newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fascinating thing will be to see what the Sixers will do if the Lakers take D'Angelo Russell. Do the Sixers take Okafor and sell him to the highest bidder? Do they take Porzingis and stash him for a year? I can't see the Sixers taking Mudiay...

I could see Mudiay dropping pretty far - maybe end of the lotto. I bet by the end of the week you will hear Mudiay is going to take workouts with mid lottery teams. He's in severe danger of dropping like a stone if he doesn't work out for enough teams. He can't just workout for the top four teams with what he's showing.

Hahahahaha you message board GM's are hilarious. So off of the small bits seen in a 5 minute workout video Mudiay is now dropping to late lottery or even out of the lottery. The kid needs to work on his shot which was well known way before this video came out and I think we need to take in that his nerves are probably sky high as a 19 year old kid working out for one of the most well-known sports team in all of sports.

I'm not claiming any special knowledge. My opinion has about the same weight as yours. But Draft Express, who actually do attend workouts, have dropped Mudiay to mid lottery - they have him going 6.

I'm just predicting he might fall more and he could really fall on draft day if he doesn't start scheduling workouts outside the top four teams. This has happened before. Danny Granger went from being predicted at 5 to dropping to 17 because teams from 6-16 had worked out other guys and didn't know enough about Granger to select him.

Knicks1969 wrote:No wonder why his agent refuses to expose this kid; he is nothing special if you ask me

Yeah, with the lack of tape on Mundiay, it feels sort of like his agent is hiding him. I still see him as a Tyreke Evans type, but his development is probably well behind Evans at this point because he missed getting drilled at an elite college program.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At the core that was some bad arse shooting--nerves or not. Put him next to Russell and let me see Russell nerves or the probability he hits 80%+= of his shots with no one on him.

WOW did you really just compare Mudiay's shooting to Russells shooting?? Come on now. I understand that you'll argue your points to the very end but come on now. Lol

Im saying if you put Russell into the same setting hes still going to hit 80% of his open shots nerves or not. I just think this is a HUGE skills red flag. You start adding up 57% foul shooting all the TO's he had in CHINA looking at this video and you want him at 4 because we need a bench warmer for two years?

I never said I wanted him at 4 but I did say that if Phil and his team decide to draft him at 4 then I'm gonna trust people that do this for a living over anyone on a message board that the only way they know anything about the kid is from video clips they see on the internet. I wold take any one of Towns, OK4, Russell, WCS, Winslow or Porzingis over him and would even think about Kaminsky or C.Payne over him but won't be mad if he's the pick.

H1AND1 wrote:I've said all along the Knicks need to keep this pick and decide out of the "best of the rest" after OK4, Russell, and Towns who has the highest potential to be a high level contributer on both offense and defense. AKA a star or a legit starter on a rookie deal. It appeared Mudiay, Winslow, and Hezonja were the next tier however it seems like Winslow is the safer pick the more info leaks out about Mudiay. Though you simply cannot go just by one workout video, where there is smoke there is fire (Draftepxress moving Mudiay down to 6 or w/e, this workout with the Lakers where by all accounts he didnt shoot well, etc).

So draft express dropped him 2 spots and people are freaking out. Lol

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:I've said all along the Knicks need to keep this pick and decide out of the "best of the rest" after OK4, Russell, and Towns who has the highest potential to be a high level contributer on both offense and defense. AKA a star or a legit starter on a rookie deal. It appeared Mudiay, Winslow, and Hezonja were the next tier however it seems like Winslow is the safer pick the more info leaks out about Mudiay. Though you simply cannot go just by one workout video, where there is smoke there is fire (Draftepxress moving Mudiay down to 6 or w/e, this workout with the Lakers where by all accounts he didnt shoot well, etc).

So draft express dropped him 2 spots and people are freaking out. Lol

People are freaking out because we saw his shot and it is not NBA caliber at this time.

His shot was very openly acknowledged as a major weakness, long before the Laker work out.

Despite that, he's been pretty consistently listed in the top 4 of the draft leading up to the summer. I'll trust Phil's judgment once we actually work the kid out ourselves. If he's not the pick, so be it.

Whatever happened to our shooting coach that was commanding a lot of attention? Hopla? I'd love to hear his thoughts on Mudiay's potential.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:I've said all along the Knicks need to keep this pick and decide out of the "best of the rest" after OK4, Russell, and Towns who has the highest potential to be a high level contributer on both offense and defense. AKA a star or a legit starter on a rookie deal. It appeared Mudiay, Winslow, and Hezonja were the next tier however it seems like Winslow is the safer pick the more info leaks out about Mudiay. Though you simply cannot go just by one workout video, where there is smoke there is fire (Draftepxress moving Mudiay down to 6 or w/e, this workout with the Lakers where by all accounts he didnt shoot well, etc).

So draft express dropped him 2 spots and people are freaking out. Lol

People are freaking out because we saw his shot and it is not NBA caliber at this time.

BRIGGS wrote:

wargames wrote:I said this somewhere else but looking at Mudiay he might of really benefited from going to a college team and staying until his sophomore or junior year to get that shot mastered before going pro.

Boy this is a disaster of we take him. Some of those Chinese games he was very porous in and that was the worst draft video I have seen by far for whatever that is worth I guess? Right now hes going off HS results and hype from Larry brown. Youre right he easily could be on the Turner Oubre Looney as in Im not nearly ready to compete in the NBA for the next two years mode. Does that jumpshot look like hes ready to help us win in the next two years?
Wait what happens when there is a defender in front of him? And not just the shot--his movements are slow--hes not jump hes not energetic--he needs to develop. Hes more of an 8-13 pick to be honest.

Look at his jumpshots too-those are not even 3's those were long 2's.

I agree- I'm not a fan from what I've seen- much rather have Payne. The problem is we really needed Mudiay to look great in the hope one of the top 3 drafting teams would take him

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Man, compare that dude's jumper to WCS and tell me again Stein can't shoot.

I guess we know the Lakers aren't taking this kid.

I agree with those saying Mudiay set himself back a few years by not going to college.

That was the worst draft video Ive ever seen. I wish I saw differently. I don't know how in the world this could be a glass half full. I think it is clear he is in need of a LOT of developmental time. Those were not even 3's those were to steps in with no none on him and he was WAY off on many shots. Im old and I can still shoot reasonable close to that. I can make 4 out of 10 18 footers.

He's a bad shooter, and he's slow and lacks conditioning- where the heck did all the talk about his elite athleticism come from?!- honestly I would say he is less athletic than Shumpert.

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At the core that was some bad arse shooting--nerves or not. Put him next to Russell and let me see Russell nerves or the probability he hits 80%+= of his shots with no one on him.

WOW did you really just compare Mudiay's shooting to Russells shooting?? Come on now. I understand that you'll argue your points to the very end but come on now. Lol

Im saying if you put Russell into the same setting hes still going to hit 80% of his open shots nerves or not. I just think this is a HUGE skills red flag. You start adding up 57% foul shooting all the TO's he had in CHINA looking at this video and you want him at 4 because we need a bench warmer for two years?

I never said I wanted him at 4 but I did say that if Phil and his team decide to draft him at 4 then I'm gonna trust people that do this for a living over anyone on a message board that the only way they know anything about the kid is from video clips they see on the internet. I wold take any one of Towns, OK4, Russell, WCS, Winslow or Porzingis over him and would even think about Kaminsky or C.Payne over him but won't be mad if he's the pick.

I bet the rest of the players have a no cell phone policy or camera policy in their workout. We will workout for you but no cameras. Lakers failed this kid in a big way and Mudiay's agent did too. There is no way that any of the workout videos should have left that facility.

To hell with that! no cell phone policy? Here is a kid that no one knows anything about who wants to be selected with a top pick, but he also wants privacy? What is this world coming to? If he ain't ready, he does not need to come out

Well he didn't say that and I'm thinking the Russell crew will want the no cameras. Put it this way none of them will want to screw up their slot in the draft. One bad vid and all of a sudden it's you can shoot.

He was fresh out of college as well.

I don't look at these videos and project a kids career. They do change in time.
Some look at oka4's last two games and can predict his trajectory from it.
good for you.