CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

tj23 wrote:I'm a huge Mudiay fan but even if we missed out on him I like this deal, dependent on who we take of course.

If we want Mudiay, we just take him with the #4. This is if we're not 100% sure about Mudiay, we trade the pick and hope one of the players we MOST want slips to 6. But I agree, 2 top-ten picks is just the sort of deal we'd want to consider carefully.

Anyone have any idea what player Denver has in mind for the #4 pick?

If they are giving up Lawson it would be Mudiay, unless it is Russell, and then Phil might not deal, but who knows.

I would think Mudiay pushing the pace in Denver could be a major weapon.

Wonder if Phil would do this deal if Russell is still on the board?

nychamp wrote:Swapping #4 for #6 and #7 is an automatic must-do in this draft given that A) 1-3 in this draft appear to be the only clear franchise talent at this point (and we can only wish one of them improbably slips to the 4 slot, and B) the Knicks need so much that getting two top ten picks would be a huge net benefit and a legit jumpstart to the moribund roster. You look to pick up Winslow/Hezonja and Porzingis(won't be there at 6)/Lyles/Stein, assuming Mudiay is off the board, otherwise grab him as your small. Then if Tim Hardaway jr could somehow be traded for a later pick, that would be a grand slam for this draft.

The Pistons are not expecting their lottery pick to become a starter next season but they will keep the pick unless they get a superstar talent, Keith Langlois of Pistons.com reports. Coach and president of basketball operations Stan Van Gundy told the team’s beat reporters on Monday that with ample cap space — approximately $20MM even after the Ersan Ilyasova deal — that he’ll fill the starting small forward vacancy through free agency or a trade, Langlois continues. Tayshaun Prince, the starting small forward during the second half of last season, is an unrestricted free agent. Van Gundy virtually shut the door on reports that the Pistons were shopping the No. 8 overall pick, including one on Monday about a possible deal with the Knicks for guard Tim Hardaway Jr., Langlois adds. “The one thing we are firm on is – minus a superstar being available – we won’t trade out of the draft,” Van Gundy said. “For your salary structure and everything else, it’s too important. It’s probably unlikely that we trade back, but it’s not impossible.”

Winslow/Hezonja would be very intriguing at 6.7.

Don't want Lyles or Stein... but Phil would take Lyles over Stein, IMO.

Winslow/Kaminsky would give you intelligent, high character two-way players who have shown their ability to carry their college teams in big moments.

We're all putting the cart before the horse, of course, but this would be a no brainer deal.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:and as always, berger knows what he's talking about. if the knicks have the opportunity to trade #4 for #6,#7 you HAVE to do it. i would 100% use one of those picks on trey lyles. in my opinion, he is the most underrated player in this draft.

I'm also a T.Lyles fan and think he was a hidden player on that Kentucky team but 6 or 7 is kinda high for him but wouldn't be mad at the pick at all. I actually said a while back that if we could find a way to come out of this draft with Lyles and Payne i'd be ecstatic.

Have not seen enough of Lyles in games to make me a big fan. Lost in the Kentucky "trees," but he never jumped out, although I always hear that scouts like him.

Knixkik wrote:#4 and Hardaway for 6 and 7. Draft the 2 BPA, likely Winslow and WCS. That would be a job well done.

1) Towns
2) Okafor
3) Russell
4) Porzingis
5) Mudiay
6) Hezonja
7) Winslow

Without specific order, these 7 players should be the top 7. After 3, the last 4 are relatively interchangeable, ranking wise. I clearly have a preference for Hezonja, but if you told me I was getting any 2 of the above, I would take those two over any 1 player on this board. Any of the 7 can be taken as high as 3.

This is not a real deal. 6&7? I'd give Melo for 6 and 7. 6 or 7 even.

EwingsGlass wrote:This is not a real deal. 6&7? I'd give Melo for 6 and 7.

While it's nice to imagine making two top ten picks in this draft, I ultimately have to agree with the above.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:4 for 6 and 7??

ugh ... you have to be freakin kidding me?

What's wrong with that? Likely nuggets draft Mudiay at 4, Porzingis goes to Magic at 5, leaving us to pick up Winslow and WCS, or whomever (lyle, Kaminsky, Payne, Looney, Hezonja)

Nothing wrong for the Knicks. Everything wrong for Denver

exactly!

these trade rape scenarios or not even funny anymore, they are pathetic.

All depends if the Kings actually believe Lawson is their guy. Not sure if the following is true, but...

From CBS.com: Though the talks have yet to gain traction, Sacramento and Denver have discussed a deal involving point guard Ty Lawson, league sources say. Kings coach George Karl is desperate to find a starting point guard, and pressure is coming from owner Vivek Ranadive to make the playoffs this season.

Funny thing is that if this is true, all the rumors about Cousins are BS, I would think.

EwingsGlass wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:4 for 6 and 7??

ugh ... you have to be freakin kidding me?

What's wrong with that? Likely nuggets draft Mudiay at 4, Porzingis goes to Magic at 5, leaving us to pick up Winslow and WCS, or whomever (lyle, Kaminsky, Payne, Looney, Hezonja)

Nothing wrong for the Knicks. Everything wrong for Denver

exactly!

these trade rape scenarios or not even funny anymore, they are pathetic.

? Not if you love Mudiay and want to dump about $25.5M in contract over the next two seasons. How is this not a good deal for them if they can get rid of all that money and get their new PG at the same time?

All depends if the Kings actually believe Lawson is their guy. Not sure if the following is true, but...

From CBS.com: Though the talks have yet to gain traction, Sacramento and Denver have discussed a deal involving point guard Ty Lawson, league sources say. Kings coach George Karl is desperate to find a starting point guard, and pressure is coming from owner Vivek Ranadive to make the playoffs this season.

Funny thing is that if this is true, all the rumors about Cousins are BS, I would think.

Its not the Lawson for 6 trade, it's 6&7 for 4 that's the trade rape. IF Russell or OK4 dropped to 4 and Denver wanted it, I could see that. If I were Denver, I'd be willing to dump Lawsons behemoth contract to CLE for Haywood and the 24 pick. But I am not a Tyrannasaurus Lawson fan. I think basketball players should have long arms.

EwingsGlass wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:4 for 6 and 7??

ugh ... you have to be freakin kidding me?

What's wrong with that? Likely nuggets draft Mudiay at 4, Porzingis goes to Magic at 5, leaving us to pick up Winslow and WCS, or whomever (lyle, Kaminsky, Payne, Looney, Hezonja)

Nothing wrong for the Knicks. Everything wrong for Denver

exactly!

these trade rape scenarios or not even funny anymore, they are pathetic.

? Not if you love Mudiay and want to dump about $25.5M in contract over the next two seasons. How is this not a good deal for them if they can get rid of all that money and get their new PG at the same time?

All depends if the Kings actually believe Lawson is their guy. Not sure if the following is true, but...

From CBS.com: Though the talks have yet to gain traction, Sacramento and Denver have discussed a deal involving point guard Ty Lawson, league sources say. Kings coach George Karl is desperate to find a starting point guard, and pressure is coming from owner Vivek Ranadive to make the playoffs this season.

Funny thing is that if this is true, all the rumors about Cousins are BS, I would think.

Its not the Lawson for 6 trade, it's 6&7 for 4 that's the trade rape. IF Russell or OK4 dropped to 4 and Denver wanted it, I could see that. If I were Denver, I'd be willing to dump Lawsons behemoth contract to CLE for Haywood and the 24 pick. But I am not a Tyrannasaurus Lawson fan. I think basketball players should have long arms.

I was assuming that we only make this trade if Russell is off the board, but who knows.

EwingsGlass wrote:
I only think this trade is available if Russell is on the board. I draft Russell and let them come to me... If Hezonja is there at 6, I do that trade all day and build an empire around Hezonja and Winslow...

Still, I think this is the land of make believe.

Anthony might have a heart attack trying to keep up with those two if they were in a lineup with him.

Not sure Phil could deal with Hezonja's game-at least the way he plays now-He'd love Winslow, though.