many available players
For a couple of players on rookie scaled contracts it allows us to have room to spend elsewhere, Sampson could be just like Aminu but more athletic and more guard skills, but needs to work on his shot...

Would also give up another 1st rounder for

Shabazz Muhammad and the Euro that we wanted for SF/PF that just did the buyout, would take back Chase Budinger if needed
Though don't think Twolves would do this as, at least not if we throw in Calderon...

So unless it is for a player of NO EXPERIENCE or 1year experience at best, it wouldn't do much by splitting it

I think we need to upgrade our roster with YOUNG DEFENDERS and SCORERS so we can build chemistry and learn/execute the system
Basically using 2 1st rounders, 1 to each team, and the other 2nd rounders to dump Calderon, upgrade our roster, and add YOUNG talents with defenders in order to possibly contend and continue to build for our future...

Shabazz Muhammad would be the #2 scorer instantly, that could get to the rim and post up, along with the EURO as a solid SF/PF

Tony Wroten, Jakarr Sampson, and Covington or Grant or Hollis Thompson

Wroten would give us another PG/SG that could penetrate/facilitate/finish with contact

Jakarr Sampson's upside is Aminu, with great athleticism/length and guard skills, that could block shots and is versatile to defend multiple positions as well
Covington/Hollis Thompson could both shoot and has good size/versatility, though I would prefer Covington

Such moves would solidify our roster and if we could add James Johnson and Wesley Johnson, on top of that, I could see us building a roster that can execute the system and defend with youth
Though both Wroten and Muhammad would be gambles, they are coming off injuries but are both YOUNG, so we would not be able to add them with the other players with what we are giving up

We need severe upgrades on BOTH OFF and DEFENSE, with multiple players that could draw double teams with penetration and through the POST, and DEFENDERS with versatility
Using 2 future 1st rounders to entice a trade, as CA doesn't has many years in him before he will decline, so it buys time for both of our rookies to develop, especially KP who we do not want to get hurt as he will need to get stronger and play limited minutes, as Grant will also need some times before he can contribute consistently

NO RISK/NO REWARD, if we are not willing to take a risk, our upside is limited with just ROLE PLAYERS, which will not be enough...

meloanyk wrote:Need a three pt shooter off bench. Maybe Alan Anderson of Nets for $1.8 slot? Works on D and can hit from outside .Like Telovic as well as he can spread the floor and D hold his ground agaisnt bigs but he's restricted and problably get more than $2.8

WaltLongmire wrote:

TPercy wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TPercy wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.

We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/ricky-ledo/
Thanasis is going to be signed. Phil stated that and he should rightfully so be signed. Whats the point of keeping someone in the D League to learn the system and not sign him? I don't think Phil is that stupid. We have 12. Signing Lance means that Thanasis will play SG. Amundson should wait until Summer League is over..

Thansis is a serious ? he has proven nothing. He's a wait and see

Other than the fact that he is an uber athletic two way player. We need defense, aggression and penetration. Thanasis provides all of that.

Who's a two way player?? Thanasis?? Hahahaha he has a long way to go before his offense works for the NBA.

His shot does need work, but he is a good slasher and finisher at the rim. He rarely takes jumpers and 3s anyways which is fine by me.

Thanasis was probably drafted based on the assumption his offensive game would improve from his pre-draft DLeague season.

His shooting numbers were pretty terrible-everything took a dip. 3 Pt % dropped from 30% to 23%. FT % dropped from 66% to 62%, and his 2Pt % dropped from 57% to 52%.

He turns 23 in a few days.

I would love to see him show something in SL, but why you would be happy about him not taking any kinds of jumpers is beyond me. He does not take them because he's smart enough to know he can't make them. He does some good things on the court, but I think you need well-rounded players at this point in time, and Thanasis is an offensive liability.

I actually think Phil would prefer Lance Thomas over him at this point.

I could see his rights being traded to a team that might better use what he has to offer.

We BADLY lacked penetration last season. It is really annoying seeing our players take 16 feet+ jump shots all the time. Even though Thansis isn't that great of a shooter, at he always going to the rim and playing good defense. It is better than watching Thomas brick 16 footers.

TPercy wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

TPercy wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TPercy wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.

We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/ricky-ledo/
Thanasis is going to be signed. Phil stated that and he should rightfully so be signed. Whats the point of keeping someone in the D League to learn the system and not sign him? I don't think Phil is that stupid. We have 12. Signing Lance means that Thanasis will play SG. Amundson should wait until Summer League is over..

Thansis is a serious ? he has proven nothing. He's a wait and see

Other than the fact that he is an uber athletic two way player. We need defense, aggression and penetration. Thanasis provides all of that.

Who's a two way player?? Thanasis?? Hahahaha he has a long way to go before his offense works for the NBA.

His shot does need work, but he is a good slasher and finisher at the rim. He rarely takes jumpers and 3s anyways which is fine by me.

Thanasis was probably drafted based on the assumption his offensive game would improve from his pre-draft DLeague season.

His shooting numbers were pretty terrible-everything took a dip. 3 Pt % dropped from 30% to 23%. FT % dropped from 66% to 62%, and his 2Pt % dropped from 57% to 52%.

He turns 23 in a few days.

I would love to see him show something in SL, but why you would be happy about him not taking any kinds of jumpers is beyond me. He does not take them because he's smart enough to know he can't make them. He does some good things on the court, but I think you need well-rounded players at this point in time, and Thanasis is an offensive liability.

I actually think Phil would prefer Lance Thomas over him at this point.

I could see his rights being traded to a team that might better use what he has to offer.

We BADLY lacked penetration last season. It is really annoying seeing our players take 16 feet+ jump shots all the time. Even though Thansis isn't that great of a shooter, at he always going to the rim and playing good defense. It is better than watching Thomas brick 16 footers.

Maybe they should have simply signed him and thrown him to the wolves last season. At least we could have seen him up against NBA competition.

My gut feeling is that his window of opportunity with the Knicks may have closed, or is very close to being shut.