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6/18/2015  3:24 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..
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6/18/2015  3:30 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.
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6/18/2015  3:39 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..
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6/18/2015  4:55 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

This post was LAME. You didn't address my question. You just trotted out the cliche knock against me that others use when they have nothing more substantive to say. Jose skills wise was fine but he was injured and the plan going into this season changed so it's not that Jose was wrong as much as the circumstances have changed. You still haven't addressed this nonsense you posted suggesting that Phil and his staff are somehow unprepared for this draft. Perhaps you should check out my Draft Workout Thread cuz there's a lot of info on all the players the Knicks have looked at and i'm sure we missed some.
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6/18/2015  5:16 PM
Lats time we missed on someone with this type of length reach and reach his name was Rudy Gobert

At 20 years old a whole year older than Kristaps he avg 8 points 5 rebounds 1.7 blocks


The same guy took the pick of Hardaway Warentein and hes going to miss an even better prospect who is just as long Kristaps--this will be the most monumental miss. I guarantee WCS will BE NOTHING more than a solid 5 man and we will miss out on anther couple of super stars.

RIP Crushalot😞
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6/18/2015  5:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

Your looking for results where many of us are looking for a change in thinking. Your bashing him for an insignficant trade. Yes, that trade was garbage and it was never going to yield anyting in return but garbage. There was a price to dump Felton and get a 2nd round pick. WE also go to look at Larkin.

PHil has cleaned house. You want results? This cleansing is more important than our 54 win season which was build on the backs of old men.
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6/18/2015  6:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

This post was LAME. You didn't address my question. You just trotted out the cliche knock against me that others use when they have nothing more substantive to say. Jose skills wise was fine but he was injured and the plan going into this season changed so it's not that Jose was wrong as much as the circumstances have changed. You still haven't addressed this nonsense you posted suggesting that Phil and his staff are somehow unprepared for this draft. Perhaps you should check out my Draft Workout Thread cuz there's a lot of info on all the players the Knicks have looked at and i'm sure we missed some.

Secret Russell workout was completely unreported.

Might be other secret workouts and contact with players.

It's clear to me that we are looking at as many players as possible, and maybe more than we are told of.

At the time I write this, the poster you are responding to had no comment in the Russell secret workout thread...wonder if he willing to give Phil a bit of credit for that decision.

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6/18/2015  6:31 PM
I don't base any of my opinions off workouts. That's the same thing as people going crazy over combine numbers.
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6/18/2015  6:56 PM
tj23 wrote:I don't base any of my opinions off workouts. That's the same thing as people going crazy over combine numbers.

Yeah. Prozingis is pretty well known and was well scouted this past year and the previous year when it appeared that he was entering the draft. He has always been very talented but his workout created more of a buzz about him.
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6/18/2015  6:57 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

As this Finals demonstrated, Smith and Shumpert are expendable talents. They can swing a game or two but will never mean much toward winning a series. And once they are re-signed to exorbitant contracts, I'm sure they'll be considered net negative assets in no time. We sent the Cavs a Trojan Horse and I for one, think it is the only good deal Phil has made.
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6/18/2015  6:58 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

This post was LAME. You didn't address my question. You just trotted out the cliche knock against me that others use when they have nothing more substantive to say. Jose skills wise was fine but he was injured and the plan going into this season changed so it's not that Jose was wrong as much as the circumstances have changed. You still haven't addressed this nonsense you posted suggesting that Phil and his staff are somehow unprepared for this draft. Perhaps you should check out my Draft Workout Thread cuz there's a lot of info on all the players the Knicks have looked at and i'm sure we missed some.

Jose is 34. Injured or not, his days as a rotation player are pretty much over.
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6/18/2015  7:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2015  7:40 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

As this Finals demonstrated, Smith and Shumpert are expendable talents. They can swing a game or two but will never mean much toward winning a series. And once they are re-signed to exorbitant contracts, I'm sure they'll be considered net negative assets in no time. We sent the Cavs a Trojan Horse and I for one, think it is the only good deal Phil has made.


You are wrong dude..U completely misunderstand what they are as players..They are role players..They are the supporting cast that allow the stars to step up and win games for you...They may win one or two games for u...That is exactly what you want...Miami didn't have a supporting cast the first year with Bron..That's what guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen does for u..Help and support..If you are looking for them to win a series for u then u don't understand what you are looking at...

P.S..And you are right, they might be expendable...But it will cost us a fortune to replace..
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6/18/2015  7:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2015  7:34 PM
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

Your looking for results where many of us are looking for a change in thinking. Your bashing him for an insignficant trade. Yes, that trade was garbage and it was never going to yield anyting in return but garbage. There was a price to dump Felton and get a 2nd round pick. WE also go to look at Larkin.

PHil has cleaned house. You want results? This cleansing is more important than our 54 win season which was build on the backs of old men.

Change of thinking is deep...I'm not that kind of believer...One has to make it about the coach and the team..Develop a process that survives you..The coach needs to be empowered and be allowed to lead the team in his vision..A wise GM and all time coaching great can offer guidance and fine tune the process...The players needs to see that leadership in a coaching staff that has skin in the game and the process...That's not happening here..Right now it's about the GM and his system..So I'll take a few wins for now before it all goes to hell...
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6/18/2015  7:53 PM
crzymdups wrote:
However, a league source insists the Sixers taking Porzingis over Russell is a reach and they are after the best available player regardless of position.

“If you’re basing taking him because of last week’s workout, you should be fired,’’ the league source said.


Just thought this was an interesting quote because we all pay such close attention to workouts (myself included).


Front offices may not necessarily do this as much. Plenty of guys have been burned by guys who show well in workouts before.

I didn't see a link to the quote so I thought, who would post a quote from a 'league source'? It was Berman again. Nothing to see here.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/knicks-hold-stealth-workout-for-dangelo-russell-will-sixers-pass/
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6/18/2015  7:55 PM
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

As this Finals demonstrated, Smith and Shumpert are expendable talents. They can swing a game or two but will never mean much toward winning a series. And once they are re-signed to exorbitant contracts, I'm sure they'll be considered net negative assets in no time. We sent the Cavs a Trojan Horse and I for one, think it is the only good deal Phil has made.


You are wrong dude..U completely misunderstand what they are as players..They are role players..They are the supporting cast that allow the stars to step up and win games for you...They may win one or two games for u...That is exactly what you want...Miami didn't have a supporting cast the first year with Bron..That's what guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen does for u..Help and support..If you are looking for them to win a series for u then u don't understand what you are looking at...

P.S..And you are right, they might be expendable...But it will cost us a fortune to replace..

Role players are by definition, expendable. It is exactly why Trevor Ariza could've easily been replaced by Ron Artest on the 2009 Lakers for a fraction of the price and the team not skip a beat. It is exactly why the Rockets in 2014 were able to replace Chandler Parsons with Ariza and improve. Shumpert and Smith are in the same vein as the players I mentioned, although I'd argue that they are of a lower tier. At the end of the day, the Cavs can readily replace them and win without them.
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6/18/2015  7:59 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
However, a league source insists the Sixers taking Porzingis over Russell is a reach and they are after the best available player regardless of position.

“If you’re basing taking him because of last week’s workout, you should be fired,’’ the league source said.


Just thought this was an interesting quote because we all pay such close attention to workouts (myself included).


Front offices may not necessarily do this as much. Plenty of guys have been burned by guys who show well in workouts before.

I didn't see a link to the quote so I thought, who would post a quote from a 'league source'? It was Berman again. Nothing to see here.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/knicks-hold-stealth-workout-for-dangelo-russell-will-sixers-pass/
Just to clarify, it was a
a league source
not a league executive.
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6/18/2015  8:03 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

As this Finals demonstrated, Smith and Shumpert are expendable talents. They can swing a game or two but will never mean much toward winning a series. And once they are re-signed to exorbitant contracts, I'm sure they'll be considered net negative assets in no time. We sent the Cavs a Trojan Horse and I for one, think it is the only good deal Phil has made.


You are wrong dude..U completely misunderstand what they are as players..They are role players..They are the supporting cast that allow the stars to step up and win games for you...They may win one or two games for u...That is exactly what you want...Miami didn't have a supporting cast the first year with Bron..That's what guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen does for u..Help and support..If you are looking for them to win a series for u then u don't understand what you are looking at...

P.S..And you are right, they might be expendable...But it will cost us a fortune to replace..

Role players are by definition, expendable. It is exactly why Trevor Ariza could've easily been replaced by Ron Artest on the 2009 Lakers for a fraction of the price and the team not skip a beat. It is exactly why the Rockets in 2014 were able to replace Chandler Parsons with Ariza and improve. Shumpert and Smith are in the same vein as the players I mentioned, although I'd argue that they are of a lower tier. At the end of the day, the Cavs can readily replace them and win without them.

Two guys mentioned...Shane Battier and Ray Allen- If they were in the shape they were in when they helped James in Miami, and if you had them on the Cavs instead of Smith and Shumpert, Cleveland would have at least reached game seven, and might have won.

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6/18/2015  8:51 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

As this Finals demonstrated, Smith and Shumpert are expendable talents. They can swing a game or two but will never mean much toward winning a series. And once they are re-signed to exorbitant contracts, I'm sure they'll be considered net negative assets in no time. We sent the Cavs a Trojan Horse and I for one, think it is the only good deal Phil has made.


You are wrong dude..U completely misunderstand what they are as players..They are role players..They are the supporting cast that allow the stars to step up and win games for you...They may win one or two games for u...That is exactly what you want...Miami didn't have a supporting cast the first year with Bron..That's what guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen does for u..Help and support..If you are looking for them to win a series for u then u don't understand what you are looking at...

P.S..And you are right, they might be expendable...But it will cost us a fortune to replace..

Role players are by definition, expendable. It is exactly why Trevor Ariza could've easily been replaced by Ron Artest on the 2009 Lakers for a fraction of the price and the team not skip a beat. It is exactly why the Rockets in 2014 were able to replace Chandler Parsons with Ariza and improve. Shumpert and Smith are in the same vein as the players I mentioned, although I'd argue that they are of a lower tier. At the end of the day, the Cavs can readily replace them and win without them.

Two guys mentioned...Shane Battier and Ray Allen- If they were in the shape they were in when they helped James in Miami, and if you had them on the Cavs instead of Smith and Shumpert, Cleveland would have at least reached game seven, and might have won.

I doubt it but it doesn't change the underlying point that role players are expendable and interchangeable.
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6/18/2015  9:41 PM
^^^^Have to disagree about Battier and Allen versus JR and Shump. Battier and Allen are guys known for having tremendous character, have experienced tremendous team success and were known for coming up big in big moments. They reached or surpassed their potential as players and teammates. Shump and JR are not fulfilling their projected potential (actually Shump is the exact player that was supposed to be a second round pick coming out of college before individual workouts) and are role players that don't come up big in big moments.
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6/18/2015  10:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2015  10:13 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil had 7 Knick front office types out to see KP in Vegas...I am so scared...

because they are doing their due diligence?


Nothing I have seen so far has made me think Phil has done his due diligence...

and what have you seen?

Same things you have seen that doesn't inspire confidence..


What are you talking about? Dude you couldn't be more wrong on this. You're going to have to make some kind of case for how you know Phil and his staff haven't done their due diligence! You sound like you just have a bias and not basing your opinion on any facts or evidence.

He traded for Calderon then tried to trade him months later??..What changed after he professed Caldron fits what he was trying to do..He traded JR and Shump to an Eastern Conference team strengthening the Cavs..We may face them if we do get our act toghther..I don't expect you to see things as they are..Everything comes up smelling like roses unless your name is Woodson..

As this Finals demonstrated, Smith and Shumpert are expendable talents. They can swing a game or two but will never mean much toward winning a series. And once they are re-signed to exorbitant contracts, I'm sure they'll be considered net negative assets in no time. We sent the Cavs a Trojan Horse and I for one, think it is the only good deal Phil has made.


You are wrong dude..U completely misunderstand what they are as players..They are role players..They are the supporting cast that allow the stars to step up and win games for you...They may win one or two games for u...That is exactly what you want...Miami didn't have a supporting cast the first year with Bron..That's what guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen does for u..Help and support..If you are looking for them to win a series for u then u don't understand what you are looking at...

P.S..And you are right, they might be expendable...But it will cost us a fortune to replace..

Role players are by definition, expendable. It is exactly why Trevor Ariza could've easily been replaced by Ron Artest on the 2009 Lakers for a fraction of the price and the team not skip a beat. It is exactly why the Rockets in 2014 were able to replace Chandler Parsons with Ariza and improve. Shumpert and Smith are in the same vein as the players I mentioned, although I'd argue that they are of a lower tier. At the end of the day, the Cavs can readily replace them and win without them.


I think you are making it a bit too trivial in terms of how expendable these types player are...Rockets improved because of Harden's overall improvement, yet they still didn't have the pieces to make it to the Finals..LA Clippers are looking for some of those easily replaceable players to get to the next level..They just traded for Stevenson...Washington was not able to replace what Ariza gave them and they took a step back..OKC could use a guy..Grizzlies could use a guy or two...

The Cavs were a .500 team before the gift..Cavs are screwed, they have to pay LeBron Tristan, and Kyre next year on new deals..They have no space to replace JR and Shump if they walk...They have to pay JR and/or Shump...If you are over the cap, like most contenders are, they aren't as easily replaceable...And let's see the Knicks replace JR and Shump on the cheap..Lou Williams who shot 19% from the three last playoffs will cost at least 9m per when the bidding starts...
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