BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Hezonja #1 overall?? We so need this draft to happen already.

I moved him to #2 after thinking about it but no less. I know we are taking Stein so this is all irrelevant but just what I think. Moved up Turner to 6

Despite Phil saying in that interview, when we never got the top 2 pick, he had to change his plans (having assumed we'd draft a big), which meant your prediction that he was talking about WCS weeks ago was wrong.

Phil liked Stein from beginning You think what he said last week is true? Right now Phil is B-sing nearly every time be says anything.

So you want us to believe phil would pick stein over towns..ok4..russell? Because during the season we had the worse record....phil didnt know we were picking 4th.

crzymdups wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Hezonja #1 overall?? We so need this draft to happen already.

I moved him to #2 after thinking about it but no less. I know we are taking Stein so this is all irrelevant but just what I think. Moved up Turner to 6

Despite Phil saying in that interview, when we never got the top 2 pick, he had to change his plans (having assumed we'd draft a big), which meant your prediction that he was talking about WCS weeks ago was wrong.

Phil liked Stein from beginning You think what he said last week is true? Right now Phil is B-sing nearly every time be says anything.

So you want us to believe phil would pick stein over towns..ok4..russell? Because during the season we had the worse record....phil didnt know we were picking 4th.

I think Phil coveted Okafor - go back to Charlie Rosen's line about Okafor having the right size butt for the triangle and Karl Anthony Towns being too light in rear. Charlie Rosen is basically a Phil mouthpiece.

Phil came off so arrogant in the NYT interview. It makes me very worried for his plans for the draft.

I think at this point his ideal would be to get both Stein and Lyles if possible.

Monroe 6'11
stein 7'0
melo 6'9
Lyles 6'10

Who plays SG? Is Lyles off the bench? Thats a lot of height and talent. ...Nice problem to have.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Hezonja #1 overall?? We so need this draft to happen already.

I moved him to #2 after thinking about it but no less. I know we are taking Stein so this is all irrelevant but just what I think. Moved up Turner to 6

Despite Phil saying in that interview, when we never got the top 2 pick, he had to change his plans (having assumed we'd draft a big), which meant your prediction that he was talking about WCS weeks ago was wrong.

Phil liked Stein from beginning You think what he said last week is true? Right now Phil is B-sing nearly every time be says anything.

I have no idea what the heck to expect from Phil's draft. I don't have much faith he'll get it right.

It's been obvious Phil has liked Stein from the very beginning. I'm not even sure he doesn't believe Stein is the bpA in total draft. Pressure would've forced gowns pick. Phil was happy when we got pick 4

I think Phil is kind of arrogant and dumb about this, honestly. I think he honestly thinks he'll get D'Angelo Russell now that he's at 4. Or something. I don't think the Knicks will take Stein at 4. I think they'll try to trade down to 6 or 7 to get him. I think Orlando is locked in on Porzingis at 5 now, meaning Stein would be there at 6 or 7 if say the Kings or Nuggets wanted to trade up to 4 to get Mudiay to play the point.

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, I respect your opinion and I love reading your threads... but man, I think you are fixated on this Stein thing. There's no way Phil would take Stein over Okafor.

I think Phil is kind of arrogant and dumb about this, honestly. I think he honestly thinks he'll get D'Angelo Russell now that he's at 4. Or something. I don't think the Knicks will take Stein at 4. I think they'll try to trade down to 6 or 7 to get him. I think Orlando is locked in on Porzingis at 5 now, meaning Stein would be there at 6 or 7 if say the Kings or Nuggets wanted to trade up to 4 to get Mudiay to play the point.

One thing i like about briggs is that hes not afraid to bring up controversial topics which in turn creates discussion. Its a good way to pass time until draft day. I also respect briggs outlets but would like to here more from insiders. If this is the best long standing knick site then we should have more inside info by now. Unless phils controls that too...we used to have that connection in the past.

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, I respect your opinion and I love reading your threads... but man, I think you are fixated on this Stein thing. There's no way Phil would take Stein over Okafor.

I think Phil is kind of arrogant and dumb about this, honestly. I think he honestly thinks he'll get D'Angelo Russell now that he's at 4. Or something. I don't think the Knicks will take Stein at 4. I think they'll try to trade down to 6 or 7 to get him. I think Orlando is locked in on Porzingis at 5 now, meaning Stein would be there at 6 or 7 if say the Kings or Nuggets wanted to trade up to 4 to get Mudiay to play the point.

I understand where Briggs is coming from. Briggs is fixated on Stein because he's probably been looking at actual game clips of him and is scared shytless that we might take him.

I was just watching the Wisconsin/KU game (entire game is on YouTube) again yesterday, more to look at Kaminsky and Towns, but there were times when you did not even realize Stein was on the floor...and he was. You don't even have to look at the DraftExpress weaknesses vid to see that his basketball instincts are still terrible, for the most part. He has a few things he's been programed to do, and I do believe he can be quite good on certain teams, but his offensive instincts are simply terrible. His touch in the post is terrible in the actual games he's played in, and there are times when he looks like a talented freshman playing in his first few collegiate games.

MDA could live with him, perhaps, but he's a not suitable big in the Triangle because of a lack of consistency, and I consider him to have a low BB IQ based on the games I've watched. He is not a savvy player, not other way to put it.

He will be 22 soon- do any of you who seemingly are in love with him understand that he is one of the oldest guys being considered in the top 10 but in his final season he was still showing the lack of instinct and BB acumen that is more common with a freshman??

If we did trade down, taking him over Kaminsky would be an amazing blunder for a GM who when he was a coach who wanted intelligent two-way players.

Not sure what the Steinboy's fixation is on the guy- maybe they figure that we will have a better chance of a guy getting on a highlight clip because of a pick and roll dunk, but there is no way in hell he would take a player with Stein's limitations at #4.

Jackson should take Porzingis if he's there...if not you might have Winslow, Russell, or OK4 available.

If you saw the Berman article, by the way...interesting theory. Phil talking about OK4 not being there might be rooted in his female companion's role with the Lakers. He might know that they will take OK4, a classic post player. Then it's up to Philly.

From where I am sitting, we are guaranteed to have one of these guys available when we pick: Porzingis, Russell, OK4, and Winslow, and I would be fine with Phil taking any of them at 4 if he considered them the best player available.

Nope 2 things Phil said long ago lead me to KNOW we were taking Stein. Has nothing to do what I may think.Believe this or not my first mock of the year had Stein at 4 dec 29 2014 but his play to me over the year was disappointing and I dumped him. I think Phil thinks he is a hybrid Rodman type or what he called a young Tyson Chandler. All this pick or trade sht for the last 3-4-5 months was meaningless we are taking Stein at 4

BRIGGS wrote:

Nope 2 things Phil said long ago lead me to KNOW we were taking Stein. Has nothing to do what I may think.Believe this or not my first mock of the year had Stein at 4 dec 29 2014 but his play to me over the year was disappointing and I dumped him. I think Phil thinks he is a hybrid Rodman type or what he called a young Tyson Chandler. All this pick or trade sht for the last 3-4-5 months was meaningless we are taking Stein at 4

I'll say there is no way he takes him at #4, Briggs. Can't talk up the Triangle and take a player who has shown the limited in-game BB IQ that Stein has exhibited in his career.

Stein needs the kind of limited role that Calipari gave him, the same role he basically had as he played Robin to 3 Kentucky Batmen- Noel, Randle, and Towns.

Would be stunned if we were to take him at 4. If the big 3 are taken, I would go with Porzingis or Winslow, or trade out and take Winslow or Kaminsky.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Hezonja #1 overall?? We so need this draft to happen already.

I moved him to #2 after thinking about it but no less. I know we are taking Stein so this is all irrelevant but just what I think. Moved up Turner to 6

Despite Phil saying in that interview, when we never got the top 2 pick, he had to change his plans (having assumed we'd draft a big), which meant your prediction that he was talking about WCS weeks ago was wrong.

Phil liked Stein from beginning You think what he said last week is true? Right now Phil is B-sing nearly every time be says anything.

I have no idea what the heck to expect from Phil's draft. I don't have much faith he'll get it right.

Well tell me which players you would consider him getting it wrong if he makes the pick at 4?? I really can't see many players that we've been linked to as being the wrong picks. If Towns, OK4 and Russell are all gone then the two safest picks are WCS and Winslow because you know without a doubt we'll get great defense from both so i consider both to be good and safe picks. I love Porzingis as you all know but he's not a safe pick, Mudiay isn't safe cause of his shooting, so which players would you say are the wrong players to pick at 4?? If he drafted any one of Porzingis, Mudiay, WCS, Winslow i'd be content with any of them because they all have a good chance to be really good players.