mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

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holfresh wrote:Cousins is the best center in the NBA..

wins don't count? I thought that you judged kevin Love on the Minny records.

Wins absolutely counts..But look at the teams around KLove versus Cousins...Kevin Martin, Corey Brewer, Rubio, Pekovic, Barea....It's been Cousins and Tyreke Evans for years..

ah ... so love had a good team around him in minny. Those guys you mentioned are really great. and the team did pretty awesome without him.

again, a terribly inconsistent double standard.

Do you think Love is a better player than Cousins?

I did not make that claim.

I didn't say you made that claim...Who is better???? and Who is the best Center in the NBA?

Cousins is far more talented but being that he is such a tool, I would take Love over him. Also, Love is more efficient. Cousins takes way too many bad shots.

Both are very good rebounders and passers.

Cousins is the better defender.

Cousins is really hard to figure out because he has a JR head (which you seem to really dig)

The best center in the league is M Gasol.

OK..

way to man up and tell me what you think and why.

I told you that Cousins was the best center in the league..You conceded that Cousins is better than Love but you would take Love anyway..Not much else to discuss...I could say that Cousins grabs 5 more rebounds a game and that Gasol's 7.8 rebs per game is close to Melo's output...But I don't think you care who the better player is...

I said Cousins is the better talent.

Cousins is at 12.4 rebounds per 36 vs. Love at 12.9 per 36 but carry on ...

compare their stats if you really care

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=couside01&p2=loveke01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

What is this a joke??.Your link is for numbers from 2009 and 2011...How about last year where Cousins had 12.7 rebs per 34 mins and Love had 9.7 per 34 mins...He is a much better defender as well..No only the better talent but much better stats..But some how it doesn't translate to a better player??

those stats are for their careers. Why just look at last season when Love obviously had a dip playing with lebron?

I conceded the better defender.

what career stats are you looking at that you say much better stats (for cousins)? To me, it looked like Love was better at almost everything.

Well defense is kind of an important thing..I want to see where these player are now in their careers..But as u say, Love numbers took a hit in Cleveland..I can't believe that I have a back and forth of Love versus Cousins..Who is better...

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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yellowboy90 wrote:

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franco12 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks if the lakers are offering pick 2 for Cousins, the kings should take it without thinking too hard?

Cousins just seems like a malcontent prima donna.

Give me Okafor or Russel and a reset on my cap and I think I'd be happy!

Agreed besides the attitude issues, I'm not even sure Cousins has that big an impact on the W-L column. (The advanced stats are all over the place for him.) I'd rather have Okafor for a quarter the price.

This is not about Cousins it's about Karl. Also, I thought the Kings looked good last year and won games when he was playing.

Would you take Cousins for the #4 pick? Rookie contracts are great in all but Derrick Williams, Thomas Robinson, and Anthony bennents are always there.

Cousins is actually on a great contract as the cap explodes

It's a tough call but I'd rather have Winslow and Monroe.

Melo and Cousins equals contenders..

So Cousins would add 40 wins?

So Can a team of Melo and Cousins win 57 games in the East..Yes...

Well we're very far off in our assessments. I think this team slightly underachieved last year and if you put the same roster out there, it would win about 23. But if you have a healthy Melo - I'd kick it up to 31. Add Cousins and I'll say 38.

Well Melo, Cousins, Shump and JR with Woodson can win 57 games...With Fisher, no...

Shump and JR instead of $9 mil in cap space? I'll call that a wash and stick with 38. Fire Fisher and replace him with an average coach? I'll say roughly 38 still.

Problem with such a deal is that we don't have any supporting role players...I think we are further away from regrouping as an organization than people think...It took us about two years after Melo arrived to land a talent like JR..I think an average coach with his own control will be better than our current situation with Fisher..

Different Cap situation. When you are above the tax all you can do is scrape the bottom of the barrel. Next year the will have the room to fill out the team.

True but replacing that talent will cost more...JR's talent wont cost us 6 mil per but 10 mil per..Same for Shump..And that's if these FAs want to give Phil and his triangle a go...

I disagree. They have talent but Shump's is easily replace and I think I could replace Jr's by making a trade with Minny for Kevin Martin. Even if that trade is not possible I'm okay with not having JR. Also, if JR would have had a second half like he did in CLe he would have opt out looking for a raise anyway.

Well let's see it happen...It's not that easy..KMartin is cheap and Minny have zero reason to trade him...I remember praying that Baron Davis could get healthy just to have another body..We were over the cap then..But we will see...

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mreinman wrote:

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mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

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mreinman wrote:

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mreinman wrote:

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mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Cousins is the best center in the NBA..

wins don't count? I thought that you judged kevin Love on the Minny records.

Wins absolutely counts..But look at the teams around KLove versus Cousins...Kevin Martin, Corey Brewer, Rubio, Pekovic, Barea....It's been Cousins and Tyreke Evans for years..

ah ... so love had a good team around him in minny. Those guys you mentioned are really great. and the team did pretty awesome without him.

again, a terribly inconsistent double standard.

Do you think Love is a better player than Cousins?

I did not make that claim.

I didn't say you made that claim...Who is better???? and Who is the best Center in the NBA?

Cousins is far more talented but being that he is such a tool, I would take Love over him. Also, Love is more efficient. Cousins takes way too many bad shots.

Both are very good rebounders and passers.

Cousins is the better defender.

Cousins is really hard to figure out because he has a JR head (which you seem to really dig)

The best center in the league is M Gasol.

OK..

way to man up and tell me what you think and why.

I told you that Cousins was the best center in the league..You conceded that Cousins is better than Love but you would take Love anyway..Not much else to discuss...I could say that Cousins grabs 5 more rebounds a game and that Gasol's 7.8 rebs per game is close to Melo's output...But I don't think you care who the better player is...

I said Cousins is the better talent.

Cousins is at 12.4 rebounds per 36 vs. Love at 12.9 per 36 but carry on ...

compare their stats if you really care

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=couside01&p2=loveke01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

What is this a joke??.Your link is for numbers from 2009 and 2011...How about last year where Cousins had 12.7 rebs per 34 mins and Love had 9.7 per 34 mins...He is a much better defender as well..No only the better talent but much better stats..But some how it doesn't translate to a better player??

those stats are for their careers. Why just look at last season when Love obviously had a dip playing with lebron?

I conceded the better defender.

what career stats are you looking at that you say much better stats (for cousins)? To me, it looked like Love was better at almost everything.

Well defense is kind of an important thing..I want to see where these player are now in their careers..But as u say, Love numbers took a hit in Cleveland..I can't believe that I have a back and forth of Love versus Cousins..Who is better...

typical. make stat claims, get proven wrong, make ad hominem statement, run

I said that I would personally take Love because of Cousins effed up head. Obviously if Cousins was not such a tool, he could be a great player.

And if you think that he is better than Gasol (as you have clearly stated) you are completely bonkers.

Uptown wrote:Cant see Cousins and Karl co-existing next year. Something will have to give. I thought the Kings made a major mistake firing Malone so prematurely. Lastly, the media for the most part will probably side with Karl and kill Cousins for his pass transgressions, but Karl has alienated many players as a coach....Was never a fan of his...

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks if the lakers are offering pick 2 for Cousins, the kings should take it without thinking too hard?

Cousins just seems like a malcontent prima donna.

Give me Okafor or Russel and a reset on my cap and I think I'd be happy!

Agreed besides the attitude issues, I'm not even sure Cousins has that big an impact on the W-L column. (The advanced stats are all over the place for him.) I'd rather have Okafor for a quarter the price.

This is not about Cousins it's about Karl. Also, I thought the Kings looked good last year and won games when he was playing.

Would you take Cousins for the #4 pick? Rookie contracts are great in all but Derrick Williams, Thomas Robinson, and Anthony bennents are always there.

Cousins is actually on a great contract as the cap explodes

It's a tough call but I'd rather have Winslow and Monroe.

Melo and Cousins equals contenders..

So Cousins would add 40 wins?

So Can a team of Melo and Cousins win 57 games in the East..Yes...

Well we're very far off in our assessments. I think this team slightly underachieved last year and if you put the same roster out there, it would win about 23. But if you have a healthy Melo - I'd kick it up to 31. Add Cousins and I'll say 38.

Well, I think the point is that it will not be the same roster. With Cousins you have around 18m plus the room exception left to add pieces this summer. They could try to build core around them with that money or add another max piece then look to summer 16 to add the others.

holfresh wrote:Rondo and Kings have a mutual interest on a one year deal..Should be fun..

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holfresh wrote:Rondo and Kings have a mutual interest on a one year deal..Should be fun..

I would love for Rondo and Cousins to be on the Kings with Karl.

What a disaster waiting to happen..Maybe Karl thinks he can use Rondo to dislodge Cousins from those in management who wants him to stay..

CrushAlot wrote:A kings blog calling for a buyout of Karl's contact.
http://aroyalpain.com/2015/06/23/demarcus-cousins-dethroned-how-george-karl-has-come-perilously-close-to-destroying-the-sacramento-kings/

I hope nothing happens until Rondo parachutes in..We are always the picture of dysfunction, would be nice to look in from a distance for a change..

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:A kings blog calling for a buyout of Karl's contact.
http://aroyalpain.com/2015/06/23/demarcus-cousins-dethroned-how-george-karl-has-come-perilously-close-to-destroying-the-sacramento-kings/

I hope nothing happens until Rondo parachutes in..We are always the picture of dysfunction, would be nice to look in from a distance for a change..

I don't know. A coach trying to recruit another players teammates to push for him to be traded should be canned in my opinion.