technomaster wrote:

holfresh wrote:

technomaster wrote:Shumpert and JR Smith are still inconsistent, unreliable chumps EVEN with the great Lebron. The Cavs team in the finals is now is about equalt in talent to Carmelo's best Knick teams.

Very good assessment on LeBron vs. Melo..But you just defined role players in JR and Shump..If they weren't inconsistent they would be stars...The problem now is what they experienced with the Knicks..They are put in a situation where more is needed...They need to now play like second fiddle players...You will see their warts when this happens...

Shump and JR are great when you look at them as your 4th/5th/6th options on offense. You can forgive JR Smith for a few boneheaded fouls and fouling out when he's not a top option. You can forgive Shumpert when he makes a brilliant defensive play in overtime, then goes for an out of control layup in a one-on-one situation.

But Cleveland's team NOW is better than the 2013-2014 Knicks that got knocked out by the Pacers from a talent perspective - mostly because Melo had his damaged shoulder. It's fascinating to see how even this team resorts to isolations/one-on-5 play just like the Knicks did.

Minimally if they want to save Lebron's energy, have the other guys dribble the ball up and hand it to Lebron at half court. And come on, run some plays.

Crush said they are reporting on CBS radio that Cleveland is using Woodson's offense because they had to...

this guy is 265lbs 6 9", runs faster then most pg's, and is stronger then anyone his size..I get so sick of people comparing LBJ to any great player... when I compare players it's like CP3 Vs stockton or nash, or MJ vs Kobe, guys that played the same position.

Melo is not a passing Point foward, like a mason, pipin, LBJ, he's a traditional FWD the looks to post, shoot jumpers, and occasionally pass. why the hell would i compare him to LBJ who can play like 5 positions

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I guess you don't realize it but Lebron is the greatest player in the world and NO other player in the NBA could do what he's doing. Not Durant, not Duncan, not Curry, not Harden and no not Melo........NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!!!! So to try to find another way to hate on Melo is ridiculous.

Yep, I've never really understood the criticism that Melo is not as good as Lebron. Duh! I get that people think he's selfish and does't try to play defense 70% of the time, but how is him not being as good as the best player or two in the nba a legitimate criticism? It's like saying John Wall isn't as good as Steph Curry, therefore he is trash.

don't worry smack ... you are only the 5th melo defender to miss the point

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I guess you don't realize it but Lebron is the greatest player in the world and NO other player in the NBA could do what he's doing. Not Durant, not Duncan, not Curry, not Harden and no not Melo........NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!!!! So to try to find another way to hate on Melo is ridiculous.

Yep, I've never really understood the criticism that Melo is not as good as Lebron. Duh! I get that people think he's selfish and does't try to play defense 70% of the time, but how is him not being as good as the best player or two in the nba a legitimate criticism? It's like saying John Wall isn't as good as Steph Curry, therefore he is trash.

don't worry smack ... you are only the 5th melo defender to miss the point

Yeah..If you going to score 39 points on 35 shots at least pass the ball..

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I guess you don't realize it but Lebron is the greatest player in the world and NO other player in the NBA could do what he's doing. Not Durant, not Duncan, not Curry, not Harden and no not Melo........NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!!!! So to try to find another way to hate on Melo is ridiculous.

Yep, I've never really understood the criticism that Melo is not as good as Lebron. Duh! I get that people think he's selfish and does't try to play defense 70% of the time, but how is him not being as good as the best player or two in the nba a legitimate criticism? It's like saying John Wall isn't as good as Steph Curry, therefore he is trash.

I think the point of this thread comes down to dollars and cents.
Not a single person in this thread has defended Melo as being as good as Lebron. It is clear he is not.
Therefore, from a Money Ball perspective, it does not make any sense that he should be paid as much as Lebron,
since to compete for a title against a team with Lebron on it, you will need to get other very good/great players
to team up with your Melo/Durants/what-have-you to beat him. From a team building view, the only player that
should be making the max contract of $20+M is Lebron, and everyone should scale down from there.
The problem is that the business of basketball is not only about winning, but
a) putting asses in the seats and jerseys on people's backs,
b) teams are sometimes run by egomaniacs and morons such as Dolan that make decisions that cripple the team for years.

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I guess you don't realize it but Lebron is the greatest player in the world and NO other player in the NBA could do what he's doing. Not Durant, not Duncan, not Curry, not Harden and no not Melo........NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!!!! So to try to find another way to hate on Melo is ridiculous.

Yep, I've never really understood the criticism that Melo is not as good as Lebron. Duh! I get that people think he's selfish and does't try to play defense 70% of the time, but how is him not being as good as the best player or two in the nba a legitimate criticism? It's like saying John Wall isn't as good as Steph Curry, therefore he is trash.

I think the point of this thread comes down to dollars and cents.
Not a single person in this thread has defended Melo as being as good as Lebron. It is clear he is not.
Therefore, from a Money Ball perspective, it does not make any sense that he should be paid as much as Lebron,
since to compete for a title against a team with Lebron on it, you will need to get other very good/great players
to team up with your Melo/Durants/what-have-you to beat him. From a team building view, the only player that
should be making the max contract of $20+M is Lebron, and everyone should scale down from there.
The problem is that the business of basketball is not only about winning, but
a) putting asses in the seats and jerseys on people's backs,
b) teams are sometimes run by egomaniacs and morons such as Dolan that make decisions that cripple the team for years.

yup all true.

there are diff tiers:

1 - Lebron
2 - KD, AD, Curry, Harden, CP3, Paul George
3 - Parker, Blake, K Leonard, Marc Gasol, Klay Thompson
4 - Cousins, Aldridge, Westbrook, Melo, Love, Butler
5 - DJordan, Lilliard, Kyrie etc ...

that is how they deserve to be paid - according to their tier / rank

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:The Chasm between fodder and meaningful conversation around here is measured in equally large units. Great thread

Seriously....What the hell is the point of this thread?!?! That LeBron is better than Melo? No Sh!t!

+1.

yeah no shyt

+1000

if he can't be lebron then its stupid to expect anything at all ...

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:The Chasm between fodder and meaningful conversation around here is measured in equally large units. Great thread

Seriously....What the hell is the point of this thread?!?! That LeBron is better than Melo? No Sh!t!

+1.

yeah no shyt

+1000

if he can't be lebron then its stupid to expect anything at all ...

Seems like a good place to insert a, I don't hate melo but... post.

or a good place to insert a, Melo is paid to be a pure scorer and not to pass ... post LOL

jbeachboy wrote:melo has the ability to be just as good as lebron though

on what planet?

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I guess you don't realize it but Lebron is the greatest player in the world and NO other player in the NBA could do what he's doing. Not Durant, not Duncan, not Curry, not Harden and no not Melo........NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!!!! So to try to find another way to hate on Melo is ridiculous.

Yep, I've never really understood the criticism that Melo is not as good as Lebron. Duh! I get that people think he's selfish and does't try to play defense 70% of the time, but how is him not being as good as the best player or two in the nba a legitimate criticism? It's like saying John Wall isn't as good as Steph Curry, therefore he is trash.

I think the point of this thread comes down to dollars and cents.
Not a single person in this thread has defended Melo as being as good as Lebron. It is clear he is not.
Therefore, from a Money Ball perspective, it does not make any sense that he should be paid as much as Lebron,
since to compete for a title against a team with Lebron on it, you will need to get other very good/great players
to team up with your Melo/Durants/what-have-you to beat him. From a team building view, the only player that
should be making the max contract of $20+M is Lebron, and everyone should scale down from there.
The problem is that the business of basketball is not only about winning, but
a) putting asses in the seats and jerseys on people's backs,
b) teams are sometimes run by egomaniacs and morons such as Dolan that make decisions that cripple the team for years.

So the fact that bron hook up with 2 other all stars doesn't take away from his so called greatness. This dude is one of the best players to play the game, thats as far as it goes..

Yes, LBJ is great. /endthread