[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Change The Culture: Trade Melo
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 3 of 6 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4  5 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
6/27/2015  7:14 PM
Uptown wrote:I don't necessarily disagree about perhaps moving him, but he may have been misrepresented Isola and the likes...While their reports say, people around Melo didn't like the pick, Melo says out of his on mouth (or his own keyboard) that he thought the Zinger was a steal and he "Can't wait to play with him."
I agree. Also, I think the appropriate thing to do is wait until free agency is done. Currently I think the longest tenured Knick after Melo is Cole if he comes back. No one else has been a knick for more than a year. If free agency brings in West, Monroe, and another quality player I think Melo will be excited to compete with that group. Right now his vet teammate is Jose.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
AUTOADVERT
newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/19/2014
Member: #5816
6/27/2015  7:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Im inclined to keep Melo for one last chance. I can't believe he stuck Phil under the bus yesterday it was incredibly immature. Just like a family u keep problems in house and work it out and he showed no loyalty to a team that has gone out of its way for him. ThAt being said the east is weak and if melo can be a team player and help do his thing at the bottom line he is still a superior offensive player. It's also in the Knicks best interests to see him play good healthy ball again in case the decision needs to be made to go in a different direction

I'm either way on trading Melo. I'm a Cuse/Knicks fan which makes me a huge Melo fan but he definitely changed me some with his actions after the draft. Now i really don't think Melo was as angry as SAS/Isola made it out to be but i do think he wasn't all that happy with the Porzingis pick. I think one of the things that bothers me most was Melo not taking to twitter to welcome the draft picks to the Knicks. He might of sent them a text or a call privately but i think he should of done it through twitter if he even did it at all.
newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/19/2014
Member: #5816
6/27/2015  7:22 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Melo is starting to remind me of marbury. Both terrific offensive talents with limitations in the other areas. Both havent been successful in postseason. Id love to trade but that contract might be tough to move

I don't think it would be hard at all to trade Melo. I think teams would absolutely jump at the chance at trading for him especially the teams that don't get any big names in free agency. He's 31 years old which isn't that old. He's not a running back in the NFL. He'll finish this contract and be a top player in the NBA for the whole contract.
StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/28/2012
Member: #4451
6/27/2015  7:31 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Melo is starting to remind me of marbury. Both terrific offensive talents with limitations in the other areas. Both havent been successful in postseason. Id love to trade but that contract might be tough to move

I don't think it would be hard at all to trade Melo. I think teams would absolutely jump at the chance at trading for him especially the teams that don't get any big names in free agency. He's 31 years old which isn't that old. He's not a running back in the NFL. He'll finish this contract and be a top player in the NBA for the whole contract.
melo is probably a notch below the bigtime players. I like melo but he is what he is, a very good scorer. However you have to take age into account and injuries its just the fact of life in sports unless you are a freak of nature like lebron
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30169
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/27/2015  7:34 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Melo is starting to remind me of marbury. Both terrific offensive talents with limitations in the other areas. Both havent been successful in postseason. Id love to trade but that contract might be tough to move

I don't think it would be hard at all to trade Melo. I think teams would absolutely jump at the chance at trading for him especially the teams that don't get any big names in free agency. He's 31 years old which isn't that old. He's not a running back in the NFL. He'll finish this contract and be a top player in the NBA for the whole contract.

Bulls would trade for Melo in a heartbeat after there playoff failure.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
6/27/2015  7:34 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:
holfresh wrote:
One thing is that you are not being fair saying catering to Melo's whims..
Phil made a choice..Be a man and say we are moving on..Melo lets help get you to a contender...No need to disparage Melo..

holfresh - not trying to disparage Melo in any way. He is who he is. This is not about his supreme athletic ability. This is about the sideshow that detracts from a young team finding its own voice, without the background noise.

It may sound harsh or unfair, but is is an unflinching look at how this franchise needs to clear the air and how Phil MUST fulfill his stated mission to "change the culture."

Trade Melo now.

You and I have zero proof in terms of what was said or who said it..None..The sideshow was created by the media..If you are pointing fingers without any proof, it's irresponsible...If you want to move on then just do so...Don't make up excuses...

Then he should have stepped up and said something. Guilt by silence.

His lack of reaction or denial is more than telling, IMO. At the very least he would have one of his mouthpieces deny what was "allegedly" said.

Isola and other reporters are not going to put out something like this without a confirming source,unless, of course, Anthony made the comments directly to a reporter. You do understand this, don't you. The way things are done now, they could lose their bloody jobs.

Anthony's lawyers would have already filed a libel suit if there was no truth...give me a break.


You have to deal with the consequences one way or the other.

A man would have stepped up and spoke to the allegations directly...but Anthony has not done this, has he.

I'm just amazed that you feel that this needs to play out in social media for your consumption and approval..I guess it's truly the Kadashian era...
StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/28/2012
Member: #4451
6/27/2015  7:37 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Melo is starting to remind me of marbury. Both terrific offensive talents with limitations in the other areas. Both havent been successful in postseason. Id love to trade but that contract might be tough to move

I don't think it would be hard at all to trade Melo. I think teams would absolutely jump at the chance at trading for him especially the teams that don't get any big names in free agency. He's 31 years old which isn't that old. He's not a running back in the NFL. He'll finish this contract and be a top player in the NBA for the whole contract.

Bulls would trade for Melo in a heartbeat after there playoff failure.

terrific lets do it
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
6/27/2015  7:38 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

Phil and his scouts said he is a "once in a lifetime" type player...
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
6/27/2015  7:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2015  8:41 PM
misterearl wrote:For my beloved Knicks to move forward, all catering to Anthony's personal whims and opinion must stop and it must stop immediately. The press is ready to pounce on his every gesture, and turn the whispers into shouts, just to sell newspapers. It is a formula for distraction to the fans, an more important, the players, who are confused about roles.

Tony Kornheiser is right. If Melo wanted to win he should have signed with Chicago. To say it ws not about the money, when it was, is dishonest, at best. The problem is Uncle Phil's to paint over, cover up or eliminate altogether.

Who really wants this same discussion into training camp? Trade him.

I am wondering what catering has been done for him. He got his contract but his buddies have all been traded, his coach was fired, and he is being asked to play in a structured offense. Also, in ny the media is always ready to pounce on stars.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30169
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/27/2015  7:42 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Melo is starting to remind me of marbury. Both terrific offensive talents with limitations in the other areas. Both havent been successful in postseason. Id love to trade but that contract might be tough to move

I don't think it would be hard at all to trade Melo. I think teams would absolutely jump at the chance at trading for him especially the teams that don't get any big names in free agency. He's 31 years old which isn't that old. He's not a running back in the NFL. He'll finish this contract and be a top player in the NBA for the whole contract.

Bulls would trade for Melo in a heartbeat after there playoff failure.

terrific lets do it

S&t for Butler and another piece would be the dream.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
6/27/2015  7:43 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
misterearl wrote:For my beloved Knicks to move forward, all catering to Anthony's personal whims and opinion must stop and it must stop immediately. The press is ready to pounce on his every gesture, and turn the whispers into shouts, just to sell newspapers. It is a formula for distraction to the fans, an more important, the players, who are confused about roles.

Tony Kornheiser is right. If Melo wanted to win he should have signed with Chicago. To say it ws not about the money, when it was, is dishonest, at best. The problem is Uncle Phil's to paint over, cover up or eliminate altogether.

Who really wants this same discussion into training camp? Trade him.

I am wondering what catering has been done for him. He got his contract but his buddies have all been traded, his coach was fired, and he is being asked to play in a structured offense. Also, in ny the media is always ready to pounce on stars.

Every story needs a villain..He is an easy target...There is no shame in saying that it just didn't work out...
anrst
Posts: 22707
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/7/2005
Member: #1054
USA
6/27/2015  7:44 PM
how long til a report surfaces that the bulls or rockets or lakers or cavs have inquired about melo?

10 days? 3 days?

definitely not more than 10 days.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30169
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
6/27/2015  7:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
misterearl wrote:For my beloved Knicks to move forward, all catering to Anthony's personal whims and opinion must stop and it must stop immediately. The press is ready to pounce on his every gesture, and turn the whispers into shouts, just to sell newspapers. It is a formula for distraction to the fans, an more important, the players, who are confused about roles.

Tony Kornheiser is right. If Melo wanted to win he should have signed with Chicago. To say it ws not about the money, when it was, is dishonest, at best. The problem is Uncle Phil's to paint over, cover up or eliminate altogether.

Who really wants this same discussion into training camp? Trade him.

I am wondering what catering has been done for him. He got his contract but his buddies have all been traded, his coach was fired, and he is being asked to play in a structured offense. Also, in ny the media is always ready to pounce on stars.

Phil is doing what is needed. Rebuilding the team looking to build a team that can compete for 10yrs rather then the next 3. He got 3 first round grades out of this draft. As well as a first round grade in Early from last yrs draft. There is no rule that states Melo has to be in his prime when we are contenders. Having a deeper team and reducing this responsibilities is actually the better route for achieving out ultimate goal.

Keep drafting. And make some calculated decisions in free agency.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
anrst
Posts: 22707
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/7/2005
Member: #1054
USA
6/27/2015  8:03 PM
would the clippers have interest in melo?
StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/28/2012
Member: #4451
6/27/2015  8:07 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Melo is starting to remind me of marbury. Both terrific offensive talents with limitations in the other areas. Both havent been successful in postseason. Id love to trade but that contract might be tough to move

I don't think it would be hard at all to trade Melo. I think teams would absolutely jump at the chance at trading for him especially the teams that don't get any big names in free agency. He's 31 years old which isn't that old. He's not a running back in the NFL. He'll finish this contract and be a top player in the NBA for the whole contract.

Bulls would trade for Melo in a heartbeat after there playoff failure.

terrific lets do it

S&t for Butler and another piece would be the dream.

butler is a RFA but if he wanted to come here id be thrilled.
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/3/2014
Member: #5801
6/27/2015  8:12 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I wish we had never signed him a second time. Completely wrong move.

And I wish you never have decision-making powers for the team. I definitely wanted to sign and trade Melo last season but under no circumstances should we allowed him to walk for nothing. That'd be dumb. At least now, we have the option to get some assets if he does get moved to another team.

I think the idea we can get franchise changing talent by trading a 31 year old injury risk with the worst contract in NBA history is what really is dumb. I am sad that people that think your way actually has decision making powers.

Only "assets" we would get are more one dimensional players on bad contracts that other teams want to get rid of. If you think you are getting Butler for Melo you should start sharing whatever you smoke. Must be some good ish. Letting Melo go would have given us the most flexible and of all trade assets - CAP SPACE. Lots of it. And we could have chosen what players we wanted to target.

Now we need to hope and pray some other GM is dumb enough to swallow this albatross contract and give us yet another overpaid, over the hill player with character issues. Sorry, but I don't see that as being very smart at all.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/3/2014
Member: #5801
6/27/2015  8:14 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I wish we had never signed him a second time. Completely wrong move.

And I wish you never have decision-making powers for the team. I definitely wanted to sign and trade Melo last season but under no circumstances should we allowed him to walk for nothing. That'd be dumb. At least now, we have the option to get some assets if he does get moved to another team.


But if that had happened we'd have 25 mil per year in more cap space and a better shot at Towns.

We only won 17 games regardless. Two more losses- which we were well within reach of at the end of the season- and we'd match Minnesota for worst record in the league. In spite of what happened, we still have the 2nd worst record in the league yet wound up with the 4th pick.

The beauty about having Melo is that we don't have to deal in hypotheticals. He's a star and someone will give us assets for him. And I have a sneaking suspicion that Miami would oblige for Justise Winslow and cap fodder.

IF they do they will be really stupid and last I checked Riley wasn't stupid. But I'll take that in a heartbeat and eat my words.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/3/2014
Member: #5801
6/27/2015  8:19 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

Wow - that's just pure hatred right there. Every single thing I have seen on videos and read about this kid says different. But you are entitled to your opinion. Sullinger has done very little and you don't rebuild with a bunch of late firsts, you rebuild by accumulating lottery picks and a shot at players that can really be franchise cornerstones. Something Melo was supposed to be in Denver and then here and failed to be in both places.

Is Porzingis a franchise player? Heck if I know - time will tell. But he has as good a shot of being one as any taken 4th or later. That I can live with.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
6/27/2015  8:29 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I wish we had never signed him a second time. Completely wrong move.

And I wish you never have decision-making powers for the team. I definitely wanted to sign and trade Melo last season but under no circumstances should we allowed him to walk for nothing. That'd be dumb. At least now, we have the option to get some assets if he does get moved to another team.

I think the idea we can get franchise changing talent by trading a 31 year old injury risk with the worst contract in NBA history is what really is dumb. I am sad that people that think your way actually has decision making powers.

Only "assets" we would get are more one dimensional players on bad contracts that other teams want to get rid of. If you think you are getting Butler for Melo you should start sharing whatever you smoke. Must be some good ish. Letting Melo go would have given us the most flexible and of all trade assets - CAP SPACE. Lots of it. And we could have chosen what players we wanted to target.

Now we need to hope and pray some other GM is dumb enough to swallow this albatross contract and give us yet another overpaid, over the hill player with character issues. Sorry, but I don't see that as being very smart at all.

Believe what you want to man. This isn't going to go anywhere tkf.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
6/27/2015  8:31 PM
anrst wrote:how long til a report surfaces that the bulls or rockets or lakers or cavs have inquired about melo?

10 days? 3 days?

definitely not more than 10 days.


That could really mess up the team's free agency goals. Guys aren't coming to ny to play with Gallo and Zinger.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
Page 3 of 6 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4  5 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Change The Culture: Trade Melo
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy