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7/3/2015  4:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  4:46 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...

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7/3/2015  4:46 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens with Calderon. Some executives hang onto guys they missed on in hopes that the signing works out. I think Calderon would be ok if he is healthy. I worry about Achilles injuries, especially at his age.
need to get rid of him. Still wondering what phil was thinking with that move

He was thinking he was getting a true point guard that hardly ever turns the ball over and is one of the best at hitting the 3 point shot but he came to a team full of crap and he was dealing with injuries all season so it was tough for him to really get his game going. If he stays healthy along with everyone else he'll be the guy Phil thought he was getting.

it was a mistake. Thankfully we have grant who im a huge fan of
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7/3/2015  4:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  5:00 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.


Carmelo Anthony has not had success as a starter??????..Two years ago when he wasn't hurt, he put up 27 pts and 8 boards pr game for an entire season...Last time it was done was Shaq Oneal...Please stop the stupid talk, you and Triple are embarrassing yourselves...You aren't taken seriously..

he has been a loser come playoff time. sixth men can give the illusion of being starting-caliber during the jayvee season when the competition is below average half the time and when the defense is more slack.

by contrast he has been easily made inefficient/ineffective in the playoffs on offense, and his defense has always been below the standards necessary in a starting-caliber player. therefore he is always exposed as a liability in the playoffs, and mostly sooner than later.

as you yourself shared, there is a perception that carmelo anthiny is SOFT. there is a measure of truth to that.

teams that win have at least three-two way players in their lineup. can't do it with fewer than that. hence the knicks have failed with him here.

ergo carmelo anthiny has not had... and will not have... success as a starter on a title contender.

Well I think there is zero truth to that..I just thought it was a good article to post to show that Carmelo is a polarizing figure and draws a reaction far and near to even those who aren't following the sport..Melo is a tough person in my opinion..They blamed him for MDA's exit and he said "I'll take the blame, put it on my shoulders" then went out and carried the team to an 18-6 record after..That's not soft...Especially in NY..I have seen many sports where players/coaches/GMs come here and folded like a cheap suit..Not Melo..

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7/3/2015  5:00 PM
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...


Phil clearly knew that the losing and the roster gut would work against him. Thats why he clearly made sure that he put a lot into this draft as well as what he thought he could get in FA. Perhaps you simply weren't paying attention to what Phil's been saying but he talked about his thought process many times.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

Phil got mostly A's from analysts for his draft. We have to see how that goes over time, but he made the right decisions. So far he's taking a calm methodical approach in FA and we'll have to see how that goes as well.

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7/3/2015  5:00 PM
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...

neither is 25 million for cameltoe anthiny. he got his money, now phil gets to do things his way and force melo to demand a trade. fantastic!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/3/2015  5:08 PM
Except that we're not some generic NBA team, we were the worst team in the league last season.
Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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7/3/2015  5:10 PM
VCoug wrote:Except that we're not some generic NBA team, we were the worst team in the league last season.

To be fair, Melo was playing injured as was Calderon and they both missed half the year. They can be different players next season aka actual valuable players.

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7/3/2015  5:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  5:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...


Phil clearly knew that the losing and the roster gut would work against him. Thats why he clearly made sure that he put a lot into this draft as well as what he thought he could get in FA. Perhaps you simply weren't paying attention to what Phil's been saying but he talked about his thought process many times.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

Phil got mostly A's from analysts for his draft. We have to see how that goes over time, but he made the right decisions. So far he's taking a calm methodical approach in FA and we'll have to see how that goes as well.

Phil is talking thru both sides of his mouth..He is saying he isn't going after the big name yet he is knocking on Aldridge and Jordan's door...He isn't talking to everyone that doesn't fit his style, well that seems to be everyone right now...

The team post all star game was losing by the biggest margins in NBA history..If u need the link, let me know..Phil said it bought him joy to watch them...

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7/3/2015  5:17 PM
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...

I understand what you are saying, and usually I agree with alot of your points....however, its understood that Phil deviated from his original plan when he purged the roster...Melo should have been signed and traded last summer but thats the past. I'm trying to deal in the here and now. I'm not doing cartwheels over Lopez and Afflalo but I can make a case that both make sense considering the position the Knicks are in.

Before the summer, Phil said he wanted high IQ guys, wanted to address the front line, guys who can defend and a layer or two who can penetrate and bend the defense. Lopez, for all of his short comings its an intelligent player who actually defends the rim better than Chandler does and he obviously adds much needed size. Afflalo addresses our need for a shooting guard, is a better option than Hardaway or Shump for that matter and has a very reasonable contract.

Grant addresses the penetrating pg he wanted and he gives the backcourt a boost defensively. I know you are down on the KP pick, but once we fell outside of the top 3, all bets were off. As far as gutting the team and taking a project....well, Before the actual draft, we all knew this was a 3 player draft in terms of can't misses.....Outside of 3 was a crap shoot. If KP wowed the Knicks with his athleticism, size, shooting ability, IQ, ability to run the court like a SF at 7'3 and quite frankly, is a player we haven't quiet seen before....Why not take a shot at him at 4? The potential and ceiling this kid has is a good risk. It would be one thing if we took him over Ok4 or Towns....But we took him over Winslow for crying out loud. Winslow's ceiling may be Caron Butler. Not the type of player that gonna push the Knicks over the top by any means. If you remember, a few days before the draft, I wanted Winslow at 4 too, but I think the KP pick was a good risk and in the predicament that we are in, I would have gambled on KP too.

Considering the circumstances, I think the draft coupled with the free agent signings have been good....The elephant in the room is Melo...that may have to be addressed sooner rather than later...

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holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...


Phil clearly knew that the losing and the roster gut would work against him. Thats why he clearly made sure that he put a lot into this draft as well as what he thought he could get in FA. Perhaps you simply weren't paying attention to what Phil's been saying but he talked about his thought process many times.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

Phil got mostly A's from analysts for his draft. We have to see how that goes over time, but he made the right decisions. So far he's taking a calm methodical approach in FA and we'll have to see how that goes as well.

Phil is talking thru both sides of his mouth..He is saying he isn't going after the big name yet he is knocking on Aldridge and Jordan's door...He isn't talking to everyone that doesn't fit his style, well that seems to be everyone right now...

The team post all star game was losing by the biggest margins in NBA history..If u need the link, let me know..Phil said it bought him joy to watch them...

The NBA is a star driven league....you want to win big, you better have a star...you know that. A star player can play and win any system....

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7/3/2015  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  5:31 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...


Phil clearly knew that the losing and the roster gut would work against him. Thats why he clearly made sure that he put a lot into this draft as well as what he thought he could get in FA. Perhaps you simply weren't paying attention to what Phil's been saying but he talked about his thought process many times.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

Phil got mostly A's from analysts for his draft. We have to see how that goes over time, but he made the right decisions. So far he's taking a calm methodical approach in FA and we'll have to see how that goes as well.

Phil is talking thru both sides of his mouth..He is saying he isn't going after the big name yet he is knocking on Aldridge and Jordan's door...He isn't talking to everyone that doesn't fit his style, well that seems to be everyone right now...

The team post all star game was losing by the biggest margins in NBA history..If u need the link, let me know..Phil said it bought him joy to watch them...

The NBA is a star driven league....you want to win big, you better have a star...you know that. A star player can play and win any system....

I know that but they are just putting anything out there..If you ask is Phil building thru the draft or free agency the answer is yes...

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system


That was a hedge just in case they struck out...But they tried to go after the biggest names...
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7/3/2015  5:35 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.


Carmelo Anthony has not had success as a starter??????..Two years ago when he wasn't hurt, he put up 27 pts and 8 boards pr game for an entire season...Last time it was done was Shaq Oneal...Please stop the stupid talk, you and Triple are embarrassing yourselves...You aren't taken seriously..

he has been a loser come playoff time. sixth men can give the illusion of being starting-caliber during the jayvee season when the competition is below average half the time and when the defense is more slack.

by contrast he has been easily made inefficient/ineffective in the playoffs on offense, and his defense has always been below the standards necessary in a starting-caliber player. therefore he is always exposed as a liability in the playoffs, and mostly sooner than later.

as you yourself shared, there is a perception that carmelo anthiny is SOFT. there is a measure of truth to that.

teams that win have at least three-two way players in their lineup. can't do it with fewer than that. hence the knicks have failed with him here.

ergo carmelo anthiny has not had... and will not have... success as a starter on a title contender.

Well I think there is zero truth to that..I just thought it was a good article to post to show that Carmelo is a polarizing figure and draws a reaction far and near to even those who aren't following the sport..Melo is a tough person in my opinion..They blamed him for MDA's exit and he said "I'll take the blame, put it on my shoulders" then went out and carried the team to an 18-6 record after..That's not soft...Especially in NY..I have seen many sports where players/coaches/GMs come here and folded like a cheap suit..Not Melo..

never mind about that, the crux of my point, oh feeble-minded captain of misdirection, is writ large.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/3/2015  5:44 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.


Carmelo Anthony has not had success as a starter??????..Two years ago when he wasn't hurt, he put up 27 pts and 8 boards pr game for an entire season...Last time it was done was Shaq Oneal...Please stop the stupid talk, you and Triple are embarrassing yourselves...You aren't taken seriously..

he has been a loser come playoff time. sixth men can give the illusion of being starting-caliber during the jayvee season when the competition is below average half the time and when the defense is more slack.

by contrast he has been easily made inefficient/ineffective in the playoffs on offense, and his defense has always been below the standards necessary in a starting-caliber player. therefore he is always exposed as a liability in the playoffs, and mostly sooner than later.

as you yourself shared, there is a perception that carmelo anthiny is SOFT. there is a measure of truth to that.

teams that win have at least three-two way players in their lineup. can't do it with fewer than that. hence the knicks have failed with him here.

ergo carmelo anthiny has not had... and will not have... success as a starter on a title contender.

Well I think there is zero truth to that..I just thought it was a good article to post to show that Carmelo is a polarizing figure and draws a reaction far and near to even those who aren't following the sport..Melo is a tough person in my opinion..They blamed him for MDA's exit and he said "I'll take the blame, put it on my shoulders" then went out and carried the team to an 18-6 record after..That's not soft...Especially in NY..I have seen many sports where players/coaches/GMs come here and folded like a cheap suit..Not Melo..

never mind about that, the crux of my point, oh feeble-minded captain of misdirection, is writ large.

It's a team game..You aren't going to win without the pieces around you...I wanted to see what he would look like with the pieces the LeBron, KD and Chris Paul have around them..U can't argue it's the same or it doesn't matter..It does...We keep having this convo over and over and over...

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VCoug wrote:Except that we're not some generic NBA team, we were the worst team in the league last season.

To be fair, Melo was playing injured as was Calderon and they both missed half the year. They can be different players next season aka actual valuable players.

Would be nice if we could see what kind of training Calderon is doing...would love to see him work on his upper body, too. After coming in looking like he did last year, I am not too confident that he is making the proper changes as he ages.

Hope I am wrong about him.

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VCoug wrote:Except that we're not some generic NBA team, we were the worst team in the league last season.

To be fair, Melo was playing injured as was Calderon and they both missed half the year. They can be different players next season aka actual valuable players.

Would be nice if we could see what kind of training Calderon is doing...would love to see him work on his upper body, too. After coming in looking like he did last year, I am not too confident that he is making the proper changes as he ages.

Hope I am wrong about him.

I am worried about him coming back from an Achilles injury. If he blows out his Achilles his career is over at his age.
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holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.


Carmelo Anthony has not had success as a starter??????..Two years ago when he wasn't hurt, he put up 27 pts and 8 boards pr game for an entire season...Last time it was done was Shaq Oneal...Please stop the stupid talk, you and Triple are embarrassing yourselves...You aren't taken seriously..

he has been a loser come playoff time. sixth men can give the illusion of being starting-caliber during the jayvee season when the competition is below average half the time and when the defense is more slack.

by contrast he has been easily made inefficient/ineffective in the playoffs on offense, and his defense has always been below the standards necessary in a starting-caliber player. therefore he is always exposed as a liability in the playoffs, and mostly sooner than later.

as you yourself shared, there is a perception that carmelo anthiny is SOFT. there is a measure of truth to that.

teams that win have at least three-two way players in their lineup. can't do it with fewer than that. hence the knicks have failed with him here.

ergo carmelo anthiny has not had... and will not have... success as a starter on a title contender.

Well I think there is zero truth to that..I just thought it was a good article to post to show that Carmelo is a polarizing figure and draws a reaction far and near to even those who aren't following the sport..Melo is a tough person in my opinion..They blamed him for MDA's exit and he said "I'll take the blame, put it on my shoulders" then went out and carried the team to an 18-6 record after..That's not soft...Especially in NY..I have seen many sports where players/coaches/GMs come here and folded like a cheap suit..Not Melo..

never mind about that, the crux of my point, oh feeble-minded captain of misdirection, is writ large.

It's a team game..You aren't going to win without the pieces around you...I wanted to see what he would look like with the pieces the LeBron, KD and Chris Paul have around them..U can't argue it's the same or it doesn't matter..It does...We keep having this convo over and over and over...

that's because you are an idiot and a fetishist.. he has been grossly compensated for what he has cost the team not just once but twice!!!!

in 2010 he could not wait for free agency.
in 2014 he just had to be courted, could have had more success for less money elsewhere, chose to take the money aaaaannnd...lost.
in 2015 jackson drafted and traded for a future BEYOND melo. "melo you got your money, now be a soldier and stay-- or be a bitch and leave. either way this is part of the culture change"

he INSISTS that be paid more than he KNOWS is his ACTUAL value--------> UNDERachievement.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/3/2015  6:09 PM
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...


Phil clearly knew that the losing and the roster gut would work against him. Thats why he clearly made sure that he put a lot into this draft as well as what he thought he could get in FA. Perhaps you simply weren't paying attention to what Phil's been saying but he talked about his thought process many times.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

Phil got mostly A's from analysts for his draft. We have to see how that goes over time, but he made the right decisions. So far he's taking a calm methodical approach in FA and we'll have to see how that goes as well.

Phil is talking thru both sides of his mouth..He is saying he isn't going after the big name yet he is knocking on Aldridge and Jordan's door...He isn't talking to everyone that doesn't fit his style, well that seems to be everyone right now...

The team post all star game was losing by the biggest margins in NBA history..If u need the link, let me know..Phil said it bought him joy to watch them...

The NBA is a star driven league....you want to win big, you better have a star...you know that. A star player can play and win any system....

I know that but they are just putting anything out there..If you ask is Phil building thru the draft or free agency the answer is yes...

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system


That was a hedge just in case they struck out...But they tried to go after the biggest names...

You're only real argument is that you seem to think Phil can't do both things at once and that somehow he didn't really plan this. He in fact said that he wanted a Future component to the team as well as a Present. He's so far successfully executing that plan. He's got a lot of young talent on tap and ready to be developed and he has some vets to help bridge the gap. I simply don't see any major reason for complaint.

We never had a shot at Marc Gasol or any of the players that stayed home. The chances of Jordan and Aldridge were always low but you take your shot anyway. The guy with the highest chance was Monroe but Phil still stuck to his guns regarding him. Reports suggest that he never actually made a Max offer to Monroe. His agent is saying they did but I don't believe him. In the end Phil did wrap up his big needs with a defensive C and a SG. Now we need to see what else he will do to fill out the rest of the roster.

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7/3/2015  6:28 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...

I understand what you are saying, and usually I agree with alot of your points....however, its understood that Phil deviated from his original plan when he purged the roster...Melo should have been signed and traded last summer but thats the past. I'm trying to deal in the here and now. I'm not doing cartwheels over Lopez and Afflalo but I can make a case that both make sense considering the position the Knicks are in.

Before the summer, Phil said he wanted high IQ guys, wanted to address the front line, guys who can defend and a layer or two who can penetrate and bend the defense. Lopez, for all of his short comings its an intelligent player who actually defends the rim better than Chandler does and he obviously adds much needed size. Afflalo addresses our need for a shooting guard, is a better option than Hardaway or Shump for that matter and has a very reasonable contract.

Grant addresses the penetrating pg he wanted and he gives the backcourt a boost defensively. I know you are down on the KP pick, but once we fell outside of the top 3, all bets were off. As far as gutting the team and taking a project....well, Before the actual draft, we all knew this was a 3 player draft in terms of can't misses.....Outside of 3 was a crap shoot. If KP wowed the Knicks with his athleticism, size, shooting ability, IQ, ability to run the court like a SF at 7'3 and quite frankly, is a player we haven't quiet seen before....Why not take a shot at him at 4? The potential and ceiling this kid has is a good risk. It would be one thing if we took him over Ok4 or Towns....But we took him over Winslow for crying out loud. Winslow's ceiling may be Caron Butler. Not the type of player that gonna push the Knicks over the top by any means. If you remember, a few days before the draft, I wanted Winslow at 4 too, but I think the KP pick was a good risk and in the predicament that we are in, I would have gambled on KP too.

Considering the circumstances, I think the draft coupled with the free agent signings have been good....The elephant in the room is Melo...that may have to be addressed sooner rather than later...

You say consider the circumstances..I say we created the circumstances..Melo is the big elephant in the room..He needs to be traded..My issue is that he didn't even try in his first year here to add pieces, role players, to build a team, to attract free agents..

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7/3/2015  6:31 PM
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VCoug wrote:Except that we're not some generic NBA team, we were the worst team in the league last season.

To be fair, Melo was playing injured as was Calderon and they both missed half the year. They can be different players next season aka actual valuable players.

Unless they're not. This isn't the first time Melo's been injured here and he's 31. Calderon has been on a downward trajectory for a couple of years and will turn 34 before this season.

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7/3/2015  6:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?

Glad u asked...

U have to have a concrete plan...
It's either you are building for the long term thru the draft or you are building thru free agency, not both...Free Agents aren't dummies...If you are building thru free agency then you have to have the reserve pieces or role players in place when you hit the free agent market..You then say with these role players and Melo, you can win..You won't be taken seriously with 3 d league players and 5 rookies/second year players on your roster...You aren't trying to win now..A blind man can see that...Why would anyone come at that point...You are saying Aldridge won't come and you are right..Because you have made it so he won't come...You can't gut the frigging entire team then draft a rookie that is projected to contribute three years down the road and say hey I'm ready to compete with Cleveland..It's not believable...


Phil clearly knew that the losing and the roster gut would work against him. Thats why he clearly made sure that he put a lot into this draft as well as what he thought he could get in FA. Perhaps you simply weren't paying attention to what Phil's been saying but he talked about his thought process many times.

The Draft Pick
Last Thursday night, Jackson chuckled about knowing whom he would pick in the upcoming draft by joking, “I do…” On May 19, the Ping-Pong balls will decide the Knicks fate in the 2015 Draft. The lottery determines the draft order and New York is guaranteed a top selection due to its 2014-15 regular season record.

“A first draft pick can move an entire organization as Patrick Ewing did here in the early 80s,” Jackson acknowledged. “We want to see if that player is the one that can move the whole franchise ahead as a direct cause. All the other options are there on the table for us and what happens behind that is we have zero big men. We have Carmelo [Anthony] as our only big man that’s under contract, so we have to pick not only draft picks but also free agents to fill out our roster, so what combination will go together with the people that we draft and a free agent market.”

The 2015 class figures to be stacked with talented guards and big men, especially near the top of the draft. On April 26 we’ll know exactly how deep the draft is following the deadline for early entry eligibility.

“It’s a very talented crop and we’re happy to have this opportunity and we’re going to make the most of it,” Jackson stated.

The last lottery selection for New York occurred in the 2009 season when the organization picked Jordan Hill out of the University of Arizona at No. 8. Six years later, Jackson and the front office are preparing for the next young player to hit the hardwood for the orange and blue.

“We want a player that has multiple skills,” he added. “I’m very impressed with the young players that are playing in college right now.”

Free Agency Strategy
Starting on July 1, teams with cap space will begin to court prospective restricted and unrestricted free agents. With a significant amount of money under the cap, the prestige of Jackson, and the lure of New York City, the Knicks are prepared to be a player in the market. However, the front office will take a calculated approach to an important summer for the franchise.

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system and style of play, so it may in fact be one of the big names but one thing for certain it will be a person that fits system wise with us. One of the things that Phil brings to the table for us is allows us to sort of clear the deck, to speak, so that we know exactly the skills that players need to have to be successful in our system and we’re going to go after players like that. It will be a combination of big names and guys that are just system fits.”

Members of the Knicks staff have traveled overseas in recent weeks to scout European players and seek out reasonable buyouts. Jackson and Mills expressed the importance of exploring all options to build the roster for the next season and beyond. As part of their due diligence, conversations will take place with agents of players to pitch the Knicks plan for the short and long term.

“You’re constantly planting seeds on why this would be a good place for their players and that’s a process that takes place all the way throughout the year,” Mills disclosed.

Who Will Return?
The Knicks re-shaped the roster midseason and entered evaluation mode to assess the players on the team that would fit the desired style and culture for the franchise. On Thursday night, Jackson and Mills praised Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and Langston Galloway for their play on the floor and professional approach to the game.

“They brought a lot of joy to us just by watching how they play,” Jackson smiled. “Great energy, team players, they do a job out there and they all can play defense and they’re two-way players as we say. So, that kind of says in a nutshell about what’s going to happen with this team. That’s the direction we’re looking to go.”

This does not rule out the potential return of other players on the roster as Jackson and Mills will make those decisions in early July.

“On July 1st, we chase free agents that we know are likely to come to this organization and we do that in a way that compliments our draft choice and compliments the team and the way we want to play basketball,” Jackson asserted.

Phil got mostly A's from analysts for his draft. We have to see how that goes over time, but he made the right decisions. So far he's taking a calm methodical approach in FA and we'll have to see how that goes as well.

Phil is talking thru both sides of his mouth..He is saying he isn't going after the big name yet he is knocking on Aldridge and Jordan's door...He isn't talking to everyone that doesn't fit his style, well that seems to be everyone right now...

The team post all star game was losing by the biggest margins in NBA history..If u need the link, let me know..Phil said it bought him joy to watch them...

The NBA is a star driven league....you want to win big, you better have a star...you know that. A star player can play and win any system....

I know that but they are just putting anything out there..If you ask is Phil building thru the draft or free agency the answer is yes...

“We will not go after the biggest name that’s out there,” Mills confirmed. “We will go after players that fit in the system


That was a hedge just in case they struck out...But they tried to go after the biggest names...

You're only real argument is that you seem to think Phil can't do both things at once and that somehow he didn't really plan this. He in fact said that he wanted a Future component to the team as well as a Present. He's so far successfully executing that plan. He's got a lot of young talent on tap and ready to be developed and he has some vets to help bridge the gap. I simply don't see any major reason for complaint.

We never had a shot at Marc Gasol or any of the players that stayed home. The chances of Jordan and Aldridge were always low but you take your shot anyway. The guy with the highest chance was Monroe but Phil still stuck to his guns regarding him. Reports suggest that he never actually made a Max offer to Monroe. His agent is saying they did but I don't believe him. In the end Phil did wrap up his big needs with a defensive C and a SG. Now we need to see what else he will do to fill out the rest of the roster.

If you are building for the future, why try to field a .500 team...It won't help your draft in 2017 and 2018...

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