BRIGGS wrote:

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WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:briggs, the ultimate Knicks local drunk lmao. How are you so sure that a guy slotted to be picked outside the top 10 will be the Knicks pick at 4, along with another guy out the top 10 in Kaminsky. You change your mind more than a girl in forever 22 brah. Take a Xanax and try not to start more than 10 threads between now and Thursday about your "final" mock draft. We're going Mudiay or Porzingis...unless somehow okafor or Russell fall in our lap. Mudiay will be a star for the Knicks, as long as Jackson somehow has the balls to fire Fisher...who is afraid to stand up to melo. And we NEED a coach willing to stand up to melo, for our coach to gain respect.

I hate to break it to you--but eIve liked Kaminsky longer than anyone her and my original thoughts of months ago--of trading down to get Kaminsky and perhaps 2-3 extra picks. Ive also said that I think the "Knicks" like WCS and I believe that is their main target based on what I heard PJ say long ago.

Anyone who thinks we are drafting Mudiay is off. Not saying what he can cant do--but I feel confidant he wont be a Knick.

If it was my choice I think Id lean slightly towards Porzingis over Kaminsky. Im not a big of fan of WCS as I think the Knicks are but we need a C. Its one of those 3 with a huge lean towards Stein(what i think the Knicks will do) despite his mock average right now of 11+.

Ummmmmmm no you haven't like Kaminsky longer than anyone here. You just talked about him and made many threads about him on here and you're on here more than anyone else on here. I'm pretty sure there's many people on here that have liked him from the beginning just not at the 4th pick and i'm one of them but just cause you're on here talking about him every single day doesn't mean you've liked him longer.

Right go back and check that 1--I think you will find what Im saying is true.

I don't need to go back and check to see if you've liked Kaminsky longer than i have cause i know i've been a fan before the college year was even over so there's no way at all you can say you've liked him longer than me.

Have you started 1 post where you said you liked Kamnisky for our pick dating back to April--even 1? Show me one post where you say Id be fine taking him at 4? Ive stated I would take him at 4 if need be. This is a good draft many players are good. But there are only like 4-5 people on either of these boards that like Frank Kaminsky AND willing to take him at 4.

callmened wrote:i have absolutely no idea who we will pick or trade

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Knicks1969 wrote:

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newyorker4ever wrote:I'm one of the few that actually is in favor of a trade down whether it's to get a veteran player and a later lottery pick or if it's for multiple picks. If we could trade down and bring back one of T.Lawson or K.Faried and still get that 7th pick i'm all for it.

Dude you want Lawson??? I thought you were better then that... We need two way players not a volume shooter

Lawson can play in the triangle and i don't see dropping from 4 to 7 that big a drop in this draft especially since i don't think Phil wants a Mudiay or Porzingis. A big name free agent would also look at coming and teaming up with a Melo and Lawson or Faried more than he would at just Melo. I'm not in love with Lawson but i definitely see him as a asset.

I would take Faried, 7th pick and a second rounder. They can keep Lawson.

Faried would be nice to have down low especially if we end up signing Monroe.

Faried is not a bad player but he's not a good defender and he's owed 11 to 13 millions until 2018/19.

As for the pick, even if it's a reach at 4th, I would take WCS but I think we'll end up with Mudiay which is not so bad.

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BRIGGS wrote:

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WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:briggs, the ultimate Knicks local drunk lmao. How are you so sure that a guy slotted to be picked outside the top 10 will be the Knicks pick at 4, along with another guy out the top 10 in Kaminsky. You change your mind more than a girl in forever 22 brah. Take a Xanax and try not to start more than 10 threads between now and Thursday about your "final" mock draft. We're going Mudiay or Porzingis...unless somehow okafor or Russell fall in our lap. Mudiay will be a star for the Knicks, as long as Jackson somehow has the balls to fire Fisher...who is afraid to stand up to melo. And we NEED a coach willing to stand up to melo, for our coach to gain respect.

I hate to break it to you--but eIve liked Kaminsky longer than anyone her and my original thoughts of months ago--of trading down to get Kaminsky and perhaps 2-3 extra picks. Ive also said that I think the "Knicks" like WCS and I believe that is their main target based on what I heard PJ say long ago.

Anyone who thinks we are drafting Mudiay is off. Not saying what he can cant do--but I feel confidant he wont be a Knick.

If it was my choice I think Id lean slightly towards Porzingis over Kaminsky. Im not a big of fan of WCS as I think the Knicks are but we need a C. Its one of those 3 with a huge lean towards Stein(what i think the Knicks will do) despite his mock average right now of 11+.

Ummmmmmm no you haven't like Kaminsky longer than anyone here. You just talked about him and made many threads about him on here and you're on here more than anyone else on here. I'm pretty sure there's many people on here that have liked him from the beginning just not at the 4th pick and i'm one of them but just cause you're on here talking about him every single day doesn't mean you've liked him longer.

Right go back and check that 1--I think you will find what Im saying is true.

I don't need to go back and check to see if you've liked Kaminsky longer than i have cause i know i've been a fan before the college year was even over so there's no way at all you can say you've liked him longer than me.

Have you started 1 post where you said you liked Kamnisky for our pick dating back to April--even 1? Show me one post where you say Id be fine taking him at 4? Ive stated I would take him at 4 if need be. This is a good draft many players are good. But there are only like 4-5 people on either of these boards that like Frank Kaminsky AND willing to take him at 4.

Do you just read the parts you want to read in other posts cause if you read my post and you can do it slowly if that's what you need to do to get the whole thing read you'll see that i said that i thought 4 was to high for him but i have still been a fan from the beginning. So you go read my post again and do it SLOWLY so you can get every word in.

Im sorry I could not find one post started by you that stated we should take Frank Kaminsky and there is nothing that states you would be willing to take him at 4. Also you seem to like every pick. I can see why you would like many picks--this is a good draft from 1-10 but you hedge VERY hard on Kaminsky as in not 1 thread started not willing to take him at 4 and in two post you said you'd like to look at other prospects even drafting back to 9 OTHER than Kaminsky. Im not going to argue with you like you seem to want to argue with me? But whatever.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

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WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:briggs, the ultimate Knicks local drunk lmao. How are you so sure that a guy slotted to be picked outside the top 10 will be the Knicks pick at 4, along with another guy out the top 10 in Kaminsky. You change your mind more than a girl in forever 22 brah. Take a Xanax and try not to start more than 10 threads between now and Thursday about your "final" mock draft. We're going Mudiay or Porzingis...unless somehow okafor or Russell fall in our lap. Mudiay will be a star for the Knicks, as long as Jackson somehow has the balls to fire Fisher...who is afraid to stand up to melo. And we NEED a coach willing to stand up to melo, for our coach to gain respect.

I hate to break it to you--but eIve liked Kaminsky longer than anyone her and my original thoughts of months ago--of trading down to get Kaminsky and perhaps 2-3 extra picks. Ive also said that I think the "Knicks" like WCS and I believe that is their main target based on what I heard PJ say long ago.

Anyone who thinks we are drafting Mudiay is off. Not saying what he can cant do--but I feel confidant he wont be a Knick.

If it was my choice I think Id lean slightly towards Porzingis over Kaminsky. Im not a big of fan of WCS as I think the Knicks are but we need a C. Its one of those 3 with a huge lean towards Stein(what i think the Knicks will do) despite his mock average right now of 11+.

Ummmmmmm no you haven't like Kaminsky longer than anyone here. You just talked about him and made many threads about him on here and you're on here more than anyone else on here. I'm pretty sure there's many people on here that have liked him from the beginning just not at the 4th pick and i'm one of them but just cause you're on here talking about him every single day doesn't mean you've liked him longer.

Right go back and check that 1--I think you will find what Im saying is true.

I don't need to go back and check to see if you've liked Kaminsky longer than i have cause i know i've been a fan before the college year was even over so there's no way at all you can say you've liked him longer than me.

Have you started 1 post where you said you liked Kamnisky for our pick dating back to April--even 1? Show me one post where you say Id be fine taking him at 4? Ive stated I would take him at 4 if need be. This is a good draft many players are good. But there are only like 4-5 people on either of these boards that like Frank Kaminsky AND willing to take him at 4.

Do you just read the parts you want to read in other posts cause if you read my post and you can do it slowly if that's what you need to do to get the whole thing read you'll see that i said that i thought 4 was to high for him but i have still been a fan from the beginning. So you go read my post again and do it SLOWLY so you can get every word in.

Im sorry I could not find one post started by you that stated we should take Frank Kaminsky and there is nothing that states you would be willing to take him at 4. Also you seem to like every pick. I can see why you would like many picks--this is a good draft from 1-10 but you hedge VERY hard on Kaminsky as in not 1 thread started not willing to take him at 4 and in two post you said you'd like to look at other prospects even drafting back to 9 OTHER than Kaminsky. Im not going to argue with you like you seem to want to argue with me? But whatever.

Did you just say that i seem to like every pick??? Hahahahahha your life obviously revolves around a message board since you spend so much time on them making threads and posts but you've liked every player in the draft besides WCS and have made a case for us drafting everyone but WCS. I'm sure you've done that so you can start many "i told you so" threads after the draft cause there's only one player in the draft that you don't like lol. I don't care enough to go back and look through threads but i've clearly said on many occasions that i wouldn't mind us drafting Kaminsky but i think 4 is high for him so i'd rather he trade down a couple spots and draft him.

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tj23 wrote:I'm guessing Justise Winslow right now. Phil WAS talking about taking a big but now he has been talking about switching it up. I personally want Mudiay but I am predicting Winslow.

Id be very surprised. He talked about a mature game. Im not sure Winslow even knows what he is. He played 4 in college and is not a great shooter at 6-5. I think he is a good ballhandler but nothing special and well have to wait and see if he can take guys off the dribble. Hes not a polished player. We just traded away a guard who wasnt the best shooter at5 6-5 220 Iman Shumpert.

Out of curiosity, what aspect of WCS's game is mature that makes you think he the odds on favorite to be selected? I've personally never seen a player of his caliber have extended periods at the college level where he was unguarded, but couldn't take advantage.

That is a good question. Im going on Phill past statements of wanting a young Tyson Chandler.

Briggs you're obsessing over remarks Jackson made on April 3rd. Before the Final Four was even played. You think NOTHING he's seen since then has changed his mind? I sort of doubt that's true.

For the record, I think we're taking Porzingis. Phil's clumsy attempt to act like he got injured in a workout just stuck out like a sore thumb too much to me.

If it's Porzingis, I'll be very disappointed, but will try to keep an open mind.

Phil will not draft that kid. If he does, it will be because he plans to trade him for multiple assets later.

So which one is it?

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tj23 wrote:I'm guessing Justise Winslow right now. Phil WAS talking about taking a big but now he has been talking about switching it up. I personally want Mudiay but I am predicting Winslow.

Id be very surprised. He talked about a mature game. Im not sure Winslow even knows what he is. He played 4 in college and is not a great shooter at 6-5. I think he is a good ballhandler but nothing special and well have to wait and see if he can take guys off the dribble. Hes not a polished player. We just traded away a guard who wasnt the best shooter at5 6-5 220 Iman Shumpert.

Out of curiosity, what aspect of WCS's game is mature that makes you think he the odds on favorite to be selected? I've personally never seen a player of his caliber have extended periods at the college level where he was unguarded, but couldn't take advantage.

That is a good question. Im going on Phill past statements of wanting a young Tyson Chandler.

Briggs you're obsessing over remarks Jackson made on April 3rd. Before the Final Four was even played. You think NOTHING he's seen since then has changed his mind? I sort of doubt that's true.

For the record, I think we're taking Porzingis. Phil's clumsy attempt to act like he got injured in a workout just stuck out like a sore thumb too much to me.

If it's Porzingis, I'll be very disappointed, but will try to keep an open mind.

cryz how are Phils comments about Porzingis hurting his thumb(thus is our pick) is any different from hearing him say he wants a young Tyson Chandler???(and me interpretating WCS?)
I m hoping that we get either Kaminsky or Porzingis--or a possible drop from Russell. I DO NOT want Mudiay--the overwhelming majority lovefest. I do NOT think we are taking mudaiy--to young--or Winslow--game is not defined--Hezonja looks great but probably not for the triangle(but I personally like him)
The only choices that we will make IMHO are either WCS Kaminsky and or Porzingis--we are taking a big unless Russell falls. Well find out tomorrow i guess.

Moonangie wrote:If the chips fall as expected (Towns, OK4, Russell) then my guess is we take either Mudiay or Zinger. If Phil takes WCS with #4, he will lose SO much respect from everyone (fans, league execs, Dolan?, players) as it would be a misuse of such a valuable asset. If he wants WCS so bad, he needs to find a team with whom to trade down.

Stunned if we take Mudiay- didn't Phil make some comment about Chinese ball at one point that was not positive.

He was not coached much over there- from what I heard they let the American players do their thing for the most part.

Of the 4 players I like, 3 of them are well coached IMO- Porzingis, Kaminsky, and Winslow. Not sure about Ohio State, but with Russell, that is not an issue for me.

Mudiay went to the one league where he could do his thing with minimal supervision. He chose the easy way to go, and did the same thing in his choice of a HS.

I think we would all have different feelings about him if he had played for Larry Brown.

We all know the Wisconsin/Duke programs, and how good their coaches are, and Porzingis was being trained by coaches over there and was also playing with former NBA players.

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tj23 wrote:I'm guessing Justise Winslow right now. Phil WAS talking about taking a big but now he has been talking about switching it up. I personally want Mudiay but I am predicting Winslow.

Id be very surprised. He talked about a mature game. Im not sure Winslow even knows what he is. He played 4 in college and is not a great shooter at 6-5. I think he is a good ballhandler but nothing special and well have to wait and see if he can take guys off the dribble. Hes not a polished player. We just traded away a guard who wasnt the best shooter at5 6-5 220 Iman Shumpert.

Out of curiosity, what aspect of WCS's game is mature that makes you think he the odds on favorite to be selected? I've personally never seen a player of his caliber have extended periods at the college level where he was unguarded, but couldn't take advantage.

That is a good question. Im going on Phill past statements of wanting a young Tyson Chandler.

You watch him disappear in big games and do things a HS kid would not do, you watch his team have its best finish while he was injured, and then, in the biggest game of his life, he does not show up to play, but then you hear guys talking about the amazing jumper he will now be hitting on a regular basis in the NBA, and his Rodman like rebounding.

Funny- in that horrible interview he did he talked about all the scoring he would have done on a "trash" team- but it is more likely that his flaws as a player would have been more exposed, and not covered up by having a team full of NBA draft picks surrounding him, including some of the best bigs to come out of the NCAA.

Guys talk about the hype for Porzingis, but nobody has benefited from hype like WCS- the blocks, the jams off the break, the tattoos and the colored hair- nobody has benefitted from hype more than Stein.

My head tells me that there is no way Jackson would take Stein, but there is still that gut fear-the fear that we will take a one-way player who has never showed the kind of consistency and advanced game Jackson wants from a big.

Finestrg wrote:Not sure about percentages but here's how I feel:

If Okafor or Russell happen to be there, he's gotta take either guy and I'd be ECSTATIC (esp. if it's Russell). 100%.

If it's Porzingis (I feel a strong 50% or better -- Phil was in attendance for the Vegas workout and it was reported we just brought him in for a private one too), I'll be very happy -- I agree, guys like this don't grow on trees. MAD TALL with impressive skills, liked what I've heard in interviews and the recent measurements are better than what we all thought even a week ago -- 7'2" 230. I can work with that. -snip-

I'll also be very happy if we decided to make a sensible trade (say 50% on this too, despite what Phil said recently about there being a 5% chance we move the pick--not sure I believe that)-snip-

And of course, I'd be happy with a quality 2nd round pickup or two -- two guys I'd love to see us add: Joe Young and Pat Connaughton, two additions that would go a long way in strengthening our backcourt as a whole. Opportunistic SL invites based on the best of the leftovers after 60 will put a big smile on my face as well.

About the only thing I will question is Willie Cauley-Stein, esp. at 4. Here's my few concerns with Stein: (1) He's an attractive player for his size and defense, no doubt, but I look at him as a role player. At 4, I want either a crack at a star or value back in a sensible trade. Not really looking for a role player there. -snip- And (3) I'm sorry but this latest bit of info. concerning Stein's ankle is a legit concern for me.

There's lots of reasons to be optimistic. Three quarters of top dozen players will likely turn into decent NBA players, so chances are good that we get somebody good.

When Phil talked about the chances of a trade saying "5% or whatever you pay in taxes". My tax bracket is about 40%. If we keep the pick its Mud or Zinger.

With Ellis and Aflalo both on the market and Carroll looking to sign, I think Winslow gets ruled out as overkill.

As for Stein, I think he drops out of the first round and the announcers sit around wondering why. His health issues regarding his healing process may be more severe than anyone is letting on. For the Knicks to take any player with an injury history is social suicide given the past two decades of roster debilitation. Stein you take a chance on in the second-round if he's in free fall.

The second rounder (tbd) will be the positional opposite of who we take early. I think PGs and bigmen are on the agenda.

http://bowdoinorient.com/article/7604

He's played against Porzingis and Hezonja.

Called Porzingis is the real deal, and made the Dirk comparison. Prides himself on his D, and talked about guarding him at one point and being afraid of Porzingis going around him, and then Porzingis does a few jab steps and finishes with a fall back jumper that he said 7 foot kids just don't make.

He has played in different divisions in Spain and says the one he's in now is probably better than the NCAA.

His feeling is that Porzingis will be an all star in a few years and I think he was surprised a people who think he cannot compete here.

He is a New York boy and a big time Knicks fan. Told Lupica the he really hopes that the Knicks take him at 4.