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dk7th
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7/4/2015  2:45 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

no point in talking about this issue as this is the bed carmelo anthiny has made for himself. he could have waited for free agency in 2011 and gone anywhere he wanted, even if it meant being a half-season rental someplace other than new york.

again in 2014 he could have gone anywhere he wanted but decided to stay here to make the most money possible and to continue to <snort> "build his brand," a-hole that he is.

but please go ahead and bitch about taxes in nyc, nys and irs as a viable pretext for the usual misdirection.

or instead you could actually face facts: it isn't the tax issue that is keeping free agents from coming to the knicks, it's the fact that melo is a criminally overpaid one-way player with no leadership skill, who is impossible to build a winner around or even with. he's on the wrong side of thirty, has shoulder and knee issues, and a dinosaur game of volume shooting and isolation play.

i have told you for months on end that no free agent of any stature-- lopez and afflalo?!?-- is coming here to play with carmelo anthiny and now it has come to fruition.


Ahole definition - guy who calls his teams superstar an ahole for making lots of money and expamding his brand. Ie. Bexoming a businessman. All based on the fact that suoerstat makes more mony in 10 minutes than he does ppating over 25k posts in said fan forum. Sidebar, lives in a one bedroom apartment with his mom.

Big talk from such an accomplished individual and known basketball man. I sure hope your not a Knick fan but a troll. If you are we will call you chicken little. Cuz it's seems like your the one bitchin about everything.

given your username there is no point in attempting a rational discussion with you until you take melo's jock out of your mouth. you can read what he himself said until then: "“From a basketball standpoint it probably would’ve been maybe the greatest thing to do, but for me personally I wouldn’t have felt right with myself,” Anthony said, “knowing that I wanted to come here, I kind of forced my way here to New York and I have some unfinished business to take care of.”

unbelievably, he claims that he wants to remain in new york to take care of unfinished business instead of go elsewhere to a winning situation, all while getting a supermax deal with a no trade clause and a 17 million dollar trade kicker.

when has this idiot ever put the knicks first?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/4/2015  2:45 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Makes no sense. So now your saying he doesnt take it upon himself in a team sport? The thing he gets criticized for soimg too often. Umm no. It takes more than one guy. You need a scorer who creates double teams. Melo one of the best. You need solid role players, consistent shooters and solid team defenders. None of which we have had. Name one player that surrounded by same cast would of done any better? How did LeBron do once Irving and Love out? Seem to forget when we won 54 games and we're one game from east finals he did okay with decent players around him. But last year's squad? You needed super hero as you said. Dream much? Like I said, we hopefully will build a better cast of players with specific roles, with Phil in charge. But not an overnight process as most impatient fans believe.

Stop being an apologist for Melo and accept the statement that he has to be a leader. It's not a criticism, it's a fact. He did well when he had other veteran presence with him and two PGs one the floor. Kidd had a palpable presence on that team.

But rather than talking about wins from two or ten years ago, what can he do now? What has he done for me lately?

I'm saying I am glad he got paid. I am delighted he is here. But, it's time to be the leader and not a one dimensional player. Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. But if he thinks that leadership is evidenced by his offense, it is not. He is talented there. Yes. But he has to lead on defense also. The SF position is rife with talented folks. Show some vocal leadership on D.

Personally, I don't think he will. I think he will have his agent ask for a trade before February. That's fine too. But if he stays, he must lead.

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7/4/2015  3:01 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Can Melo change the fact that NY is offering less money? Can he get the media to back off for ayers who aren't interested in dealing with it? It is a cool story that you put together but these are the real issues.

Offering less money than who? Why would any player take less money when Melo took the max? I'm not against Melo, but he needs to step up. Saying things like 'Zinger can be my spot up shooter' makes him sound like a dope. Still, I am fine with him acting like that if he backs it up. You want Zinger to be your spot up shooter...fine, then lead. Start by playing defense.

As for the media, just another excuse. Perform and you are a god. Sniffle and sneeze and you will be crucified. You want to be Derek Jeter? Act like it.

I don't think u get it, but if we offer the max it is less than other teams offering the same deal. We are only in a position to offer around a net match it it's for retaining our own player. Clips had same situation with Jordan. I take it math isn't a strong subject for you.

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7/4/2015  3:20 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:This isn't specific to Melo. It's true for every person that lives and works in a non tax free state.
Melo should be ecstatic if he nets the same money as Lebron because he deserves much much less. He isn't even on the same planet as Kebron as a basketball player.

I am so tired people making excuses for him.

It's not an excuse for him. It is not a one guy issue. Man u guys are unbelievable.

Ok then why are we discussing NY tax rules in a thread about what Melo should do this season?

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7/4/2015  3:27 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:This isn't specific to Melo. It's true for every person that lives and works in a non tax free state.
Melo should be ecstatic if he nets the same money as Lebron because he deserves much much less. He isn't even on the same planet as Kebron as a basketball player.

I am so tired people making excuses for him.

It's not an excuse for him. It is not a one guy issue. Man u guys are unbelievable.

Ok then why are we discussing NY tax rules in a thread about what Melo should do this season?

Cause inevitability this turned into a thread about it being Melo's fault which is outrageous. Ideally we'd be in position to trade him and I'm.sure he would be okay with that but we have no pick so we get the fun and excitement of battling for the 8 seed. Yippee!

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7/4/2015  3:32 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Can Melo change the fact that NY is offering less money? Can he get the media to back off for ayers who aren't interested in dealing with it? It is a cool story that you put together but these are the real issues.

Offering less money than who? Why would any player take less money when Melo took the max? I'm not against Melo, but he needs to step up. Saying things like 'Zinger can be my spot up shooter' makes him sound like a dope. Still, I am fine with him acting like that if he backs it up. You want Zinger to be your spot up shooter...fine, then lead. Start by playing defense.

As for the media, just another excuse. Perform and you are a god. Sniffle and sneeze and you will be crucified. You want to be Derek Jeter? Act like it.

I don't think u get it, but if we offer the max it is less than other teams offering the same deal. We are only in a position to offer around a net match it it's for retaining our own player. Clips had same situation with Jordan. I take it math isn't a strong subject for you.

So, how come other NY teams don't have this problem? It is an issue, but not dispositive. I'd play for the Yankees, except for the taxes? I know there is no max salary there, but still. People come to NY with matching offers elsewhere.

I have used the tax argument myself all over this board, but it is not dispositive. If the culture and infrastructure here was in place, players would come.

I'm saying, Melo has to step up. What's so wrong with that. You think he should just keep doing what he is doing?

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7/4/2015  3:41 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Can Melo change the fact that NY is offering less money? Can he get the media to back off for ayers who aren't interested in dealing with it? It is a cool story that you put together but these are the real issues.

Offering less money than who? Why would any player take less money when Melo took the max? I'm not against Melo, but he needs to step up. Saying things like 'Zinger can be my spot up shooter' makes him sound like a dope. Still, I am fine with him acting like that if he backs it up. You want Zinger to be your spot up shooter...fine, then lead. Start by playing defense.

As for the media, just another excuse. Perform and you are a god. Sniffle and sneeze and you will be crucified. You want to be Derek Jeter? Act like it.

I don't think u get it, but if we offer the max it is less than other teams offering the same deal. We are only in a position to offer around a net match it it's for retaining our own player. Clips had same situation with Jordan. I take it math isn't a strong subject for you.

So, how come other NY teams don't have this problem? It is an issue, but not dispositive. I'd play for the Yankees, except for the taxes? I know there is no max salary there, but still. People come to NY with matching offers elsewhere.

I have used the tax argument myself all over this board, but it is not dispositive. If the culture and infrastructure here was in place, players would come.

I'm saying, Melo has to step up. What's so wrong with that. You think he should just keep doing what he is doing?


The Nets have it. Thorn talked about when Kidd was a free agent and Dallas almost being able to make the identical offer to Kidd because of no state income tax. Different cba and different state but it is an unfair advantage.
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7/4/2015  3:42 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Can Melo change the fact that NY is offering less money? Can he get the media to back off for ayers who aren't interested in dealing with it? It is a cool story that you put together but these are the real issues.

Offering less money than who? Why would any player take less money when Melo took the max? I'm not against Melo, but he needs to step up. Saying things like 'Zinger can be my spot up shooter' makes him sound like a dope. Still, I am fine with him acting like that if he backs it up. You want Zinger to be your spot up shooter...fine, then lead. Start by playing defense.

As for the media, just another excuse. Perform and you are a god. Sniffle and sneeze and you will be crucified. You want to be Derek Jeter? Act like it.

I don't think u get it, but if we offer the max it is less than other teams offering the same deal. We are only in a position to offer around a net match it it's for retaining our own player. Clips had same situation with Jordan. I take it math isn't a strong subject for you.

So, how come other NY teams don't have this problem? It is an issue, but not dispositive. I'd play for the Yankees, except for the taxes? I know there is no max salary there, but still. People come to NY with matching offers elsewhere.

I have used the tax argument myself all over this board, but it is not dispositive. If the culture and infrastructure here was in place, players would come.

I'm saying, Melo has to step up. What's so wrong with that. You think he should just keep doing what he is doing?

That's fair, the Yanks a different though and their is no cap. They can choose to pay more. I do think it is becoming more and more of an issue in the NBA. Only Texas and Florida teams have been able to acquire multiple star level players through FA. Jordan and Matthews left contract money on the table and still netted out. It is an issue. I took some time off from the board bc everything was a Phil/Melo thread. If you brought it up and somebody disagreed with u they are obviously not following the league.

Does Melo need to do more as a player, sure. I think he made an effort last yr. He had some monster games where he had 25+pts and 10+ rebs. The effort to pass was there but we lacked shot makers. We've added a few but we really can't compete in FA and have no pick next yr. It is frustrating to me as a fan that we can't compete in FA under the current ruleset and don't have a mechanism to really improve the team.

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7/4/2015  4:20 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Makes no sense. So now your saying he doesnt take it upon himself in a team sport? The thing he gets criticized for soimg too often. Umm no. It takes more than one guy. You need a scorer who creates double teams. Melo one of the best. You need solid role players, consistent shooters and solid team defenders. None of which we have had. Name one player that surrounded by same cast would of done any better? How did LeBron do once Irving and Love out? Seem to forget when we won 54 games and we're one game from east finals he did okay with decent players around him. But last year's squad? You needed super hero as you said. Dream much? Like I said, we hopefully will build a better cast of players with specific roles, with Phil in charge. But not an overnight process as most impatient fans believe.

Stop being an apologist for Melo and accept the statement that he has to be a leader. It's not a criticism, it's a fact. He did well when he had other veteran presence with him and two PGs one the floor. Kidd had a palpable presence on that team.

But rather than talking about wins from two or ten years ago, what can he do now? What has he done for me lately?

I'm saying I am glad he got paid. I am delighted he is here. But, it's time to be the leader and not a one dimensional player. Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. But if he thinks that leadership is evidenced by his offense, it is not. He is talented there. Yes. But he has to lead on defense also. The SF position is rife with talented folks. Show some vocal leadership on D.

Personally, I don't think he will. I think he will have his agent ask for a trade before February. That's fine too. But if he stays, he must lead.

Not an apologists just don't like putting all the blame on your best player while ignoring obvious deficiencies. Agree being a leader is important. But how do you measure that? Wins? Think that would be unfair with a cast of players he can't win with? There are good leaders on non winning teams. Playing through injuries may have been one way to lead. Think you would have to ask the players. Calling someone a bad leader without experience in the group that is being led is unfair.

24 and 6 on a bum knee is lately.

Defense has improved and do agree it has to be more of a focus point. T
I just hope we are better this year. And will enjoy rooting for anyone wearing the Knick jersey, including Melo.

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7/4/2015  4:24 PM
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

no point in talking about this issue as this is the bed carmelo anthiny has made for himself. he could have waited for free agency in 2011 and gone anywhere he wanted, even if it meant being a half-season rental someplace other than new york.

again in 2014 he could have gone anywhere he wanted but decided to stay here to make the most money possible and to continue to <snort> "build his brand," a-hole that he is.

but please go ahead and bitch about taxes in nyc, nys and irs as a viable pretext for the usual misdirection.

or instead you could actually face facts: it isn't the tax issue that is keeping free agents from coming to the knicks, it's the fact that melo is a criminally overpaid one-way player with no leadership skill, who is impossible to build a winner around or even with. he's on the wrong side of thirty, has shoulder and knee issues, and a dinosaur game of volume shooting and isolation play.

i have told you for months on end that no free agent of any stature-- lopez and afflalo?!?-- is coming here to play with carmelo anthiny and now it has come to fruition.


Ahole definition - guy who calls his teams superstar an ahole for making lots of money and expamding his brand. Ie. Bexoming a businessman. All based on the fact that suoerstat makes more mony in 10 minutes than he does ppating over 25k posts in said fan forum. Sidebar, lives in a one bedroom apartment with his mom.

Big talk from such an accomplished individual and known basketball man. I sure hope your not a Knick fan but a troll. If you are we will call you chicken little. Cuz it's seems like your the one bitchin about everything.

given your username there is no point in attempting a rational discussion with you until you take melo's jock out of your mouth. you can read what he himself said until then: "“From a basketball standpoint it probably would’ve been maybe the greatest thing to do, but for me personally I wouldn’t have felt right with myself,” Anthony said, “knowing that I wanted to come here, I kind of forced my way here to New York and I have some unfinished business to take care of.”

unbelievably, he claims that he wants to remain in new york to take care of unfinished business instead of go elsewhere to a winning situation, all while getting a supermax deal with a no trade clause and a 17 million dollar trade kicker.

when has this idiot ever put the knicks first?

Ah you got me. The "old jock in my mouth" quote" this from a genius that concludes Redmen is a Syracuse reference. Forced meaning he held a gun to NY or instead demanded to get out of Mile high? Have you been there? Supermax? Yeah shame on him to be one of the elite players who worked all their lives to get to a level to garnish a max. I am sure your giving back some money at Dominos so the manager can hire another delivery guy. The nerve, while every other player in the league is rejecting max offers.

Please tell me how he should put the knicks first? Sign with the Bulls? Take 15M a year and watch guys like Lopez play next to him for 13.5? Maybe stay on the defensive side only because that's what is getting paid to do. Your just a hatter bro. All hatters are just guys with nothing going for themselves and need to put successful people down. Now get out and Be somebody! And yes, Root for your Knicks. Btw, Isn't their a limit of 5k posts a month? Happy 4th and Go Knicks.

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SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I takes this offseason as one of two things. 1) I get bitter and blame Phil Jackson for everything wrong in the world or 2) realize that my offense only game is not drawing teammates that want to be with Me.

Meaning, this is a crossroads. Melo can either force a trade to a team and be a supporting cast player or he can use this cast to develop a leadership role. Words mean nothing. Show leadership through defense. Not offense. Defense.

Amazing. No matter what the issues it always goes back to Melo. I would have agreed with you three years back. But watching Melo beat himself up with minutes, improve on defense and go through all the changes, got give him credit. And disagree, guys are looking at us only because of Melo and as apples to deciding not to come here because of him. You are right though, he should bolt. Should of signed a Lebron like contract with opt out and cashed in once TV money hit. And we would all be here hyping up all the misfits put together by a failing franchise. As every other player we have let go due to fan and media expectations and now thriving elsewhere. As we saw in Cleveland, even Lebron needs a big supporting cast. No ring with at least two more all stars on the team and solid role players. Name who you feel we have surrounded him with? And please don't say hobbled STAT or one dimensional Chandler. Our ridiculous attempt at big three. You need a good GM to put the right players together. And few would deny having a scorer like Melo on their team. Which I know Phil is doing. Just think it will take time and patience. Something fans or media don't have.

Everything does come back to Melo. It is absolutely on his shoulders. He's not some passive observer in this franchise. He's front and center with Fish and Jax. From every perspective, he needs to be more than 20 and 8 guy. He needs to be the team leader. There are a million reasons why it has nothing to do with. But the end of the day is that this is either his team or it's not. He got no superstar help. No all star said, I want to play in NY. so, he either needs to step up and take his game to superstar level or go be a sidekick. I'll give him every opportunity to step up, but it needs to be more than it has been. He has to make his teammates better. Or else.

Can Melo change the fact that NY is offering less money? Can he get the media to back off for ayers who aren't interested in dealing with it? It is a cool story that you put together but these are the real issues.

Offering less money than who? Why would any player take less money when Melo took the max? I'm not against Melo, but he needs to step up. Saying things like 'Zinger can be my spot up shooter' makes him sound like a dope. Still, I am fine with him acting like that if he backs it up. You want Zinger to be your spot up shooter...fine, then lead. Start by playing defense.

As for the media, just another excuse. Perform and you are a god. Sniffle and sneeze and you will be crucified. You want to be Derek Jeter? Act like it.

I don't think u get it, but if we offer the max it is less than other teams offering the same deal. We are only in a position to offer around a net match it it's for retaining our own player. Clips had same situation with Jordan. I take it math isn't a strong subject for you.

So, how come other NY teams don't have this problem? It is an issue, but not dispositive. I'd play for the Yankees, except for the taxes? I know there is no max salary there, but still. People come to NY with matching offers elsewhere.

I have used the tax argument myself all over this board, but it is not dispositive. If the culture and infrastructure here was in place, players would come.

I'm saying, Melo has to step up. What's so wrong with that. You think he should just keep doing what he is doing?

That's fair, the Yanks a different though and their is no cap. They can choose to pay more. I do think it is becoming more and more of an issue in the NBA. Only Texas and Florida teams have been able to acquire multiple star level players through FA. Jordan and Matthews left contract money on the table and still netted out. It is an issue. I took some time off from the board bc everything was a Phil/Melo thread. If you brought it up and somebody disagreed with u they are obviously not following the league.

Does Melo need to do more as a player, sure. I think he made an effort last yr. He had some monster games where he had 25+pts and 10+ rebs. The effort to pass was there but we lacked shot makers. We've added a few but we really can't compete in FA and have no pick next yr. It is frustrating to me as a fan that we can't compete in FA under the current ruleset and don't have a mechanism to really improve the team.

Everyone who wants Melo to do more want him to step up and be leader, be less selfish, be a team player, be there for his teammates and start thinking abiut what the Knucks need from him instead of what he needs for the Knicks and play defense.

Everyone defending Melo points to PPG and RPG and then explain why he never succeeded because of the teams he was on. This is like two completely parallel conversations with no overlap. No one cares if he had monster games we need more from him as a person, as a teammate and as a leader. And he had had more than sufficient opportunity to show that he could deliver on those concerns and has been a spectacular failure on ALL counts.

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7/4/2015  5:32 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

no point in talking about this issue as this is the bed carmelo anthiny has made for himself. he could have waited for free agency in 2011 and gone anywhere he wanted, even if it meant being a half-season rental someplace other than new york.

again in 2014 he could have gone anywhere he wanted but decided to stay here to make the most money possible and to continue to <snort> "build his brand," a-hole that he is.

but please go ahead and bitch about taxes in nyc, nys and irs as a viable pretext for the usual misdirection.

or instead you could actually face facts: it isn't the tax issue that is keeping free agents from coming to the knicks, it's the fact that melo is a criminally overpaid one-way player with no leadership skill, who is impossible to build a winner around or even with. he's on the wrong side of thirty, has shoulder and knee issues, and a dinosaur game of volume shooting and isolation play.

i have told you for months on end that no free agent of any stature-- lopez and afflalo?!?-- is coming here to play with carmelo anthiny and now it has come to fruition.


Ahole definition - guy who calls his teams superstar an ahole for making lots of money and expamding his brand. Ie. Bexoming a businessman. All based on the fact that suoerstat makes more mony in 10 minutes than he does ppating over 25k posts in said fan forum. Sidebar, lives in a one bedroom apartment with his mom.

Big talk from such an accomplished individual and known basketball man. I sure hope your not a Knick fan but a troll. If you are we will call you chicken little. Cuz it's seems like your the one bitchin about everything.

given your username there is no point in attempting a rational discussion with you until you take melo's jock out of your mouth. you can read what he himself said until then: "“From a basketball standpoint it probably would’ve been maybe the greatest thing to do, but for me personally I wouldn’t have felt right with myself,” Anthony said, “knowing that I wanted to come here, I kind of forced my way here to New York and I have some unfinished business to take care of.”

unbelievably, he claims that he wants to remain in new york to take care of unfinished business instead of go elsewhere to a winning situation, all while getting a supermax deal with a no trade clause and a 17 million dollar trade kicker.

when has this idiot ever put the knicks first?

Ah you got me. The "old jock in my mouth" quote" this from a genius that concludes Redmen is a Syracuse reference. Forced meaning he held a gun to NY or instead demanded to get out of Mile high? Have you been there? Supermax? Yeah shame on him to be one of the elite players who worked all their lives to get to a level to garnish a max. I am sure your giving back some money at Dominos so the manager can hire another delivery guy. The nerve, while every other player in the league is rejecting max offers.

Please tell me how he should put the knicks first? Sign with the Bulls? Take 15M a year and watch guys like Lopez play next to him for 13.5? Maybe stay on the defensive side only because that's what is getting paid to do. Your just a hatter bro. All hatters are just guys with nothing going for themselves and need to put successful people down. Now get out and Be somebody! And yes, Root for your Knicks. Btw, Isn't their a limit of 5k posts a month? Happy 4th and Go Knicks.

Red, you are hung up on posts, but if you look you have 20k posts due to an inside joke from the mods. Everyone got 20k posts except one dude. I been here 9 years and have 2500 real posts. Not just +1s and crap like that. That said, after like 3 days of being on the site, not sure you should be so critical of any other dude on here. Even if it's 5k posts per month, what of it?

Take a 1 and 1 contract and use cap flexibility to bring in other players. Or just play defense. Either works.

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7/4/2015  5:41 PM
Yeah, but you conspicuously have 0 ALBA posts. In ten years. How'd that happen?
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7/4/2015  5:43 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

I've made that argument several times to the disdain of this board. I suggest the players association allow a provision to create tax neutrality. Allow taxable states to offset the indifference by allowing additional non cap tax dollars be paid to those players.

12-13% annually is really significant when you are talking millions of dollars. Something needs to be done to level the playing field. That is a huge handicap when you negotiate with any free agent but more significant for max guys. That is what the knicks walk into every negotiation facing.

but after the jock tax and federal income tax deduction, it's only about a 3% difference. It's about $30K out of every $1 mil.
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7/4/2015  5:45 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

no point in talking about this issue as this is the bed carmelo anthiny has made for himself. he could have waited for free agency in 2011 and gone anywhere he wanted, even if it meant being a half-season rental someplace other than new york.

again in 2014 he could have gone anywhere he wanted but decided to stay here to make the most money possible and to continue to <snort> "build his brand," a-hole that he is.

but please go ahead and bitch about taxes in nyc, nys and irs as a viable pretext for the usual misdirection.

or instead you could actually face facts: it isn't the tax issue that is keeping free agents from coming to the knicks, it's the fact that melo is a criminally overpaid one-way player with no leadership skill, who is impossible to build a winner around or even with. he's on the wrong side of thirty, has shoulder and knee issues, and a dinosaur game of volume shooting and isolation play.

i have told you for months on end that no free agent of any stature-- lopez and afflalo?!?-- is coming here to play with carmelo anthiny and now it has come to fruition.

What big name free agents left their teams to go to states with state income tax?
Also, still waiting for the list of 27 and 8 bench guys.
Just wondering, why did you respond to the issue if there was no point in talking about it?

i didn't respond to your asinine tax issue. i see it as utterly irrelevant. i simply will continue to point out it isn't about the taxes here it is about the weird situation the knicks are in and will remain in until melo is shown the door....

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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Moonangie wrote:Yeah, but you conspicuously have 0 ALBA posts. In ten years. How'd that happen?

For real lol

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7/4/2015  5:57 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

no point in talking about this issue as this is the bed carmelo anthiny has made for himself. he could have waited for free agency in 2011 and gone anywhere he wanted, even if it meant being a half-season rental someplace other than new york.

again in 2014 he could have gone anywhere he wanted but decided to stay here to make the most money possible and to continue to <snort> "build his brand," a-hole that he is.

but please go ahead and bitch about taxes in nyc, nys and irs as a viable pretext for the usual misdirection.

or instead you could actually face facts: it isn't the tax issue that is keeping free agents from coming to the knicks, it's the fact that melo is a criminally overpaid one-way player with no leadership skill, who is impossible to build a winner around or even with. he's on the wrong side of thirty, has shoulder and knee issues, and a dinosaur game of volume shooting and isolation play.

i have told you for months on end that no free agent of any stature-- lopez and afflalo?!?-- is coming here to play with carmelo anthiny and now it has come to fruition.


Ahole definition - guy who calls his teams superstar an ahole for making lots of money and expamding his brand. Ie. Bexoming a businessman. All based on the fact that suoerstat makes more mony in 10 minutes than he does ppating over 25k posts in said fan forum. Sidebar, lives in a one bedroom apartment with his mom.

Big talk from such an accomplished individual and known basketball man. I sure hope your not a Knick fan but a troll. If you are we will call you chicken little. Cuz it's seems like your the one bitchin about everything.

given your username there is no point in attempting a rational discussion with you until you take melo's jock out of your mouth. you can read what he himself said until then: "“From a basketball standpoint it probably would’ve been maybe the greatest thing to do, but for me personally I wouldn’t have felt right with myself,” Anthony said, “knowing that I wanted to come here, I kind of forced my way here to New York and I have some unfinished business to take care of.”

unbelievably, he claims that he wants to remain in new york to take care of unfinished business instead of go elsewhere to a winning situation, all while getting a supermax deal with a no trade clause and a 17 million dollar trade kicker.

when has this idiot ever put the knicks first?

Ah you got me. The "old jock in my mouth" quote" this from a genius that concludes Redmen is a Syracuse reference. Forced meaning he held a gun to NY or instead demanded to get out of Mile high? Have you been there? Supermax? Yeah shame on him to be one of the elite players who worked all their lives to get to a level to garnish a max. I am sure your giving back some money at Dominos so the manager can hire another delivery guy. The nerve, while every other player in the league is rejecting max offers.

Please tell me how he should put the knicks first? Sign with the Bulls? Take 15M a year and watch guys like Lopez play next to him for 13.5? Maybe stay on the defensive side only because that's what is getting paid to do. Your just a hatter bro. All hatters are just guys with nothing going for themselves and need to put successful people down. Now get out and Be somebody! And yes, Root for your Knicks. Btw, Isn't their a limit of 5k posts a month? Happy 4th and Go Knicks.

you see where your number post number is? notice it begins at 20,000 which means 20027 = 27 posts by redmenballer. redmen, orangemen, it doesn't matter. you come on here personally attacking me, who has posted 6475 times in a little over three years, or 175 posts a month, 41 posts a week, 6 posts a day. at your rate-- unless you are banned which i would not rule out-- you will be posting at a greater rate than me in that same amount of time... and be none the wiser.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/4/2015  6:08 PM
My money is on Melo going to the Rockets in a 3 team trade that gets the knicks Picks and Youth.
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7/4/2015  6:10 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^ you are going to see the same movement from the high quality vets that take a vet mini deal. The state/city income tax discrepancy needs to be addressed by the league.

It absolutely needs to be addressed. I doubt it will though. Media makes up all these fairytale stories about pitches and fit, and playing for love/championships. One in a blue moon they will be like ohhh btw guy made 10 mil more going there. Smoke and mirrors and most fans buy in. I am not optomistic on change here. Jordan leaving should be a messgae to the league though, doubt anythj g will happen.

then carmelo anthiny should not have forced his way here in the first place. the hypocrisy you and crushalot are exhibiting is laughable.

If you are saying it wasn't smart for him to come to a state that had a city and state income tax then I agree. When Lebron was being praised for taking less to play with the super friends he and Melo were netting the same amount because of the discrepancy in state/city income tax. Does it seem fair that a player should make 12 to 13% less to play in NY?

no point in talking about this issue as this is the bed carmelo anthiny has made for himself. he could have waited for free agency in 2011 and gone anywhere he wanted, even if it meant being a half-season rental someplace other than new york.

again in 2014 he could have gone anywhere he wanted but decided to stay here to make the most money possible and to continue to <snort> "build his brand," a-hole that he is.

but please go ahead and bitch about taxes in nyc, nys and irs as a viable pretext for the usual misdirection.

or instead you could actually face facts: it isn't the tax issue that is keeping free agents from coming to the knicks, it's the fact that melo is a criminally overpaid one-way player with no leadership skill, who is impossible to build a winner around or even with. he's on the wrong side of thirty, has shoulder and knee issues, and a dinosaur game of volume shooting and isolation play.

i have told you for months on end that no free agent of any stature-- lopez and afflalo?!?-- is coming here to play with carmelo anthiny and now it has come to fruition.


Ahole definition - guy who calls his teams superstar an ahole for making lots of money and expamding his brand. Ie. Bexoming a businessman. All based on the fact that suoerstat makes more mony in 10 minutes than he does ppating over 25k posts in said fan forum. Sidebar, lives in a one bedroom apartment with his mom.

Big talk from such an accomplished individual and known basketball man. I sure hope your not a Knick fan but a troll. If you are we will call you chicken little. Cuz it's seems like your the one bitchin about everything.

given your username there is no point in attempting a rational discussion with you until you take melo's jock out of your mouth. you can read what he himself said until then: "“From a basketball standpoint it probably would’ve been maybe the greatest thing to do, but for me personally I wouldn’t have felt right with myself,” Anthony said, “knowing that I wanted to come here, I kind of forced my way here to New York and I have some unfinished business to take care of.”

unbelievably, he claims that he wants to remain in new york to take care of unfinished business instead of go elsewhere to a winning situation, all while getting a supermax deal with a no trade clause and a 17 million dollar trade kicker.

when has this idiot ever put the knicks first?

Ah you got me. The "old jock in my mouth" quote" this from a genius that concludes Redmen is a Syracuse reference. Forced meaning he held a gun to NY or instead demanded to get out of Mile high? Have you been there? Supermax? Yeah shame on him to be one of the elite players who worked all their lives to get to a level to garnish a max. I am sure your giving back some money at Dominos so the manager can hire another delivery guy. The nerve, while every other player in the league is rejecting max offers.

Please tell me how he should put the knicks first? Sign with the Bulls? Take 15M a year and watch guys like Lopez play next to him for 13.5? Maybe stay on the defensive side only because that's what is getting paid to do. Your just a hatter bro. All hatters are just guys with nothing going for themselves and need to put successful people down. Now get out and Be somebody! And yes, Root for your Knicks. Btw, Isn't their a limit of 5k posts a month? Happy 4th and Go Knicks.

Red, you are hung up on posts, but if you look you have 20k posts due to an inside joke from the mods. Everyone got 20k posts except one dude. I been here 9 years and have 2500 real posts. Not just +1s and crap like that. That said, after like 3 days of being on the site, not sure you should be so critical of any other dude on here. Even if it's 5k posts per month, what of it?

Take a 1 and 1 contract and use cap flexibility to bring in other players. Or just play defense. Either works.

+1

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/4/2015  6:41 PM
Moonangie wrote:Yeah, but you conspicuously have 0 ALBA posts. In ten years. How'd that happen?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2015/05/27/how-jessica-alba-built-a-1-billion-company-and-200-million-fortune-selling-parents-peace-of-mind/

You know I gonna spin wit it
If I am Melo

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