BRIGGS wrote:Im not going to kill Phil.

Hes trying to lay the foundation for the top

Porzingis
Willy H
Galloway
Grant
Early
Thansis

We have a couple of interesting SL players and we can look at other teams rosters.

Hes trying to build a team at the same time to be competitive with melo--Affalo maybe Lopez etc..

We have to be realistic how bad we are to start with. This was a rebuild and we had a LOT of competition in free agency with a bad team.

The market for Chandler JR etc.. was what it was--if it wasnt wed have more. We sold at a low because their value was low.

The one move I would do differently is Andersen at 19 instead of Grant. I think that we can find another Grant. But to have a guy who can defend other teams elite wing players at 6-6 235 pounds--the guy is a Ron Artest with a good 3 point shot was the best athlete in the draft--I dont think many of those. I also wouldve went Powell over Willy but if we got Andersen it wouldve been ok. But this is Phils gig and this is his make up and well just go along with it. there was no magic pill for this team.

Agreed 100%.

Don't think Phil has been perfect but he has restocked us with young talent and think people forget the lack of assets we had when he came aboard (lack of young talent + lack of picks, both 1st round and 2nd round). I even forgot that we acquired the pick to draft Louis Labeyrie until this past week when I happened to read an article about it...

We still need to acquire more talent and this a process...we will not become a contender overnight. i know a lot of fans wish we had our 2016 pick but we don't and there is nothing we can do about the ill-conceived deals that were made in the past.

s3231 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not going to kill Phil.

Hes trying to lay the foundation for the top

Porzingis
Willy H
Galloway
Grant
Early
Thansis

We have a couple of interesting SL players and we can look at other teams rosters.

Hes trying to build a team at the same time to be competitive with melo--Affalo maybe Lopez etc..

We have to be realistic how bad we are to start with. This was a rebuild and we had a LOT of competition in free agency with a bad team.

The market for Chandler JR etc.. was what it was--if it wasnt wed have more. We sold at a low because their value was low.

The one move I would do differently is Andersen at 19 instead of Grant. I think that we can find another Grant. But to have a guy who can defend other teams elite wing players at 6-6 235 pounds--the guy is a Ron Artest with a good 3 point shot was the best athlete in the draft--I dont think many of those. I also wouldve went Powell over Willy but if we got Andersen it wouldve been ok. But this is Phils gig and this is his make up and well just go along with it. there was no magic pill for this team.

Agreed 100%.

Don't think Phil has been perfect but he has restocked us with young talent and think people forget the lack of assets we had when he came aboard (lack of young talent + lack of picks, both 1st round and 2nd round). I even forgot that we acquired the pick to draft Louis Labeyrie until this past week when I happened to read an article about it...

We still need to acquire more talent and this a process...we will not become a contender overnight. i know a lot of fans wish we had our 2016 pick but we don't and there is nothing we can do about the ill-conceived deals that were made in the past.

Same here. I love the fiscal responsibility.

Selling low also could not be avoided. All those players were under performing and we had no choice if we wanted to clear them from the team.

CRaZYMotherfucckerDontUPmymedS

Yea, lets build around an oft injured 33 yr old, no offense player. Phil sucks but you have all the answers, right!
Don't worry about the truth in your statements, just change things to prove your point.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:And the kicker in all of this - he re-signed Melo to a huge five year max deal. And no other move he's made has supported or been in concert with that Melo move.

Why sign Melo if you're going to completely tear it down?

Phil thought they could win last year at first - that's the truly terrifying thing. He thought a starting front court of Samuel Dalembert and Andrea Bargnani could bridge the gap and get us to the playoffs. Then he rightly blew that up. But we screwed the draft position. Then, worse, he have completely completely punted on free agency.

Maybe we get Robin Lopez? Who is half the player Tyson Chandler is. Maybe we get David Lee for one year? Maybe?

in phils defense i doubt resigning melo was his call. That was dolan most likely

Didn't we cut Corey Brewer?

BigRedDog wrote:crzymdups

CRaZYMotherfucckerDontUPmymedS

Yea, lets build around an oft injured 33 yr old, no offense player. Phil sucks but you have all the answers, right!
Don't worry about the truth in your statements, just change things to prove your point.

Huh? I said I'd be fine with a complete tear down. I'm not the one who signed Carmelo to a $124M deal. He's also 31 by the way.

It's the in-between approach that I don't get. Clearly the rest of the league doesn't get it either.

Sangfroid wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:And the kicker in all of this - he re-signed Melo to a huge five year max deal. And no other move he's made has supported or been in concert with that Melo move.

Why sign Melo if you're going to completely tear it down?

Phil thought they could win last year at first - that's the truly terrifying thing. He thought a starting front court of Samuel Dalembert and Andrea Bargnani could bridge the gap and get us to the playoffs. Then he rightly blew that up. But we screwed the draft position. Then, worse, he have completely completely punted on free agency.

Maybe we get Robin Lopez? Who is half the player Tyson Chandler is. Maybe we get David Lee for one year? Maybe?

Lopez is Tyson on a slightly higher usg and probably better rim protection.He is not the rebounder Tyson is though.

Tyson had a few good rebounding days for us, but he had too many single digit rebounding days to go with his puny scoring efforts. Amazing that his numbers go up whenever he leaves NY.

Tyson averaged over 10rpg as a Knick and won a defensive player of the year award. He got sick in the playoffs, but check out Robin Lopez's playoffs numbers from this year. He's a fine center, but he's not better than Tyson. He's also not a guy you build around.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo took less this year so the Knicks could get free agents. Wonder how he's feeling right now?

I really wouldn't be surprised if he demanded a trade by training camp.

Bye

If he does that would be the best news I have heard about him since before we acquired him

I don't disagree - at least we'd be on one set path then, instead of trying to balance two paths and falling on our faces.

I just don't think we'd get much back for him, especially since he has a no trade and he'd have to help orchestrate the deal.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo took less this year so the Knicks could get free agents. Wonder how he's feeling right now?

I really wouldn't be surprised if he demanded a trade by training camp.

Bye

If he does that would be the best news I have heard about him since before we acquired him

crzymdups wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo took less this year so the Knicks could get free agents. Wonder how he's feeling right now?

I really wouldn't be surprised if he demanded a trade by training camp.

Bye

If he does that would be the best news I have heard about him since before we acquired him

I don't disagree - at least we'd be on one set path then, instead of trying to balance two paths and falling on our faces.

I just don't think we'd get much back for him, especially since he has a no trade and he'd have to help orchestrate the deal.

IF you accept signing him was a mistake, and move on from that. What else have we done to stay on that path? I think we are trying to acquire young player and rightfully so. Forget all the rumors and the reports of our interest in blah blah and look at what has actually gone down. I don't think we have fallen over our faces, Tyson was mentally checked out and JR was just toxic. I liked Tyson but it was clear he wouldn't succeed here. I never liked JR and I honestly don't think we lost him for nothing. That was more addition by subtraction. He can definitely be a goo player, but it's only for a third of a season every other season.