CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VDesai wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This one Ill disagree with. I think there were options along the perimeter that really couldve made sense. I dont think the NBA is going the way of this kind of player and we had some real chances there at 37? to really help the perimeter defense of the team. We do get a big guy and we dont have any right now--but I think there were better options.

This kid was moving way up boards. Lots of people tapped the Spurs to stash him away. Kid was playing right next or Porzingis so we got a good look for sure. I see a lot in the scouting reports that is similar to the perception of Marc Gasol when he was drafted. His skills look legit on tape.

Hes not 7 feet he doenst have long arms hes not an athlete I think he'll have trouble scoring over the length and athleticism of the NBA. I was taking Norman Powell there and to me it was a no brainer. That was a high pick Im VERY surprised we got such a high pick but this one shouldve went towards team athleticism/perimeter defense=jmho

He was projected to go around there in the draft. Another teammate of Kristaps was selected by Denver.

I dont care I dont think slow footed players are where the NBA is going. Wait until he tries to finish against NBA caliber players. This was a bust pick--no debbie downer but we need some athletes and we had a GREAT chance to get 1 and we struck out here. I bet he consistently has his shot blocked. I would say this brings the draft from a potential A to a B+. That my own opinion but it has to be graded because we gave up 2 2's to get him. Id grade the last pick an F where it was positioned.

Standing 6'11 with a 7'1.5 wingspan and a 255-pound frame, Hernangomez has nice size for a center. He's not a particularly explosive athlete, but moves fairly well for his size and has plenty of potential to continue getting stronger.

Hernangomez's physical profile, coupled with his budding offensive skill level makes him a serviceable, fairly well-rounded offensive center, even if he still has plenty of room to grow. Half of Hernangomez's possessions come from a balanced diet of post ups and rolls to rim, with another significant portion of his offensive production coming from cuts and put backs. He was the only player in the ACB to use 80 total possessions in both situations according to Synergy Sports Technology—evidence of how his ability to exploit his size and mobility helped him on the offensive end.

In the post, the near 7-footer does his best work before the catch. Able to simply bury defenders under the rim times, he makes things easy for himself inside by being physical. More than just a bully, Hernangomez possesses good touch, uses fakes well, and has a variety of moves he uses to score over either shoulder with his back to the basket. Shooting a solid, but not spectacular 44.7% from the block, he struggles to score over length at times and has plenty of room to tighten up his one-on-one scoring repertoire. Nonetheless, his footwork and the variety of moves in his arsenal leave some room for optimism about his ability to create for himself at the NBA level.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3e8gkdkNl
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BRIGGS wrote:If we wanted another big guy Rakeem Christmas was available--I mean Rakeem is longer much more athletic hes a defensive player with a burgeoning offensive game and well proven as a worker and put up BIG numbers this year. He runs the floor with good speed--I thought he was a 25 pick to be honest. I think we just took one European player---that shouldve been it. Maybe Im wrong but well see on this one--this seems like a bone to the Euro scout but we shouldve gone another direction. When Christmas is blocking his shot--youll know hat I mean.

I was watching video of this kid and he's a big strong player who is skilled. He's tough and a banger. He plays like a poor man's Marc Gasol. I think you might be underestimating how good this kid is. He's got all kinds of old school skills and BB IQ. I can see what Phil sees in him. Nothing spectacular just solid team player who gets it done. He could develop into a nice bench big.

I like Christmas. I guess Phil is mostly looking for Triangle type players. Watching him it makes total sense to me.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we wanted another big guy Rakeem Christmas was available--I mean Rakeem is longer much more athletic hes a defensive player with a burgeoning offensive game and well proven as a worker and put up BIG numbers this year. He runs the floor with good speed--I thought he was a 25 pick to be honest. I think we just took one European player---that shouldve been it. Maybe Im wrong but well see on this one--this seems like a bone to the Euro scout but we shouldve gone another direction. When Christmas is blocking his shot--youll know hat I mean.

I was watching video of this kid and he's a big strong player who is skilled. He's tough and a banger. He plays like a poor man's Marc Gasol. I think you might be underestimating how good this kid is. He's got all kinds of old school skills and BB IQ. I can see what Phil sees in him. Nothing spectacular just solid team player who gets it done. He could develop into a nice bench big.

I like Christmas. I guess Phil is mostly looking for Triangle type players. Watching him it makes total sense to me.

anything phil does makes sense to you

Hey i'm clearly explaining my points as I always do. If I was just blindly saying positive things I could understand your point, but i'm making valid points. What do you have to say to refute what i've said? Please make your points to counter what i've posted. I haven't said he's a guaranteed success. All I said was that "He could develop into a nice bench big". So WTF is the big deal?

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im looking at his video and hes slow footed plays below thw rimIf we wanted another big guy Rakeem Christmas was available--I mean Rakeem is longer much more athletic hes a defensive player with a burgeoning offensive game and well proven as a worker and put up BIG numbers this year. He runs the floor with good speed--I thought he was a 25 pick to be honest. I think we just took one European player---that shouldve been it. Maybe Im wrong but well see on this one--this seems like a bone to the Euro scout but we shouldve gone another direction. When Christmas is blocking his shot--youll know hat I mean.

I was watching video of this kid and he's a big strong player who is skilled. He's tough and a banger. He plays like a poor man's Marc Gasol. I think you might be underestimating how good this kid is. He's got all kinds of old school skills and BB IQ. I can see what Phil sees in him. Nothing spectacular just solid team player who gets it done. He could develop into a nice bench big.

I like Christmas. I guess Phil is mostly looking for Triangle type players. Watching him it makes total sense to me.

nixluva--He is no poor mans Gasol???? Gasol is a rim protecting big beyond his other skills? Hernangomez is shorter and doesnt have nearly the length of Gasol.He also turns the ball over at a VERY high rate and has a 1-4 TO to assist ratio. I dont see a mid range J. He s just a big guy who bullies in the euro league near the basket--and it appears as if he gets swatted a LOT--hence the high TO rate.What skills do you see that fit the triangle?

We need guys who can guard the perimeter and we had Norman Powell sitting there. The Cs are going to play 3 very fast guards all the time for instance. We have Jose Calderon and Schveyd--we need more athletes back there. This was a blown pick.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we wanted another big guy Rakeem Christmas was available--I mean Rakeem is longer much more athletic hes a defensive player with a burgeoning offensive game and well proven as a worker and put up BIG numbers this year. He runs the floor with good speed--I thought he was a 25 pick to be honest. I think we just took one European player---that shouldve been it. Maybe Im wrong but well see on this one--this seems like a bone to the Euro scout but we shouldve gone another direction. When Christmas is blocking his shot--youll know hat I mean.

I agree about Christmas. I think he will be an nba player for 10-12 years.

I think a pick of either Powell or Christmas not only was superior but it mightve placated some negativity. We couldve used either. If someone can point out the skills this man has to fit the triangle or what his value is over these guys who couldve been players to help right now--let me in on it. Hes not a rim protector he has no mid range game nor does he present a passing game and has a terrible TO ratio. He plays below the rim and is obviously below footed.

The NY Knick dont have a graceful potentially incredible prospect of a player--we didnt need 2. We made a solid pick with Grant and we couldve backed it up with Powell Christmas Young all 3 made a TON of sense. I feel some teams really know the 2nd round but the Knicks are not one of those teams. I think this ws more of a 50-55 pick at best.

BRIGGS wrote:This one Ill disagree with. I think there were options along the perimeter that really couldve made sense. I dont think the NBA is going the way of this kind of player and we had some real chances there at 37? to really help the perimeter defense of the team. We do get a big guy and we dont have any right now--but I think there were better options.

I value your opinion, but I'll go with the stats on this one:

Hernangomez is one of just seven players in Spanish ACB history to post a PER of 20 or better at age or younger with Stanley Roberts, Tiago Splitter, Rudy Fernandez, Ricky Rubio, Nikola Mirotic and Luis Scola on that list.

He has put up some big numbers in the 2nd highest BB League in the world next to the NBA, guy has talent. Not an über athlete for sure though.