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earthmansurfer
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6/24/2015  10:06 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Not going…have never gone, but I would never boo any pick, even if I hated it. Might turn to a friend and say WTF, but why throw out hate at a player who has to walk up to the stage on the biggest night of his life, when he is not at fault for being picked where he is, while the folks who made the choice are sitting in a room somewhere not really caring what they hear.

Always believe in giving any young player time to develop. Guys around here talk about rebuilding and developing young players, but many don't have the patience for it, and that is why this team has been so terrible over the years.

Really hoping that Russell somehow drops to us. I think he can energize the franchise. Never expected that there was even a chance he might be available, but now he's in the "you never know" category. Many say he's the perfect guard to run the triangle- it will be a steal if we get him.

Would be very happy with Porzingis or Kaminsky, and also happy with Winslow, and I believe one of these 3 will be taken on Thursday if Russell is gone.

Winslow is a competitor with a lot talent and even more pride and drive. Didn't like that foolish "branding" comment he made, but he can give you a lot of things to work with, and might become our Lebron neutralizer if we get him.

Kaminsky is the most underrated guy in the draft, but I think Phil likes him, and he's a guy who can play well in the Triangle and any other system out there. Continues to get better each year and he's smart.

Porzingis has more experience than almost any player in the draft, and the last two years he's played against and with grown men. Phil actually talked about this in his press conference, if anyone was actually able to hear the clip. If you are doing a true rebuild, he is the guy you take, but I've watched as much or more video of him than anyone, including the full games available, and if you think he can't contribute next year you are fooling yourself. He will get banged around, and needs added weight, but he has a much more polished game than many think, and he's a lot tougher than given credit for around here. I posted photos of some of the other thinner players who came into the league and became great, and he is not that different than they were at his age. Like OK4, his body has not yet matured, but its only a matter of time. I've seen him make some shots that few legit 7+ foot players have ever made with his fluency, and I've also seen a 7'1" kid who got beat at the foul line by a guard recover to block the shot.

Going on too much…here's part of an article about him a few days ago to close things out...

...After becoming fluent in English with a slight accent, after the experience of playing in Spain's ACB as the second-best league in the world and after Kyle Lowry was telling people at Impact a year ago he would not show up the next day unless Porzingis was on his team -- is that it is impossible to imagine an international prospect through the years more prepared for the NBA jump. Others have been stronger and more ready for the mosh pit life of the power forward who will have to rebound and defend inside no matter how good he is with the ball. Others have had the experience in the Olympics or world championships that provided scouting opportunities against the U.S. talent he will face three or four times a week in the future. But no one has the background of having left his family five years ago to play in Spain and the competition he got there.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/06/19/latvian-bigman-porzingis-ready-made-for-nba-play/

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-porzingis-has-big-fan-in-landry/article_9b1c9627-16ea-53e8-ad4e-812344d9048f.html

Especially nice 2nd link there Walt. I'll make it easy for all to see. Unless Carl Landry is lying, Porzingis is a very special player. I take him for his word here, I don't think it is nepotism like. Really look at what Landry is saying. We have scouted him heavily and if this is true we are taking him at 3. He is too much of a talent (unless Russel or the like slides and even then I'd take who I think is going to be special.)

BUCKS BEAT Porzingis has big fan in Landry

They have already become household names to even the casual basketball fan.

Jahlil Okafor.

Karl-Anthony Towns.

D’Angelo Russell.

Each of the aforementioned individuals received much notoriety for their accomplishments as college players and are locks to be among the top players chosen in Thursday night’s NBA draft.

And then there’s Kristaps Porzingis. He too will be one of the first players to have his name announced to an international television audience by NBA commissioner Adam Silver.

Yet, unless you’re an NBA official or a hard-core draftnik, you probably aren’t going to know much about Porzingis, a 7-foot Latvian who has been plying his craft overseas.

Marcus Landry, the former University of Wisconsin standout who played in Spain last season, feels that is unfortunate.

“It sad nobody really knows much about this kid right now because he played in Spain,’’ Landry said. “I think this kid is amazing.’’

If anyone should know Porzingis’ skill-set and personality, it’s Landry. He and Porzingis were teammates two seasons ago with Cajasol Sevilla. Landry also played against Porzingis last season when the 6-7 Landry started for Caragaoda in Spain.

In Landry’s opinion, Porzingis is as talented as anyone in the draft.

“Honestly, I think Kristaps should be the No. 1 pick if you’re going to base it off potential,’’ Landry said. “I personally think he’s the best kid in the draft. And I’m not saying that because he’s a friend of mine.

“I know basketball. I’ve been in the NBA; I’ve been around NBA players. I’d tell you if he sucks. But he’s really good. If he goes beyond No. 2, that would be a mistake on some team’s part.’’

Landry, who played for the New York Knicks and Boston Celtics during the 2009-2010 season and has been playing mostly overseas since, was asked to compare Porzingis to a current NBA player.

It didn’t take him long to respond.

“That’s very hard to do,’’ Landry said. “To me, there’s no one in the NBA like him. No one. But, if I had to compare him to anybody based on his potential, I would say — maybe he’s not going to fill it up as much — it would be Kevin Durant. He’s very much KD like.

“I know that’s saying a lot. But Kristaps can shoot over guys, he can put the ball on the floor for a big guy, he can pass well. Things Kevin Durant can do.’’

That shouldn’t be construed as Landry believing Porzingis will be the second coming of Durant. But Landry is convinced Porzingis will become a household name in a few years.

“He’s easily an All-Star type player. Easily,’’ Landry said. “He has the potential to be a great player.’’

While Porzingis will most certainly be playing in the Association next season, Landry hopes to as well. After his stints with New York and Boston, he’s come close to making the rosters for the Sacramento Kings and Los Angeles Lakers in recent years.

Landry and his wife, Esueka, have been married nine years and have three children. They have traveled the world with stops in China, Venezuela, Puerto Rico and Spain.

Now, the 29-year-old Landry is hoping to find work much closer to home.

“I’m still pursuing playing in the NBA again,’’ said Landry, an excellent perimeter shooter who won the NBA D-League Three Point Shootout in 2013. “A couple of teams have shown interest in me and have talked to my agent (Keith Kreiter).

“But, to be honest with you, I would love to come back home and play for the Bucks. I love it here. I went to Vincent and I stayed home and played at Wisconsin. Playing for the Bucks ... that’s been a dream of mine. I think that would be huge playing for the Bucks and being able to help out even more in my community.

“We’ll see. If God says so, it’ll happen.’’

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6/24/2015  11:44 AM
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fishmike wrote:Porzingis would be a nice piece moving forward. Anyone who thinks this is another euro stiff looking to collect NBA dollars hasnt done an ounce of research. He comes from a hoops family. He loves the game. He's a gym rat. You know what he said excited him about the NBA? The option to workout at anytime.
He's also not that skinny. Tay Prince was skinny. Pozingis is long. He's not weak.

The other thing is he did a private workout for the Knicks, and although he had cramps and wasnt able to finish the whole sequence, he did finish the athletic part, so if the Knicks take him they know exactly what kind of athlete he is.

I don't think anybody accused any euro players of being lazy or stiffs. The truth is most euro players(who are very talented) who are taken high don't end up working out. Im not saying Porzingis will be bad but IMO its more risky than some of the others like mudiay or winslow
thats perception and not reality. Go read the international articles on draftexpress. Euro's have yielded better results than their US counterparts.

Also very few international guys have been taken very high, and a few were clearly reaches. Only 11 international players have ben taken in the top 10.
2006 1 TOR Andrea Bargnani
2003 2 DET Darko Milicic
2001 3 ATL Pau Gasol
2011 5 TOR Jonas Valanciunas
2009 5 MIN Ricky Rubio
2002 5 DEN Nikoloz Tskitishvili
2008 6 NYK Danilo Gallinari
2011 6 WAS Jan Vesely
2011 7 SAC Bismack Biyombo
1998 9 MIL Dirk Nowitzki
2006 10 SEA Saer Sene

Also KP has played with men in the pros and has a body of work there that is very solid.

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6/24/2015  12:21 PM
Just have to trust Jackson on this stuff. He's done his due diligence as far as bringing players in.

I wish we were in a true rebuild, with all of our picks available in the future. If we were, there would be no argument over taking Porzingis.

But even in the situation we are now facing…why would you not want to let Porzingis play the roles we had Jason Smith or Bargs play last year? Does anyone really think that he won't be better than those guys by the end of the year?

We're not getting Aldridge, and if you pick up Monroe, Porzingis would be the perfect between Anthony and Monroe, and he has enough off the ball shot blocking ability to help both of them on the defensive end.

He does enough right now to play 20+ minutes, and has as much upside as any player in this draft.

Not saying we should pick up Monroe, but I've been simply amazed by guys who profess to have some knowledge of the Triangle, but believe you can have a front line of Anthony, Monroe, and Stein, an offensive stiff his entire career who has rarely ever been featured as an offensive player in 3 years of college ball.

Hope he takes the Latvian, think he might take Kaminsky, which would be great, and if he thinks Winslow is the real deal, I will accept his decision, but you really hope that he takes the BPA, and not the MRP- most ready player, which is what I fear he might do.

Maybe we really get lucky and Russell drops.

At least we'll know all the answers by tomorrow night.

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Kris Porzingis says NYK is best organization in NBA. Also can handle spotlight in NY. Did pro day in LV, visited NY:

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6/24/2015  1:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2015  1:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
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Kris Porzingis says NYK is best organization in NBA. Also can handle spotlight in NY. Did pro day in LV, visited NY:


Geez, Briggs, I don't know. Maybe he's not as intelligent as I thought.
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6/24/2015  1:19 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:
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Kris Porzingis says NYK is best organization in NBA. Also can handle spotlight in NY. Did pro day in LV, visited NY:


Geez, Briggs, I don't know. Maybe he's not as intelligent as I thought.

Well I think he wants to play in NY. He mustve had some kind of feedback to say that as he is jocking other teams.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2503128-2015-nba-draft-why-kristaps-porzingis-nba-draft-stock-is-rising
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6/24/2015  1:45 PM
nixluva wrote:NY would eat this kid alive. Let's just be honest. This city does not have the patience and never has had the patience to wait 2 to 3 years for this kid to develop. He'll have all kinds of pressure to perform being a 1st rd pick. He would be ruined by the pressure here. It's too much to ask IMO. I went back and looked at his workout video and he is so skinny. He's not ready now and who knows how long it will take for him to be ready.

I want him but I agree with this too. Especially after what we dealt with with Bargnani

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6/24/2015  1:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:
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Kris Porzingis says NYK is best organization in NBA. Also can handle spotlight in NY. Did pro day in LV, visited NY:


Geez, Briggs, I don't know. Maybe he's not as intelligent as I thought.

Well I think he wants to play in NY. He mustve had some kind of feedback to say that as he is jocking other teams.


If Phil and his staff feel he's the pick then so be it. They have all the info and direct comparison. Also talking to the players at length. It's not like he's a scrub and we're reaching. It's about his ability to contribute and how confident they are that he'll develop into the best player we could get at #4. Knicks are in a good spot IMO. Still a lot of worthy prospects when they pick.
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6/24/2015  2:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
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Kris Porzingis says NYK is best organization in NBA. Also can handle spotlight in NY. Did pro day in LV, visited NY:


Geez, Briggs, I don't know. Maybe he's not as intelligent as I thought.

Well I think he wants to play in NY. He mustve had some kind of feedback to say that as he is jocking other teams.

Hahn had a good story about Dell Curry- who was really wanted his boy to play with the Knicks. He was in contact with him a lot at that time. He really wanted S Curry to play with MDA.

Curry's people actually told GS he did not want to play there and would not work out for them. GS basically said- "we don't care-we know what you can do"

Everyone thought GS was going big, and when Minny took Flynn, they were positive that the Knicks would get Curry.

After the draft Hahn sent a text message to Dell about the whole ordeal. The dad never responded.

As far as I'm concerned we are in good shape, and we might still get Russell if Hinkie is a fool and passes on him for another big.


Pretty nerve racking, and I go back and forth worrying about what might happen, but hopefully something good comes out of this whole ordeal.

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6/24/2015  6:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
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Kris Porzingis says NYK is best organization in NBA. Also can handle spotlight in NY. Did pro day in LV, visited NY:


Geez, Briggs, I don't know. Maybe he's not as intelligent as I thought.

Well I think he wants to play in NY. He mustve had some kind of feedback to say that as he is jocking other teams.

Hopefully he says how much he loves the Lakers and Wolves too. :-P

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6/24/2015  6:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2015  7:56 PM
Right now I just want to stay at 4 and take the consensus BPA which is Porzingis Hezonja Kaminsky Russell or Okafor. The Knicks are just a scary organization that has ties to an outside agency which feeds its basketball players---CAA. If we end up with Trey Lyles and a hurt player Im going to gag. Im already sick as fck sitting in Italy right now in a hotel and I have to hear this potential sht?????
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6/24/2015  7:48 PM
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earthmansurfer wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.

I'm sorry I just can't see it. He can shoot, he can move decent for his size... but I don't think he is gonna put on enough weight in the NBA and best case scenario a better shooting Bargnani with an okay post up game against smaller guys... but not worth the 4th pick. Definitely not a Dirk Nowitzki.

I question what you see as he is THE BEST ATHLETE at his size coming out of this draft. The guy is a freak athlete and you say he moves decent He just doesn't shoot, he is a great shooter. So you have an freak athlete (with good footwork) that can put the ball on the floor and shoot it from deep. (I'm not sure about his game in close) Oh, and he shot blocker and defend.

The NBA has changed and tall thin players can still excel if they have skills. They don't need to be bulky and play down low - that is (mostly) a past way of playing for centers.

Should we draft him though, we will need a more traditional center in the paint (until he fills out.)

He is a top 5 to top 10 pick for sure.

I have a problem with taking a player at 4 who won't contribute from day 1.

It is a high pick in a deep draft.

IMHO - whoever we pick at 4 needs to contribute day 1. If they don't, its a failure.


That's the exception, not the rule. The 4th overall pick has usually required at least a year to become a real contributor on a contending team. Chris Paul is one of the few exceptions, but the guys picked here usually don't turn things around in their first season.
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6/24/2015  7:57 PM
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fishmike wrote:Porzingis would be a nice piece moving forward. Anyone who thinks this is another euro stiff looking to collect NBA dollars hasnt done an ounce of research. He comes from a hoops family. He loves the game. He's a gym rat. You know what he said excited him about the NBA? The option to workout at anytime.
He's also not that skinny. Tay Prince was skinny. Pozingis is long. He's not weak.

The other thing is he did a private workout for the Knicks, and although he had cramps and wasnt able to finish the whole sequence, he did finish the athletic part, so if the Knicks take him they know exactly what kind of athlete he is.

I don't think anybody accused any euro players of being lazy or stiffs. The truth is most euro players(who are very talented) who are taken high don't end up working out. Im not saying Porzingis will be bad but IMO its more risky than some of the others like mudiay or winslow

Really concerned about Mudiay at the 4th pick. 10 games is a really small sample size. Winslow is a good player but his upside is nowhere near that of KP. Phil should pull the trigger and take this guy. I wonder if Melo was in the gym for this workout. Strange that we're not getting any feedback on that workout.

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6/24/2015  8:15 PM
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nixluva wrote:NY would eat this kid alive. Let's just be honest. This city does not have the patience and never has had the patience to wait 2 to 3 years for this kid to develop. He'll have all kinds of pressure to perform being a 1st rd pick. He would be ruined by the pressure here. It's too much to ask IMO. I went back and looked at his workout video and he is so skinny. He's not ready now and who knows how long it will take for him to be ready.

I want him but I agree with this too. Especially after what we dealt with with Bargnani

Bargnani comparisons are misplaced. When Bargs was healthy, he made a positive contribution at the offensive end. True, his help defense could have been better, but his man to man effort was adequate. I believe that he will be on the roster this upcoming season. With KP helping as a weakside defender, there will be a significant improvement in our defensive and offensive output.

Our starting five:

Melo
KP
Shved
Bargs
PG?

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6/24/2015  9:40 PM
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TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:NY would eat this kid alive. Let's just be honest. This city does not have the patience and never has had the patience to wait 2 to 3 years for this kid to develop. He'll have all kinds of pressure to perform being a 1st rd pick. He would be ruined by the pressure here. It's too much to ask IMO. I went back and looked at his workout video and he is so skinny. He's not ready now and who knows how long it will take for him to be ready.

I want him but I agree with this too. Especially after what we dealt with with Bargnani

Bargnani comparisons are misplaced. When Bargs was healthy, he made a positive contribution at the offensive end. True, his help defense could have been better, but his man to man effort was adequate. I believe that he will be on the roster this upcoming season. With KP helping as a weakside defender, there will be a significant improvement in our defensive and offensive output.

Our starting five:

Melo
KP
Shved
Bargs
PG?

no offense but that might be the worst defensive starting 5 ever
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6/25/2015  8:39 AM
Briggs could you think of any trade that would get us Kaminsky, a First rounder for next year and if we are lucky a 2nd rounder for this year?
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6/25/2015  9:03 AM
i heard Dan Dakick on Russillo show yesterday, he said Porzingas sucks and one of the reasons is because has has "soft eyes" ... and from the look of his eyes he can tell he won't be any good. for real. he said it.
If any Knick fans go to the draft and we take Porzingis at 4

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