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smackeddog
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7/5/2015  10:43 AM
Williams is definitely the head scratcher - doesn't fit in with what we were doing- all the other players are good defenders, hard workers, high ball IQ's. He's none of that. He doesn't even do a anything on the offensive end to make up for it- he can't really shoot, only dunk. Just a bizarre signing.
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7/5/2015  10:47 AM
Lopez A

Getting a solid starting center, probably the best low post defender since KT was in his prime, to come to this trainwreck of a franchise deserves an A. Lopez was willing to walk away if the conditions weren't right, so it wasnt just a money grab.

Afflalo B+

Secondary scorer and reasonable defender. Not going to be the same he was.

Williams D

Head scratcher for sure. No idea what we did there.

OQ - A
We need a back up interior defender that will do all the dirty work.

Overall B/B+ range. On a team with this many needs overpaying for some over the hill "star" would have been exactly the wrong move. I did want DJ though but outside of that had no interest in the others.

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7/5/2015  11:12 AM
Ira wrote:Zinger - B Good gamble. He will put on some weight and will give us athleticism and outside shooting. The real test is can he learn to defend.
Grant - B+ A nice young pg with a good well rounded game. His passing is a big plus.
Hernangomez - I don't think he has what it takes to stick around in the nba.
Afflalo - B+ - Good veteram 2. Nice shot; good d, but short term rental.
Lopez - B - Good player, but overpaid.
Williams - D - I hope Phil knows something that we don't.
O'Quinn - A - Solid backup at a low price.

It was said that Hernangomez would have went in the first round this year if he could have been bought out.
Watch some video of him, yeah, he is not very athletic but a very smart player who can pass score and rebound.

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7/5/2015  12:07 PM
smackeddog wrote:Williams is definitely the head scratcher - doesn't fit in with what we were doing- all the other players are good defenders, hard workers, high ball IQ's. He's none of that. He doesn't even do a anything on the offensive end to make up for it- he can't really shoot, only dunk. Just a bizarre signing.

The thing about Derrick is he is very effective without the ball on offense. This is a huge plus in the Triangle. You don't want guys that have to dribble a lot just to get a score. You want a guy that moves well without the ball and can score on catch and shoot or slash to the basket. These are major strengths for Derrick.
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7/5/2015  1:25 PM
KP will eventually be the # 2 scorer but we don't have a legit #2 option
The development of KP and Grant will be important but to we cannot expect rookies to do that in their first year of the NBA
Hope we can sign Wesley Johnson and trade for James Johnson, maybe take a chance on Jeremy Evans as well

CA will need to be the #3 goto man if we are going to be contenders with him, with multiple GOOD/GREAT defenders in every other position or possibly even move CA to a role like Kukoc played which was very important for The Bulls


For Derrick Williams, I do not see why he should have leverage with a player option with the way he has played the last 2 seasons in the NBA
I do not see teams offering such a deal and Wesley Johnson should have a higher value than him along with even Gereld Green
I do believe that he would taken to room exemption and we could have use that space to sign Wesley Johnson to a 4year deal with a player option on 4th, or a 3year deal

More importantly Wesley Johnson played in the Triangle and could play 2-3 positions and defend 3-4 positions as needed, with his length/athleticism/ and physical abilities as a 1v1 defender and solid help defender
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7/5/2015  2:45 PM
RonRon wrote:KP will eventually be the # 2 scorer but we don't have a legit #2 option
The development of KP and Grant will be important but to we cannot expect rookies to do that in their first year of the NBA
Hope we can sign Wesley Johnson and trade for James Johnson, maybe take a chance on Jeremy Evans as well

CA will need to be the #3 goto man if we are going to be contenders with him, with multiple GOOD/GREAT defenders in every other position or possibly even move CA to a role like Kukoc played which was very important for The Bulls


For Derrick Williams, I do not see why he should have leverage with a player option with the way he has played the last 2 seasons in the NBA
I do not see teams offering such a deal and Wesley Johnson should have a higher value than him along with even Gereld Green
I do believe that he would taken to room exemption and we could have use that space to sign Wesley Johnson to a 4year deal with a player option on 4th, or a 3year deal

More importantly Wesley Johnson played in the Triangle and could play 2-3 positions and defend 3-4 positions as needed, with his length/athleticism/ and physical abilities as a 1v1 defender and solid help defender

I don't see any particular reason to try and bring in Wesley Johnson. He's 27 and only OK but nothing special about him that I can see. The reason for interest in Derrick is that he has a ton of upside. He's still only 24 and some of his strengths actually fit the Triangle, so there's a chance he could fit really well in this offense. I don't like that he hasn't really given max effort which is a major concern, but perhaps he's just been misused and that could have depressed his enthusiasm. It's an admitted risk, but Phil has had success with guys that hadn't played up to their potential.

At this point I think Phil is gonna focus on bringing back some of the players we had last year who played well. Jason, Lance, Lou and maybe Shved.
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7/5/2015  4:34 PM
I think Wesley Johnson's DEFENSE/VERSATILITY to play SG to PF (vs BIG SF's) would be an asset for us, and on switched could even defend PG's on PnR's if needed
In Dantoni's offense, he played PF over Pau Gasol, and had some good shooting days playing OFF the ball with the quickness/advantage he had, while playing SG/SF last season for The Lakers/Russell as their Head Coach...

He can post up with his length when smaller guards defend him and use shoot over them, like Brewer and Derrick William, he played in the Triangle with the Twolves
I think he could also help mentor Thanasis who both have similar skills/weakness's/physical strengths/ and could give him good advice on how to use his strengths/hide his weakness's to help THanasis reach his ceiling and what to do in work outs in the gym as well....


Honestly, IMO, Derrick William's should be taking the ROOM EXEMPTION, Williams is a tweener, and Wesley Johnson is more of G/F, should have signed a multiyear deal for us..
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7/7/2015  9:50 AM
It is possible that Phil doesn't want all bets to be safe and wants to bet large on a possible surprise. Maybe thats why Williams was signed?
Just throwing that out there as possibility
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7/7/2015  10:14 AM
KP - B
Grant - A
Hernangomez - B+
Afflalo - B+
Lopez - A-
Williams - C
O'Quinn - B+

Phil overall offseason - B
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7/7/2015  10:28 AM
he's going to get a incomplete from me, come the end of training camp, then i'll grade him.

I know one thing, he needs to be more hands on, this staying away and not traveling with team, and going to practice, is not going to cut

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7/7/2015  10:40 AM
Grant (A)
-to exchange a streaky shooter with no idea how to defend for a tougher guard that can lead and get to the rim was a masterful stroke. And you get a guy on a rookie deal for 2 more years, which is very important
Zinger (incomplete)
-to early to tell, is he injured, can he play? Yia Jianlian looked equally as good in a solo workout and they look like similiar players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwMmG7pJYRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyADXpenxzU
Affalo (B+)
-very reasonable deal does everything well, but nothing great and is a professional. Opt out makes him very tradeable at the deadline
Lopez (B)
-exactly what we need, but would have been great to get him at $11.5MM, will be a solid anchor to the defense and do the little things
O'Quinn (B+)
-young grinder with upside on a reasonable deal, provides good bench depth
Williams (D)
-doesn't have a real position, doesn't love the game, just another guy that can dunk with little to no motor. phil should have waited for Brandon Bass or Caron Butler and split th money btw them

Phil (B)

Knicks Strategy Department (F)
- If you're going to tank the season, force us to watch a CBA roster embarrass themselves, perhaps you can tell you coach under no circumstances do we win our last three games. We get the #1 pick, a franchise big man on a reasonable deal and have a tremendous amount of leverage in free agency and a franchise with a real future percieved by free agents
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7/7/2015  10:45 AM
If we drafted a hurt player at 4 and it sustains than this whole thing is an F.
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7/7/2015  10:45 AM
MS wrote:Grant (A)
-to exchange a streaky shooter with no idea how to defend for a tougher guard that can lead and get to the rim was a masterful stroke. And you get a guy on a rookie deal for 2 more years, which is very important
Zinger (incomplete)
-to early to tell, is he injured, can he play? Yia Jianlian looked equally as good in a solo workout and they look like similiar players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwMmG7pJYRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyADXpenxzU
Affalo (B+)
-very reasonable deal does everything well, but nothing great and is a professional. Opt out makes him very tradeable at the deadline
Lopez (B)
-exactly what we need, but would have been great to get him at $11.5MM, will be a solid anchor to the defense and do the little things
O'Quinn (B+)
-young grinder with upside on a reasonable deal, provides good bench depth
Williams (D)
-doesn't have a real position, doesn't love the game, just another guy that can dunk with little to no motor. phil should have waited for Brandon Bass or Caron Butler and split th money btw them

Phil (B)

Knicks Strategy Department (F)
- If you're going to tank the season, force us to watch a CBA roster embarrass themselves, perhaps you can tell you coach under no circumstances do we win our last three games. We get the #1 pick, a franchise big man on a reasonable deal and have a tremendous amount of leverage in free agency and a franchise with a real future percieved by free agents

at best, we only had a 25% chance at the number one pick.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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