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Bonn1997
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7/3/2015  3:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  3:45 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:If I remember correctly Lopez's defensive numbers are very pedestrian. Much like his brother except he is not the same offensive player

Lopez is a quality rim protector.

During the 2013-14 season, Lopez faced an unbelievably high 10.3 field goal attempts at the rim per game. That’s behind Spencer Hawes, 10.4, and tied with DeAndre Jordan for the second-most in the entire league.

Hawes allowed opponents to shoot 52.3 percent in those situations. Jordan checked in at a solid 49.4 percent.

Lopez can be found all the way down at 42.5 percent. The first sign of an elite rim protector.

Not only is that a stunning percentage—and that adjective doesn’t do it justice—but that’s the second-best mark of any player in the entire league. The only one who has a better mark is Hibbert, who limits opponents to 41.4 percent shooting when he meets them at the rim.

When a player’s only competition is a front-runner for Defensive Player of the Year, they’re nothing if not in position to make one of the All-Defense Teams. Or at least they should be.


I think last year opponents shot 48% at the rim with him in, which is still very good. I think Lopez is worth what we're paying him even if his contributions go unnoticed because his PPG isn't high enough and his offense isn't flashy enough.
Lopez must really, really want to be here if he's willing to just wait for D Jordan to make up his mind while other teams use up their cap space.
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7/3/2015  3:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  3:41 PM
crzymdups wrote:Can't believe it's still contingent on Jordan.

Also he got a million more than Tyson, though he's four years younger and hopefully wants to be here more.


Yeah, the thing is with Tyson, he would have added only 6 mil rather than Lopez adding 13 mil to our 2016-17 payroll since we wouldn't have Calderon. Long-term (once Calderon expires and Tyson is in years 3 and 4 of his new contract), Lopez is the better buy though.
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7/3/2015  3:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:If I remember correctly Lopez's defensive numbers are very pedestrian. Much like his brother except he is not the same offensive player

Lopez is a quality rim protector.

During the 2013-14 season, Lopez faced an unbelievably high 10.3 field goal attempts at the rim per game. That’s behind Spencer Hawes, 10.4, and tied with DeAndre Jordan for the second-most in the entire league.

Hawes allowed opponents to shoot 52.3 percent in those situations. Jordan checked in at a solid 49.4 percent.

Lopez can be found all the way down at 42.5 percent. The first sign of an elite rim protector.

Not only is that a stunning percentage—and that adjective doesn’t do it justice—but that’s the second-best mark of any player in the entire league. The only one who has a better mark is Hibbert, who limits opponents to 41.4 percent shooting when he meets them at the rim.

When a player’s only competition is a front-runner for Defensive Player of the Year, they’re nothing if not in position to make one of the All-Defense Teams. Or at least they should be.


I think last year opponents shot 48% at the rim with him in, which is still very good. I think Lopez is worth what we're paying him even if his contributions go unnoticed because his PPG isn't high enough and his offense isn't flashy enough.
Lopez must really, really want to be here if he's willing to just wait for D Jordan to make up his mind while other teams use up their cap space.

Yeah, who does this. I think a lot has to do with Family and the money being good of course.

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7/3/2015  4:15 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:If I remember correctly Lopez's defensive numbers are very pedestrian. Much like his brother except he is not the same offensive player

Lopez is a quality rim protector.

During the 2013-14 season, Lopez faced an unbelievably high 10.3 field goal attempts at the rim per game. That’s behind Spencer Hawes, 10.4, and tied with DeAndre Jordan for the second-most in the entire league.

Hawes allowed opponents to shoot 52.3 percent in those situations. Jordan checked in at a solid 49.4 percent.

Lopez can be found all the way down at 42.5 percent. The first sign of an elite rim protector.

Not only is that a stunning percentage—and that adjective doesn’t do it justice—but that’s the second-best mark of any player in the entire league. The only one who has a better mark is Hibbert, who limits opponents to 41.4 percent shooting when he meets them at the rim.

When a player’s only competition is a front-runner for Defensive Player of the Year, they’re nothing if not in position to make one of the All-Defense Teams. Or at least they should be.


I think last year opponents shot 48% at the rim with him in, which is still very good. I think Lopez is worth what we're paying him even if his contributions go unnoticed because his PPG isn't high enough and his offense isn't flashy enough.
Lopez must really, really want to be here if he's willing to just wait for D Jordan to make up his mind while other teams use up their cap space.

Yeah, who does this. I think a lot has to do with Family and the money being good of course.

Jordan was never signing here and he knew that. 0% chance..was always clippers or mavericks

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7/3/2015  4:17 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:Im sórry but the cap hit for lopez is insane and im a fan of him
they may have paid a little more but he was flexible with the DJ situation. I also think that they needed to get a name guy that other teams were trying for.
i wanted lopez BUT i dont think he has done enough to earn almost 14 per year. 10 would have been fair

Would you rather have T.Chandler or R.Lopez?? Their deals are pretty much the same. I'll take a 27 year old Rolo over Tyson.

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7/3/2015  4:27 PM
This reminds me of a car auction. You miss out on the
BMW you wanted and by the end of day your over bidding on that beat up Jaguar with high miles
And just a few dents. Can anyone explain to me how Robin Lopez has six times
the value as Smith, Cole or Admundson?
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7/3/2015  4:30 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:This reminds me of a car auction. You miss out on the
BMW you wanted and by the end of day your over bidding on that beat up Jaguar with high miles
And just a few dents. Can anyone explain to me how Robin Lopez has six times
the value as Smith, Cole or Admundson?

The thing is the Knicks can bring back all those guys for cheap. Maybe they lose Jason Smith but Lopez is definitely ten times the player smith is.

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7/3/2015  4:32 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:

Makes Melo a bargain.

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7/3/2015  4:34 PM
This is a good write up about the positives ROLO brings.


http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/7/3/8889185/why-robin-lopez-fits-the-knicks-nba-free-agency-2015

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7/3/2015  5:07 PM
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crzymdups wrote:I think I prefer Lopez over Monroe at this point. Who were they gonna have play defense if they had Monroe and Melo and Kristaps? Lopez allows for a more balanced front court.

I think I feel the same way. If they sign Brewer the Knicks will have a nice defensive line up.

Lopez is not a bad player at all. This roster may prove to be a force to contain with after all. The front court will be well balanced with offense and defense; so will be the back court if we obtain Beverly

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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7/3/2015  5:08 PM
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crzymdups wrote:I think I prefer Lopez over Monroe at this point. Who were they gonna have play defense if they had Monroe and Melo and Kristaps? Lopez allows for a more balanced front court.

I think I feel the same way. If they sign Brewer the Knicks will have a nice defensive line up.

Lopez is not a bad player at all. This roster may prove to be a force to contain with after all. The front court will be well balanced with offense and defense; so will be the back court if we obtain Beverly

Doesn't sound like Beverly is a real option. They'd have to trade Calderon or Grant or something.

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7/3/2015  5:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:This reminds me of a car auction. You miss out on the
BMW you wanted and by the end of day your over bidding on that beat up Jaguar with high miles
And just a few dents. Can anyone explain to me how Robin Lopez has six times
the value as Smith, Cole or Admundson?

The thing is the Knicks can bring back all those guys for cheap. Maybe they lose Jason Smith but Lopez is definitely ten times the player smith is.


I hope your right. Too many years of over hyped players. Just don't see a 9 and 6 guy making a difference. For that matter, Bags was 14 and 4 guy, Smith 8 and 4. Agree not defensive players but if we were looking for defense only, would rather get a defensive 4 that is quick and play multiple positions.

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7/3/2015  5:26 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:This reminds me of a car auction. You miss out on the
BMW you wanted and by the end of day your over bidding on that beat up Jaguar with high miles
And just a few dents. Can anyone explain to me how Robin Lopez has six times
the value as Smith, Cole or Admundson?

The thing is the Knicks can bring back all those guys for cheap. Maybe they lose Jason Smith but Lopez is definitely ten times the player smith is.


I hope your right. Too many years of over hyped players. Just don't see a 9 and 6 guy making a difference. For that matter, Bags was 14 and 4 guy, Smith 8 and 4. Agree not defensive players but if we were looking for defense only, would rather get a defensive 4 that is quick and play multiple positions.

To my mind, especially in today's nba - a defensive anchor at the five is the most important position on the floor. You don't measure a guy like rLopez with traditional points and rebounds. Look at opponent fg% and offensive rebounding %.

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7/3/2015  5:59 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Im sórry but the cap hit for lopez is insane and im a fan of him
they may have paid a little more but he was flexible with the DJ situation. I also think that they needed to get a name guy that other teams were trying for.
i wanted lopez BUT i dont think he has done enough to earn almost 14 per year. 10 would have been fair

Would you rather have T.Chandler or R.Lopez?? Their deals are pretty much the same. I'll take a 27 year old Rolo over Tyson.


Once you factor in Calderon's and Felton's contracts, Tyson would be adding 41 mil vs. Lopez's 54 mil. Because of age, I'd still take Lopez though.
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7/3/2015  6:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  6:08 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:

Makes Melo a bargain.


Perhaps a reasonable contract for a contending team; a piece that doesn't fit on a lottery team IMO.
For almost the same price, I'd rather have BOTH Danny Green and DeMarre Carroll. The point is that even in this market I think you can get more production out of 24 mil.
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7/3/2015  6:14 PM
I am OK with this signing. Much better value than Monroe in my opinion. All Monroe does is score. We needed interior defense. People who are saying he is just an average defender clearly didn't see him play.
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7/3/2015  6:23 PM
RedmenBaller wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:

Makes Melo a bargain.

Makes everyone a bargain once cap jumps.

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7/3/2015  6:27 PM
Saw this in the comments over at posting and toasting and thought it was interesting.


Of players that played in at least 40 games, and had a minimum of 5.0 opponent FGA at the rim, Lopez had the 11th lowest opp FG% at the rim with 48.0% (out of 72 players). He also had 82 blocks despite playing in 59 games.

For reference: Greg Monroe had the 7th highest opponent FG% at the rim with 55.1% (of those same 72 players), and only had 34 blocks despite playing in 69 games

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7/3/2015  8:04 PM
nixluva wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Ehhh, to much downside at this price

What do you mean? What's the downside you see with this?

A yr to long for starters. I don't love his estimated production for the amount of yrs and rate. Don't see the skill level that maybe can be enhanced within the tri. I think Phil could have found a young hungry lunch pale type that could give him 8-8 an a smaller scale salary.

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7/3/2015  9:37 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Ehhh, to much downside at this price

What do you mean? What's the downside you see with this?

A yr to long for starters. I don't love his estimated production for the amount of yrs and rate. Don't see the skill level that maybe can be enhanced within the tri. I think Phil could have found a young hungry lunch pale type that could give him 8-8 an a smaller scale salary.

Just remember that Phil has had success with guys like R Lopez. Heck we had some guys that had very little in the way of skills and they learned how to function in the system. Bigs with any decent talent level should have a spike in their overall production in this system since they touch the ball so much. RoLO will be even closer to the basket more often which should help him. He's actually pretty good offensively in around the basket. He's a bit mechanical but he gets it done.

Here you can see some post ups against Moz. He beats Moz down the floor a few times. You can see his athletic ability as well.

Lopez deal is official/Wojo

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