WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Wrong... because I would rather build my team with Langston Galloway at SG than JR Smith. JR Smith is like a good drug habit. Makes you feel good, everything looks nice, but there is no substance there and finally everything will come crashing down and anything gained by having him will be yanked away in painful fashion.

Bitch and moan about Shumpert if you want. We could have sold high. Phil wanted to look at him apparently and eventually he was the price for moving JR. That being said we werent keeping Shump either. What are you resigning Shump for?

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JR's shooting in the finals.

Shump? He played good defense in the playoffs. We all knew he could do that. He also shot 36%. We all knew he could do that also. Expensive role players.

Whats JR's excuse this time? He was hurt again? He wasnt partying too hard because everyone does it? The guy is total trash and regardless of our record we are much much better off having him off the roster. See ya.

You have your blinders on as usual...Dude is not a max player but you want him to act like one...He is a role player who is effective with the right pieces in place..He isn't a one on one demon which the Cavs are currently running..He is better in a drive and kick environment..But are Knicks better..We will see...Galloway, the D league savior...

No.. I want him to be consistent. If he played like a role player fine, but he doesnt. He's a guy who will take 20+ shots a game if you let him. He will take 30 shots a game if you let him.

No, I KNOW he's a role player. Do you see me trashing Shump? No, because he's a role player. He defends and takes the shots that come to him. Usually he misses them, but he gets hot now and then. Asking Shump to step up and score 15+ a game isnt fair. Your 100% right about that. JR? He thinks he's a max guy. He thinks every shot is a good shot. He's a bad player, and he shot the Knicks right out of the postseason and he shot the Cavs right out of the finals.... but yea... blinders.

Sorry.. Galloway is a better player, and yes the Knicks are better with Galloway and without JR. Galloway knows his role. JR 100% believes he should be getting 20 shots a game.

That's the point if he was consistent he would be an all star...I would love to see Galloway help take a team to the Finals and win sixth man of the year...It would be great for us..But not likely..

Who do you think Kerr would prefer to have on GS if he had to choose...Smith or Galloway?

Who do you think Pops would want on SA...Smith or Galloway?

Perhaps the real question, though, is that, based on his comments after the game, who would James would want on the Cavs next year if he could choose from the two?

Why do you think GS, SA and Bron know who Galloway is?...JR would be great on SA..

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Now Lebron knows why we gave him JR for practically nothing. Dude shows up for a few games and then when you need him most he lets you down. This is not like it's the only time he's done this in the post season. You just can't depend on JR. He's like a mirage in the desert. You're dying of thirst and it looks so appealing that you expend all your energy to make to the Oasis and it just fades away. All you get with JR is a mouth fool of sand.

phil still did a bad job on that trade. Needed to get more

He wanted cap space and picks. I think he was resigned to the tank at that point. The only thing that should have been done was ,owing Shump the previous year at the deadline.

Cap space doesn't make sense because you going to have to pay twice as much to replace the talent..Shved might command 5 mil per and he isn't close to any of those type of players...

Shved played as well here as JR has. Obviously the sampe size is very small.

JR is fools gold. 100% yes he can win you more games and has great talent, and 100% yes that when you start to rely on it will hurt you the most.

Its not even consistency.. its desire. Shump isnt consistent. His shot comes and goes. He always plays D (when he's not hurt). Shump's problem is he's not consistent. JR's problem is he lacks desire, and that lack of desire causes the loss of focus. Im pretty sure if JR put in the work he could shoot like Curry, but who wants to spend all that time in the gym when there is good splif to be smoked and good tang to be chased??? Cmon bro! Keep it real

JR is a catch and shoot player...When LeBron got tired and couldn't attack the paint with frequency after game 3 then JR because less effective..U have to run plays to get JR involved..Della was going one on one from the top of the key in game 5 after the press clippings...Della became the second option..

Who you think smoke more spliff in their careers, JR or PHil??..But when Phil does it, it's Zen...

Simple question.. does JR see himself as a catch and shoot player?

No. He's a star. And that sir is why he hurts your team. Glad he's gone. We needed to move on. We got the best we could have gotten from JR.

Im sure Phil smoked more, but he didnt fail any tests or get suspended did he? Its not doing it, its JR's inability to be responsible.

You want JR on your team? Ill pass

Well I'll take some one who has the ability to take me to the Finals any day...You not only want JR to take you to the Finals but U want him to win it for u...Ok Spanky...

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Wrong... because I would rather build my team with Langston Galloway at SG than JR Smith. JR Smith is like a good drug habit. Makes you feel good, everything looks nice, but there is no substance there and finally everything will come crashing down and anything gained by having him will be yanked away in painful fashion.

Bitch and moan about Shumpert if you want. We could have sold high. Phil wanted to look at him apparently and eventually he was the price for moving JR. That being said we werent keeping Shump either. What are you resigning Shump for?

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JR's shooting in the finals.

Shump? He played good defense in the playoffs. We all knew he could do that. He also shot 36%. We all knew he could do that also. Expensive role players.

Whats JR's excuse this time? He was hurt again? He wasnt partying too hard because everyone does it? The guy is total trash and regardless of our record we are much much better off having him off the roster. See ya.

You have your blinders on as usual...Dude is not a max player but you want him to act like one...He is a role player who is effective with the right pieces in place..He isn't a one on one demon which the Cavs are currently running..He is better in a drive and kick environment..But are Knicks better..We will see...Galloway, the D league savior...

No.. I want him to be consistent. If he played like a role player fine, but he doesnt. He's a guy who will take 20+ shots a game if you let him. He will take 30 shots a game if you let him.

No, I KNOW he's a role player. Do you see me trashing Shump? No, because he's a role player. He defends and takes the shots that come to him. Usually he misses them, but he gets hot now and then. Asking Shump to step up and score 15+ a game isnt fair. Your 100% right about that. JR? He thinks he's a max guy. He thinks every shot is a good shot. He's a bad player, and he shot the Knicks right out of the postseason and he shot the Cavs right out of the finals.... but yea... blinders.

Sorry.. Galloway is a better player, and yes the Knicks are better with Galloway and without JR. Galloway knows his role. JR 100% believes he should be getting 20 shots a game.

That's the point if he was consistent he would be an all star...I would love to see Galloway help take a team to the Finals and win sixth man of the year...It would be great for us..But not likely..

Who do you think Kerr would prefer to have on GS if he had to choose...Smith or Galloway?

Who do you think Pops would want on SA...Smith or Galloway?

Perhaps the real question, though, is that, based on his comments after the game, who would James would want on the Cavs next year if he could choose from the two?

Why do you think GS, SA and Bron know who Galloway is?...JR would be great on SA..

You gotta love Knicks fans who get excited over 4 min videos..Who want to draft such players high or give them long term megga deals after 20 games...I shouldn't be surprised after this board was in uproar when Dolan didn't match Lin's ridiculous contract...

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Wrong... because I would rather build my team with Langston Galloway at SG than JR Smith. JR Smith is like a good drug habit. Makes you feel good, everything looks nice, but there is no substance there and finally everything will come crashing down and anything gained by having him will be yanked away in painful fashion.

Bitch and moan about Shumpert if you want. We could have sold high. Phil wanted to look at him apparently and eventually he was the price for moving JR. That being said we werent keeping Shump either. What are you resigning Shump for?

5-15
5-15
2-12
4-9
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3-13

JR's shooting in the finals.

Shump? He played good defense in the playoffs. We all knew he could do that. He also shot 36%. We all knew he could do that also. Expensive role players.

Whats JR's excuse this time? He was hurt again? He wasnt partying too hard because everyone does it? The guy is total trash and regardless of our record we are much much better off having him off the roster. See ya.

You have your blinders on as usual...Dude is not a max player but you want him to act like one...He is a role player who is effective with the right pieces in place..He isn't a one on one demon which the Cavs are currently running..He is better in a drive and kick environment..But are Knicks better..We will see...Galloway, the D league savior...

No.. I want him to be consistent. If he played like a role player fine, but he doesnt. He's a guy who will take 20+ shots a game if you let him. He will take 30 shots a game if you let him.

No, I KNOW he's a role player. Do you see me trashing Shump? No, because he's a role player. He defends and takes the shots that come to him. Usually he misses them, but he gets hot now and then. Asking Shump to step up and score 15+ a game isnt fair. Your 100% right about that. JR? He thinks he's a max guy. He thinks every shot is a good shot. He's a bad player, and he shot the Knicks right out of the postseason and he shot the Cavs right out of the finals.... but yea... blinders.

Sorry.. Galloway is a better player, and yes the Knicks are better with Galloway and without JR. Galloway knows his role. JR 100% believes he should be getting 20 shots a game.

That's the point if he was consistent he would be an all star...I would love to see Galloway help take a team to the Finals and win sixth man of the year...It would be great for us..But not likely..

Who do you think Kerr would prefer to have on GS if he had to choose...Smith or Galloway?

Who do you think Pops would want on SA...Smith or Galloway?

Perhaps the real question, though, is that, based on his comments after the game, who would James would want on the Cavs next year if he could choose from the two?

Why do you think GS, SA and Bron know who Galloway is?...JR would be great on SA..

You gotta love Knicks fans who get excited over 4 min videos..Who want to give players long term megga deals after 20 games...I should be surprised after this board was in uproar when Dolan didn't match Lin's ridiculous contract...

What video and what long term megga deal???

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^I never said anything about $6M for the Russian.

You mean the Latvian kid, the guy the Lakers asked to work out and has been scouted for over 2 years as he played against grown men? That Euro?

Not much to talk about if you think they only knowledge teams have of him is the video you saw.

By the way, I expect that they saw much more in the workout than the video footage we saw, don't you think?

But the folks who get paid to evaluate talent and get fired if they are wrong too often, see to think he is worth looking at.

Repeating the same mistaken belief, over and over again, ad nauseam, indicating that a 4 minute video is the sum total of evidence that teams have about the guy does not make it true...you do know that, don't you?

I never said that you said Shved should get 6 mil..Nor am I trying to convince you that the Euro kid's value sky rocketed after a 4 min video was posted, That was my observation..These are my personal beliefs..Agreement isn't required..Never is..

Bonn1997 wrote:JR and Iman had terrible Finals but the Cavs would not have even made it to the finals without them.

I think people forget the traded Dion Waiters for them and on top of that received a 1st. Despite what I thin abdout them they are better than Waiters.

Also, Jr was having one of the better playoff performances before the finals while Shump was basically his usual self. Shump is who he is and avg a ridiculous 11% at the rim.

Bonn1997 wrote:JR and Iman had terrible Finals but the Cavs would not have even made it to the finals without them.

Yup, simply impossible to disagree with this, IMO...

though I expect someone might try to do it, anyway.

By Jason Keidel

The NBA Finals had a clear, New York feel. And smell.
If you need to know why LeBron James produced more offense for a team in the championship round than any in league history, just look at his most unsupportive, supporting cast.

Indeed, J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert stunk up the joint. After all the turnovers, terrible shots, and passes toward phantom teammates, you understand why the tandem didn’t make New Yorkers forget about Clyde and Pearl, or even Oakley and Mason.

For instance, Smith played 28 minutes in Game 4, scoring 4 points, while shooting 2-for-12, missing all eight of his 3-point attempts, which is tied for most misses without a make in Finals history. Cleveland was out scored by 28 points while he was on the court. In the Game 6 clincher, Shumpert scored eight points, shooting 1-for-6, with six fouls.

Shumpert and Smith, the hardwood iteration of Beavis and Butthead, shot 37 and 40 percent from the field in these playoffs, respectively, combining for fewer than 20 points per game and 31 total turnovers. They looked a whole lot better while cloaked by a cadre of All-Stars.

Once LeBron could only count on about 19 points from his secondary and tertiary teammates, he was literally on his own, as you saw Tuesday night.

This is everything we came to dislike about these guys. Phil was right to get rid of them.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Great little synopsis of the JR and Shump lack of performance when they were needed most.

By Jason Keidel

The NBA Finals had a clear, New York feel. And smell.
If you need to know why LeBron James produced more offense for a team in the championship round than any in league history, just look at his most unsupportive, supporting cast.

Indeed, J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert stunk up the joint. After all the turnovers, terrible shots, and passes toward phantom teammates, you understand why the tandem didn’t make New Yorkers forget about Clyde and Pearl, or even Oakley and Mason.

For instance, Smith played 28 minutes in Game 4, scoring 4 points, while shooting 2-for-12, missing all eight of his 3-point attempts, which is tied for most misses without a make in Finals history. Cleveland was out scored by 28 points while he was on the court. In the Game 6 clincher, Shumpert scored eight points, shooting 1-for-6, with six fouls.

Shumpert and Smith, the hardwood iteration of Beavis and Butthead, shot 37 and 40 percent from the field in these playoffs, respectively, combining for fewer than 20 points per game and 31 total turnovers. They looked a whole lot better while cloaked by a cadre of All-Stars.

Once LeBron could only count on about 19 points from his secondary and tertiary teammates, he was literally on his own, as you saw Tuesday night.

This is everything we came to dislike about these guys. Phil was right to get rid of them.

JR reportedly is opting out. Shump is a free agent. Do you think Cleveland brings either guy back?

Shump got hurt during a game in the playoffs..The owner went into the locker room with him..I would say yes..