fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil said in April, before the season was over, you don't trade a top 3 pick... four you think about... five you think about a little more. Everything "reported" since then has been some variation of that quote. None of the top teams are putting much out there these days, which is wise.

and the bottom line is this:
Lets say the Knicks are picking from Winslow, WCS, Porzingis, Mario, Frank and Mudiay. Those six guys. If they are able to take one of the two best from that group, I think they walk away with the franchise or all star type Phil hopes.

I think Frank isnt there. Too slow and not athletic or strong enough. I think Winslow is nice but more likely a Caron Butler, Wilson Chandler type. Maybe better than those guys but similar.

With WCS and Mudiay your looking for things they havent shown yet. Workouts will tell.

Porzingis might have the fewest question marks of the whole group. Your asking him to do what he did in EU last year, and you hope his body fills out and matures.

Mario is the Xfactor.

Im 100% confident there will be franchise talent at 4. This franchise hasnt given me much reason to think the Knicks will be the ones to pick that talent, but one can always hope. Sigh...

The real pain in dropping to 4 isnt the players left, its the pick is no longer dummy proof, and the Knicks needs that. Hell, Knick FANS need that... except Nixluva who will assuage any fears of a bust anyone might have

I'm just hoping Russell somehow slips at this point. I agree he's the only dummy proof potential. I hope the Sixers fall in love with Porzingis and we get Russell.

I'm sure I'll talk myself into getting excited for whoever the Knicks pick, but yeah, they have a LOT of room for error at 4 and I don't trust them not to EFF it up. I'd be more comfortable with the idea of trading down if Phil hadn't undersold every single asset he's traded thus far.

At this point my biggest hope is that we somehow trip backwards into Russell.

holfresh wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's pretty sad that your disdain for Melo have allow you to give the front offices a pass in getting pieces around him to win.

Your anti-Melo soliloquy has become boring and old...Some how I know you are smarter than u are pretending..Then again maybe not...

Personally, and observing his posts over time, I find dk7th to be utterly realistic most of the time about where the Knicks actually stand and where they can likely go.

My take is he does have a greater understanding of league trends, team building, the salary cap, practical market forces at work in the league's structure and functionally how NBA teams currently play and how teams can or cannot help themselves to win.

Sad to say it, but anyone with a paced pragmatic view on a true Knicks rebuild here is almost always ridiculed or personally attacked.

Most of the posters here who push for Melo To Contention vibe often posit scenarios relying on other teams being inept to the point of raw blank comedy and trade rape to the degree where Adam Silver would literally need to openly veto some of these proposed deals. Most of them don't seem to truly understand the salary cap, team chemistry, basic defense and the methodology of what current NBA GMs actually value. Worst of all, there are many who could actually learn something if they just shut their big ****ing mouths sometime.

I don't see dk7th and see some wild disdain for Melo. I see a UK member who sees the fundamental flaws that are apparent in Melo as a "franchise" player.

In a game of "who is smarter", no offense, but some of the UK posters don't do a great job of making the comparison hard to see.

Well it seems to make sense that you think dk7 is realistic because you share the same point of view..You both have said Melo is a sixth man..Is that realistic and pragmatic?

there is no shame in coming off the bench, especially if it is strategically advantageous to do so. the statement is not for now with this team this coming season, but in the event that phil can build the team properly, with five defensively adept and eager players. this likely won't happen during melo's tenure here, but if jackson gets lucky, then melo off the bench on a truly contending knicks team is plausible-- but by "contending" i do not mean a flash in the pan empty calorie regular season team like that 54-win team who got annihilated in round 2.