mreinman wrote:so far this guy has been quite a negative sum player

this is salvation?

Upside and has very good skills offensively. May do well here

nixluva wrote:Missing the point if you think we're saying Derrick Williams is a savior. NO ONE said anything like that. This is a case where you can take a guy that has talent but may not have been able to put it all together yet. You put him in your system and see if you can get him right with a clear role. You coach him up and work on his flaws and things that may have held him back from contributing. The same way they took a flyer on Shved and he looked a lot better in the role we gave him. Some players have the talent but perhaps not the clear vision of how they can succeed at this level. You give them a better understanding of their role and suddenly things can click for them.

i definitely agree. i wouldnt mind signing him (for pennies) and see what he can do. i'm not expecting much except for a few bad fouls and nice dunks. if he exceeds my expectations then great. its just sad that we need ALOT more but we're not evaluating scrubs for roles. but baby steps first i guess

They could possibly have enough room to offer a players 4 yr/65m if they stretch Calderon.

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:IF the cap goes up to 69m instead of the projected $67m then the knicks should hold back on offering Williams or any other player right now.

They could possibly have enough room to offer a players 4 yr/65m if they stretch Calderon.

Great point.

Not my calculations but they looked pretty legit

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1397091#start_here

My estimate of how much cap space we have left. There are definitely better cap experts on this board so let me know if i'm wrong!:

Carmelo Anthony: $22,875,000
Robin Lopez: $11,709,601.87 (assuming he's getting that rumored 4 years 50 mil)
Aaron Afflalo: $7,823,960.88
Jose Calderon: $7,402,812
Kristap Porzingis: $3,443,100
Jerian Grant: $1,310,300
Cleanthony Early: $845,059
Langston Galloway: $845,059
Cap Holds (x4): $2,030,532

Total: $58,285,424

2015-2015 Salary Cap: $69,000,000 (if report of additional $2mil cap space is true, I think at the very least it will be $1 mil extra)

Total Cap Space: $10,714,596

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Hypothetical Cap Space if we stretched and waived Calderon: $14,650,537 (would have been about 500k more but there would now be an additional empty roster spot cap hold that we have to account for)

If that is in fact our total cap space left (without stretching Calderon), then the best contract we can offer ONE player for four years by my calculations is worth a grand total of: $47,679,952.20

So basically, we have around 4 years/$48 million to give to one player. This probably would not dissuade the Magic from matching Tobias Harris.

If we stretch Calderon, then the best contract we can offer is around 4 years/$65 million. This possibly gives us a chance to land Tobias Harris.

newyorker4ever wrote:We're bringing both C.Brewer and D.Williams in for interviews today. I wouldn't mind either one for the right price.

gunsnewing wrote:We just paid Lopez $13.5mil

A bench player

There will be no max deals available to us next year. Gotta get DW now

The cap is going up to $89M next year. They can add a max, especially if Afflalo opts out.

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We just paid Lopez $13.5mil

A bench player

There will be no max deals available to us next year. Gotta get DW now

The guy that worked for the nets said the Knicks will have 30 mil in cap space next summer on twitter.

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:Missing the point if you think we're saying Derrick Williams is a savior. NO ONE said anything like that. This is a case where you can take a guy that has talent but may not have been able to put it all together yet. You put him in your system and see if you can get him right with a clear role. You coach him up and work on his flaws and things that may have held him back from contributing. The same way they took a flyer on Shved and he looked a lot better in the role we gave him. Some players have the talent but perhaps not the clear vision of how they can succeed at this level. You give them a better understanding of their role and suddenly things can click for them.

i definitely agree. i wouldnt mind signing him (for pennies) and see what he can do. i'm not expecting much except for a few bad fouls and nice dunks. if he exceeds my expectations then great. its just sad that we need ALOT more but we're not evaluating scrubs for roles. but baby steps first i guess

With some young players you have to look beyond what they've done so far. Sometimes it's circumstances that mess up a players head and they look far worse than they should. It's not easy but when you do some research you can find those players throughout the league. It's not like it never happens that players suddenly find their niche and play closer to their potential. It happens all the time. When you're in our situation you have to be open to this approach.

agreed. beggers cant be choosers. its just sad that were the beggers