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holfresh
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Do you have faith in Phil Jackson, the GM making decisions?
Give him time, he will lead us to the promise land...
This dude has no clue, great coach just not a GM...
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6/25/2015  10:15 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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jamp wrote:Phil got Jerian Grant for THJr...

This is why people have to be patient. I talk about it all the time. Phil is just getting started.

love the trade but calm down there nix. Still a long way to go before we are in good shape. I actually like grant more than porzingis which is a little scary but im hoping he works out

Nah man this is great!!! Kris has great upside and Jerian is ready now. Nothing wrong with this draft at all. I love Jerian and wanted to see Phil try and get him so this is PERFECT!!! We have a possible future 7'er and a guard so that's a strong start to a team right there.
had a feeling you would say that. Nix can you honestly not even think of a sliver of criticism even a crumb lol

I like what he's done. What is there to really bash? Kris in his mind was the BPA with max upside and he got Jerian who is a legit PG. This is a GREAT job. 2 years from now you could really be looking at a dynamic pair right up the middle of your team. You always want a PG and a Big. For now Melo can carry the load and we still aren't done yet. Still a lot of summer left.
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6/25/2015  10:16 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:Anyone want to change their vote?

Oh fine.

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6/25/2015  10:18 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jamp wrote:Phil got Jerian Grant for THJr...

This is why people have to be patient. I talk about it all the time. Phil is just getting started.

love the trade but calm down there nix. Still a long way to go before we are in good shape. I actually like grant more than porzingis which is a little scary but im hoping he works out

Nah man this is great!!! Kris has great upside and Jerian is ready now. Nothing wrong with this draft at all. I love Jerian and wanted to see Phil try and get him so this is PERFECT!!! We have a possible future 7'er and a guard so that's a strong start to a team right there.
had a feeling you would say that. Nix can you honestly not even think of a sliver of criticism even a crumb lol

I like what he's done. What is there to really bash? Kris in his mind was the BPA with max upside and he got Jerian who is a legit PG. This is a GREAT job. 2 years from now you could really be looking at a dynamic pair right up the middle of your team. You always want a PG and a Big. For now Melo can carry the load and we still aren't done yet. Still a lot of summer left.
im not talking about the draft. Believe me i love the grant trade even more than you.
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6/25/2015  10:18 PM
Phil knows what he wants and for that you have to have some respect. Will it work? We will see but if he continues to get players that are two way, smart,have character AND can pla, then he will succeed.
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6/25/2015  10:20 PM
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6/25/2015  10:21 PM
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?
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6/25/2015  10:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  10:28 PM
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

Where was Darko picked??..Honestly, the kid is 220 lbs soaking wet...He will make Frank Kaminsky look like Dwight Howard...Get ready for a lot of this..



Doesn't matter anyway, I'm a Knick fan...This goes with the territory..
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6/25/2015  10:27 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jamp wrote:Phil got Jerian Grant for THJr...

This is why people have to be patient. I talk about it all the time. Phil is just getting started.

love the trade but calm down there nix. Still a long way to go before we are in good shape. I actually like grant more than porzingis which is a little scary but im hoping he works out

Nah man this is great!!! Kris has great upside and Jerian is ready now. Nothing wrong with this draft at all. I love Jerian and wanted to see Phil try and get him so this is PERFECT!!! We have a possible future 7'er and a guard so that's a strong start to a team right there.
had a feeling you would say that. Nix can you honestly not even think of a sliver of criticism even a crumb lol

I like what he's done. What is there to really bash? Kris in his mind was the BPA with max upside and he got Jerian who is a legit PG. This is a GREAT job. 2 years from now you could really be looking at a dynamic pair right up the middle of your team. You always want a PG and a Big. For now Melo can carry the load and we still aren't done yet. Still a lot of summer left.
im not talking about the draft. Believe me i love the grant trade even more than you.

I didn't want Kris. I wanted WCS but Phil feels Kris was the BPA. I respect that and hope he's right. I loved Jerian Grant and was hoping we could get him somehow with a 2nd pick. I didn't know if he could do it but he found a way. IMO so far a great draft. Both players have significant talent. I can't knock what he's done.
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6/25/2015  10:28 PM
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk
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6/25/2015  10:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  10:30 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk

He is a big gamble.. U can't run an organization where every move is a big gamble..U end up winning 17 games...Phil has 11 rings and 60 mil in the bank..If it doesn't work out then hey...
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6/25/2015  10:30 PM
He's got my vote 100% after that trade.
The Future is Bright!
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6/25/2015  10:31 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk

Phil is basically saying he believes they can get him to maximize his talent. Phil isn't saying much right now cuz he has to at least wait to see the kid in Summer League and camp but he has to believe the Kid can realize his potential. Risking that much you have to have a really big faith in the kid.
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6/25/2015  10:32 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jamp wrote:Phil got Jerian Grant for THJr...

This is why people have to be patient. I talk about it all the time. Phil is just getting started.

love the trade but calm down there nix. Still a long way to go before we are in good shape. I actually like grant more than porzingis which is a little scary but im hoping he works out

Nah man this is great!!! Kris has great upside and Jerian is ready now. Nothing wrong with this draft at all. I love Jerian and wanted to see Phil try and get him so this is PERFECT!!! We have a possible future 7'er and a guard so that's a strong start to a team right there.
had a feeling you would say that. Nix can you honestly not even think of a sliver of criticism even a crumb lol

I like what he's done. What is there to really bash? Kris in his mind was the BPA with max upside and he got Jerian who is a legit PG. This is a GREAT job. 2 years from now you could really be looking at a dynamic pair right up the middle of your team. You always want a PG and a Big. For now Melo can carry the load and we still aren't done yet. Still a lot of summer left.
im not talking about the draft. Believe me i love the grant trade even more than you.

I didn't want Kris. I wanted WCS but Phil feels Kris was the BPA. I respect that and hope he's right. I loved Jerian Grant and was hoping we could get him somehow with a 2nd pick. I didn't know if he could do it but he found a way. IMO so far a great draft. Both players have significant talent. I can't knock what he's done.

you aint listening nix. Im not knocking his draft. Love the grant move. I dont love kris but i dont hate it either. Im big on proving yourself before getting praise. Tonight phil has done pretty good but he still has a ways to go. If he does well in free agency and the knicks improve then he will bet praised
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6/25/2015  10:33 PM
At one point I was saying I would rather just draft Jerian Grant at four than Frank Kaminsky. So I have to give Phil credit. He got a great guard for the Triangle and also a project with upside. I won't root against Porzingis - I hope he is very good here. I don't see it yet, but I am not a scout.

Overall, a solid draft so far. Hopefully we can get another pick and get Kevin Looney.

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6/25/2015  10:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk

He is a big gamble.. U can't run an organization where every move is a big gamble..U end up winning 17 games...Phil has 11 rings and 60 mil in the bank..If it doesn't work out then hey...

agreed holfresh. He is a very big gamble. Phil is praying he is closer to dirk than darko because it turns out to be a bust we are screwed
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6/25/2015  10:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk

He is a big gamble.. U can't run an organization where every move is a big gamble..U end up winning 17 games...Phil has 11 rings and 60 mil in the bank..If it doesn't work out then hey...


You do realize that the Knicks scouted this kid HARD. He's gotta have a very strong feeling that this kid is legit and will reach his potential. You can't foretell the future but I believe Phil is confident in the kids talent.
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6/25/2015  10:35 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk

Again, how is he any more of a risk than any other guy. Most of these guys don't pan out as expected year in and year out. You can't make a foundatuonal claim that this was a bad pick without even seeing the guy play or it just validates that your opinion is meaningless.
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6/25/2015  10:37 PM
foosballnick wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

fans are allowed to have opinions. True he was projected top 5-6 but even his supporters stressed that he is a project who is high reward but high risk

Again, how is he any more of a risk than any other guy. Most of these guys don't pan out as expected year in and year out. You can't make a foundatuonal claim that this was a bad pick without even seeing the guy play or it just validates that your opinion is meaningless.

Agree. The draft sites both had him at 4 today and he went up to 3 a couple of days ago.
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6/25/2015  10:37 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jamp wrote:Phil got Jerian Grant for THJr...

This is why people have to be patient. I talk about it all the time. Phil is just getting started.

love the trade but calm down there nix. Still a long way to go before we are in good shape. I actually like grant more than porzingis which is a little scary but im hoping he works out

Nah man this is great!!! Kris has great upside and Jerian is ready now. Nothing wrong with this draft at all. I love Jerian and wanted to see Phil try and get him so this is PERFECT!!! We have a possible future 7'er and a guard so that's a strong start to a team right there.
had a feeling you would say that. Nix can you honestly not even think of a sliver of criticism even a crumb lol

I like what he's done. What is there to really bash? Kris in his mind was the BPA with max upside and he got Jerian who is a legit PG. This is a GREAT job. 2 years from now you could really be looking at a dynamic pair right up the middle of your team. You always want a PG and a Big. For now Melo can carry the load and we still aren't done yet. Still a lot of summer left.
im not talking about the draft. Believe me i love the grant trade even more than you.

I didn't want Kris. I wanted WCS but Phil feels Kris was the BPA. I respect that and hope he's right. I loved Jerian Grant and was hoping we could get him somehow with a 2nd pick. I didn't know if he could do it but he found a way. IMO so far a great draft. Both players have significant talent. I can't knock what he's done.

you aint listening nix. Im not knocking his draft. Love the grant move. I dont love kris but i dont hate it either. Im big on proving yourself before getting praise. Tonight phil has done pretty good but he still has a ways to go. If he does well in free agency and the knicks improve then he will bet praised

That's fine but i'm saying that for tonight Phil did a great job!!! I don't care how you want to describe what he did tonight, but for me he did a great job so far with this draft. This isn't about FA or his entire body of work for this summer just for the DRAFT!!! Just based on what he did tonight it's a great job.
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6/25/2015  10:38 PM
Every pick is risky. Do you trust in your basketball knowledge, or the guy that's won 11 championships? I guess the saying haters gonna hate comes to mind. Cause this night just went as good as I could've hoped. Got 2 guys who WANT to be Knicks, that does so much more for our team...getting rid of the losing energy. We got our 2 rooks, now let's go get some vets and some more young guys in free agency and finish up this squad.
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